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Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Eric Hansmann
 

No. I have no plans. Attached are a couple pages from a March 1924 NYC freight car diagram book documenting these flat cars. General drawing numbers are listed for a few. Roger Hinman covered these in his NYC steel flat car presentation at one of the recent RPM Chicagoland events.

 

I started modifying a Tichy flat car to follow the NYC cars. I haven’t gotten around to creating the fishbelly sidesill in styrene. Ryan Mendell was selling resin fishbelly side sills at the recent RPM Chicagoland. These are intended to modify the Tichy boom car kits. I picked up a set as they might work for these NYC flat cars. Just need to add more stake pockets.

https://nationalscalecar.com/product/mk103-fish-belly-side-sills-for-tichy-boom-car/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Martin via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

 

Eric do you have plans? 

 

Greg Martin 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Eric Hansmann <eric@...>

Date: 1/13/20 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

 

The sidesills on those flats are slightly different. The sidesills on the GT car are deeper than those on the Rutland car. This also affects the angles of the fishbelly appearance.

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

On January 13, 2020 at 3:09 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

 

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

 

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

 

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

 


--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Greg Martin
 

Eric do you have plans? 

Greg Martin 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Date: 1/13/20 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

The sidesills on those flats are slightly different. The sidesills on the GT car are deeper than those on the Rutland car. This also affects the angles of the fishbelly appearance.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On January 13, 2020 at 3:09 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆



--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

Jason Kliewer
 

Does anyone have any info they could share about these container gondolas?  I'm trying to make a drawing of the containers anf gondolas working off pictures and the ORER dimensions on the gondola series but can seem to get it to look right.

Anyone ever see a shot of the containers out of the car?  Did the gondolas have wood floors?

Lots of questions.

Jason Kliewer
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Dave Parker
 

I think the MW just above the left-hand grab provides a pretty clear clue concerning company service versus interchange.

Whether the paint scheme actually represents a prototype car from "back in the day", I can't say.  The history of the GT and CN in northern New England is fairly convoluted, further muddying the waters.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

mofwcaboose
 

Most likely the car GT 54559 was in company service, like GTW  flat cars in this number series. As was the case with most other railroads, CNR and its associated lines did not list company service equipment in the ORER. The only way to distinguish flat cars in company service from revenue cars was by the number,  as the cars were not otherwise marked.

John C, La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 5:10 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Photos From The Louis Edward Nollau Glass Negative Collection

Bill Welch
 

the L&N gondola is one of 1000 composite gons that closely copied the RR's original 1000 USRA cars. The main difference is there is no flat diagonal straps on the end panels and they had cast sidearm trucks instead of the USRA Andrews trucks. Both obviously easily modeled in HO using the InterMountain kit and in "O" using the ex-IM now Atlas model. The were BCR in color, sort of reddish-brown. The composite construction persisted into the mid-1950's.

Bill Welch


Photos From The Louis Edward Nollau Glass Negative Collection

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos From The Louis Edward Nollau Glass Negative Collection

This collection is archived at the University of Kentucky.

Click on the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Boxcar AGS 10804

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_3/Folder_50_51/0051.jpg

Flat Car Southern 300366

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_3/Folder_66_71/0067.jpg

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_3/Folder_66_71/0068.jpg

Gondola Southern 317130

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_3/Folder_66_71/0069.jpg

Flat Car Southern 300094

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_3/Folder_66_71/0070.jpg

Gondola M&O 13764

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_3/Folder_66_71/0071.jpg

Gondola L&N 73902

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_4/Folder_72_81/0072.jpg

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_4/Folder_72_81/0073.jpg

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_4/Folder_72_81/0074.jpg

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_4/Folder_72_81/0075.jpg

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_4/Folder_72_81/0076.jpg

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_4/Folder_72_81/0077.jpg

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_4/Folder_72_81/0078.jpg

Crane CNO&TP

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/dips/xt7n8p5v9x1t/data/81pa101/Box_3/Folder_55_56/0055.jpg

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Reboxx 36 in. Wheel Chart

Nelson Moyer
 

I had a request to post the Reboxx 36 in. Wheel Application Chart, so here it is.

 

Nelson Moyer


My WWII loads clinic from Prototype Rails 2020, Cocoa Beach

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

I have been asked to post my clinic from Cocoa Beach, Prototype Rails 2020 on WWII era military loads. I have placed it and the associated handout in a Google Drive that is accessible to all. I ask that you honor the intent of this which is exclusively for personal use and not for redistribution. Indeed, please do NOT send the link to these files to anyone outside of this group, but instead refer them to me and I will provide a link.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





Re: Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

AC&F Type 11, 10,000 gallon tank car. 

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jan 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Undated photo from the Decatur Herald & Review:

https://tinyurl.com/taxs6pc


Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Undated photo from the Decatur Herald & Review:

https://tinyurl.com/taxs6pc

There are a number of other general railroad photos on the page that included the above photo:

https://tinyurl.com/yx6onejn

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Marty McGuirk
 

With the obvious exception of the number of stake pockets, the GT car does look very similar to Central Vermont 4287 ( http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2018/08/wordless-wednesday-199.html) which is on display in Willimantic. 


On January 13, 2020 at 7:08 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

The sidesills on those flats are slightly different. The sidesills on the GT car are deeper than those on the Rutland car. This also affects the angles of the fishbelly appearance.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On January 13, 2020 at 3:09 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆



 


Re: Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Eric Hansmann
 

The sidesills on those flats are slightly different. The sidesills on the GT car are deeper than those on the Rutland car. This also affects the angles of the fishbelly appearance.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On January 13, 2020 at 3:09 AM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆



Another Athearn 40' Flat Prototype [Was Rutland flatcar with trailer load]

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

While looking through my New England photos for other surviving examples of the Rutland 2700-series flat cars, I chanced upon another 11-pocket flat car. This one is in company service on the Conway Scenic Railway, and is lettered GT 54559.

A photo of the car is attached, along with Steamtown's Rutland 2777 for comparison. The GT car has a channel end sill, while the Rutland car has a flat plate. Otherwise they are similar. Some styrene strip and a new deck could make the Athearn car a close match.

I'm not sure whether the GT lettering on this car is correct. In my 1958 ORER, there is no longer a separate GT reporting mark, only CN, and no number like this exists. Maybe it is older, or maybe it is fake lettering on somebody else's car. Any ideas?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Rutland flatcar with trailer load

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Don,

Your recollections are very interesting. I cannot agree or disagree with your assessment of the current Steamtown musuem. I do know that it has been something of a political football in recent years, and nearly faced closure. I know nothing of the New York location you mentioned, but do think the Scranton site while Scranton is hardly a tourist mecca) has certain access advantages, being on a major N/S freeway, plus it has the advantage of a very nice piece of track for their trains to play on.

When we visited Steamtown a few years back, my sweetheart and I stayed in the Radisson Lackawanna Station Hotel. Cushy and expensive, but definitely a class act, and a worthy reuse of a noble old building.  

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 7:26 AM Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth Groff wrote:

Walt,

I have an October 1958 ORER. Rutland still had 26 of the 2700-series in revenue service, and I don't know how many in company service. 

The Green Mountain Railroad dates from 1964, so I have no information about it (though some photos of recent vintage). Since this line was 
owned by Nelson Blount, also the founder of Steamtown in its original incarnation, there is no wonder how Rutland 2777 ended up in the 
modern Steamtown museum collection.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


    This is absolutely correct Garth. The only thing I don't recall, and can't find my roster to check, is how many of the #2700 flats the GMRC 
ended up with as I believe the Vermont Rwy. got a few as well. The GMRC also got at least one of the older, straight side sill Rutland flat cars.
I knew Nelson Blount and drove within 2 miles of his place on my way home in August of 1967 when he was killed. The GMRC and Steamtown
were totally separated  shortly thereafter with Robert W. Adams heading up the GMRC employee group that acquired the railroad from Ne;son's
estate. Over the years I also worked for the GMRC as a relief passenger trainman, later as relief fireman for Steamtown for which later still I 
served as the insurance agent. The falling out that occurred between the State of Vermont and Steamtown in the late 1970's is a shame from
which I do not feel Steamtown has ever recovered, nor have I been at all impressed by the many losses and lack of very much real progress 
since it was moved and became the Scranton Scrapyard. Others may view it differently but that's the way I see it. If it was going to move I 
believe strongly that the Kingston, NY choice also contemplated would have been a far better choice in the long run.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] Reboxx 33 in. Wheel Application Chart

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bob. I also received the chart directly, and I should have notified the group to save other’s the trouble.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Miller
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [RealSTMFC] Reboxx 33 in. Wheel Application Chart

 

Here you go, Nelson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 5:59 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Reboxx 33 in. Wheel Application Chart

 

At one time, Reboxx had wheel application charts on their web page. For some reason, I downloaded the chart for 36 in. wheels but not the chart for 33 in. wheels. I’ll be eternally grateful if someone would sent the pdf of the 33 in. wheel chart.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Jack and Friends,

Since we can't see a car number or more of the side, an exact ID is impossible, but I can come close.

Originally these were WP 14001-14100, built in 1923 by Mt. Vernon. See attached builder's photo.

In 1936 50 were rebuilt as steel double-door auto cars, including auto racks, renumbered 19001-19050. Racks were later removed at an unspecified date and they became general boxcars. I don't know if the left-hand doors were bolted or welded shut.

In 1938 32 were rebuilt as steel single-door boxcars renumbered 14301-14332.

In 1941 15 more single-door boxcars were added as 14501-14514.

The three missing cars were probably lost to wrecks.

To confuse matters somewhat, WP also had Standard Steel build 300 nearly identical wood-sided auto cars in 1924 with Murphy ends numbered 14101-14300. These went through a similar conversion process to single-door boxcars. Most of both groups were scrapped by the late 1950s. Understandably, any photos of these cars are pretty rare, especially the ones with Hutchins ends, though Will Whittaker did manage to snap a few shots.

Sunshine offered both the single-door cars with both Hutchins and Murphy ends.  

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:53 AM Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:
Unusual  end. I  don't think I've seen one like this before.
There are at least 5 sections, perhaps 6, riveted together.
Each piece has one rectangular rib.  What is it?

Too bad more of the car isn't shown. Can anyone i.d. it?

Jack Mullen


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

Disregard my previous post. Hutchins of course, with height extended with a two rib Murphy section. 
I know better and my only excuse is that I hadn't had coffee yet.   (Face red)
Jack


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

gary laakso
 

Yes, Hutchins ends.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Riverboy via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 6:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WP Rebuilt Boxcar

 

What type of end is that? Is it a Hutchins? Please pardon my ignorance if I am way off! LOL!

 

Tod C Dwyer

 

On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 09:20:17 AM EST, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

 

 

Here is a fine picture of a rebuilt WP boxcar:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City/i-7hsPfxj/A 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock


Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

Thomas
 

If you look in look in Santa Fe Freight in Color volume one by Preist and Chenoweth you will find photos of both the BX-11 and BX-12 class cars with raised roofs into the 70's.
 Tom Thompson