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Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: Behind the UTLX Dry bulk tank car

mopacfirst
 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 06:55 AM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

Murfreesboro, TN

 

I see a white MDT reefer with the hatches up, standing alone approximately across from the ex-express car in what I presume to be a work train.


Ron Merrick


Re: Caboose restrictions c1914

Rupert Gamlen
 

Dennis

Material relating to these waycars is very scant, and I can’t recall the BRHS publishing anything about these cars other than three photos and a diagram. Now that I have found the varied legislation for the states in which the Burlington operated, it helps to identify where the CB&Q four wheel waycars/cabooses were used and why. For example, Iowa and Missouri – two of the biggest states for CB&Q mileage - had no provision for the use of four wheel waycars in yard or transfer service, unlike Illinois.

Sorting through the legislation of the seven states in which the Soo operated will no doubt produce patterns depending on locations and date – they range in the Report from 1907 to 1913 – as to where the Soo could use its equipment.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2020 5:21 p.m.
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Caboose restrictions c1914

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:56 PM, Rupert Gamlen wrote:

The report includes the legislation from Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Arkansas, Maine, Michigan, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Virginia, New Hampshire and Washington.

I wish I could remember where I read the info I cited earlier (requirement for steel centersill and a 26' minimum body length) which I recall was imposed by the ICC, but now that I read the above list, all seven states the Soo Line operated in are included, so it may have been simply based on state laws. However, the time period seems too early; The Soo didn't begin their rebuild program until 1924, and it continued until at least 1928. It is possible, I suppose, that implementation of the state laws was delayed by lawsuits by the railroads challenging the constitutionality of the state laws, which would require further research.

But this begs the question, what is the purpose of tracking down the source of the regulations? It seems the BRHS has published a lot of information over the years that should allow the type and construction of the cabooses in service at any given time period in any given local to be pretty well documented, and that's really what matters; if there are photos of cars running, that is what was running.

I suppose that's the reason why I've never put a lot of effort into documenting the reason for the rebuilding of the Soo Line fleet beyond the fact that I know it was completed before my ear of interest.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Staley Tank Cars

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.
 

 

I have attached a photograph of a MP boxcar being lifted and turned to clear it of grain.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:31 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Staley Tank Cars

 

Here is an ad for a boxcar unloader device. You can see it tilts and rolls.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 11:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Staley Tank Cars

 

On the page reached through Bob's second link, the fifth photo from the bottom, "Staley grain car dumper 1951", caught my attention. How does the grain get out of the rebuilt WABASH boxcar? Does that device roll the car as well as tilt it?
--
Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Caboose restrictions c1914

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:56 PM, Rupert Gamlen wrote:
The report includes the legislation from Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Arkansas, Maine, Michigan, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Virginia, New Hampshire and Washington.
I wish I could remember where I read the info I cited earlier (requirement for steel centersill and a 26' minimum body length) which I recall was imposed by the ICC, but now that I read the above list, all seven states the Soo Line operated in are included, so it may have been simply based on state laws. However, the time period seems too early; The Soo didn't begin their rebuild program until 1924, and it continued until at least 1928. It is possible, I suppose, that implementation of the state laws was delayed by lawsuits by the railroads challenging the constitutionality of the state laws, which would require further research.

But this begs the question, what is the purpose of tracking down the source of the regulations? It seems the BRHS has published a lot of information over the years that should allow the type and construction of the cabooses in service at any given time period in any given local to be pretty well documented, and that's really what matters; if there are photos of cars running, that is what was running.

I suppose that's the reason why I've never put a lot of effort into documenting the reason for the rebuilding of the Soo Line fleet beyond the fact that I know it was completed before my ear of interest.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Behind the UTLX Dry bulk tank car

rwitt_2000
 

The covered hopper kinda looks like a B&O N-25 rebuilt from their N-13 open-top hoppers.

Eric H. what do you think?

Bob Witt


Caboose restrictions c1914

Rupert Gamlen
 

I’ve found some of the individual states legislation on the construction of cabooses in the Bureau of Labor Statistics Report for 1914 at https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=caboose;id=hvd.hj2ajm;view=1up;seq=7  (part 1) and https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.a0004011052&view=1up&seq=9 (part 2)

Although the phraseology of the Acts is basically similar, there are wide variations in what was prescribed and permitted under the various Acts.  Of the eighteen states covered in the report, only one – New York – required steel center sills, while three or four related the construction strength of the caboose to MCB standards. There were also wide variations in the question of platforms, steps, rails and interior requirements, although all specified two four-wheel trucks. However, some Acts allowed existing equipment to be used until general repairs were required, others permitted their use in yard and local work, while the 1909 Illinois legislation provided -
          The provisions of this act shall not apply to the use of caboose cars in yard and in transfer service, nor to the use of caboose cars now owned
         by any railroad or railway company operating in this State.
At that time, there were 152 railroads (including subsidiaries and leased roads) operating in Illinois.

The report includes the legislation from Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Arkansas, Maine, Michigan, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Virginia, New Hampshire and Washington.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


 


Re: Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Tim, how did you get the figure of $250?  According to the website a set of 14 HO-scale containers runs at $31.50, S-scale is $73.25.  Is the freight a bit OTT?

Regards
Paul Woods
Whangarei, NZ


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 04:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Except at the prices, a load of calcium carbide containers runs about $250 or so.




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On 1/14/2020 7:08 PM, Elliot Courtney via Groups.Io wrote:
Steel mill modelers supply is producing these containers, they can be found on facebook or at http://steelmillmodelerssupply.com 

Elliot Courtney 
--
Tim O'Connor


Caboose Marker and Mars Light Question

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m building two CB&Q NE-10 waycars. The version I’m building is the modification in 1947 which added an electric wheel driven generator, battery boxes on both sides, and a wagon wheel antenna for radio communication. At some point in or after 1947, Mars lights were added to both ends. Two styles of Mars lights are included in the kit, a round housing with a smaller lens, and a larger square housing with a large lens. I’ve studied the photos in the NE-10 chapter of The Burlington Waycars by Danniel, Reis, and Dowda, and I’ve noticed waycars on some trains had both traditional lantern markers and the large square Mars lights (photos from 1962-1968), while photos taken in 1969 and 1972 show only the Mars light without markers.  At some point in the 1060s, the lantern markers were electrified as evidenced by a cord that plugged into receptacles on each side of the ends.

 

Questions

Was there a rule change after 1968 that discontinued use of traditional markers when a Mars light was used?

Where both Mars light styles actually used, and what are the dates they were first installed? All photos from the 1960s show square housings.

When were markers first electrified?

 

Answers to these questions have a practical application, as I plan to light the markers and/or Mars lights.

 

Nelson Moyer

 


Re: Need Sunshine instructions

Robert J Miller CFA
 

I’ll scan and e-mail the instructions. I’ve built that kit.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of bill woelfel via Groups.Io <bwoelfeljr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:42:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Need Sunshine instructions
 
Hi, I recently bought an almost completed Sunshine Models ATSF dry ice reefer kit and would like to finish it. It's model # 16.3, as rebuilt in 1949 for Spencer Chemical. I have the societies reefer book but would still like the instructions.  Thanks for any help, Regards, Bill


Need Sunshine instructions

bill woelfel
 

Hi, I recently bought an almost completed Sunshine Models ATSF dry ice reefer kit and would like to finish it. It's model # 16.3, as rebuilt in 1949 for Spencer Chemical. I have the societies reefer book but would still like the instructions.  Thanks for any help, Regards, Bill


Re: Shorty automobile car - 1913

Paul Doggett
 

Thomas 

Have you got a copy of the photo? To see what the Railway the cars (wagons over here).

Paul Doggett.  England 


On 15 Jan 2020, at 18:22, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Trafford Park Manchester was the first UK Ford plant opened in 1911 to make the model T 

Paul Doggett.   England 


On 15 Jan 2020, at 17:57, Thomas Evans via Groups.Io <tomkevans@...> wrote:

Some of the guys over on the Early Rail site identified it as being at the Trafford Park works in Manchester, England in 1916.
I'll go tell the Ford dealer that they messed up their caption!

Tom


Re: Shorty automobile car - 1913

Paul Doggett
 

Trafford Park Manchester was the first UK Ford plant opened in 1911 to make the model T 

Paul Doggett.   England 


On 15 Jan 2020, at 17:57, Thomas Evans via Groups.Io <tomkevans@...> wrote:

Some of the guys over on the Early Rail site identified it as being at the Trafford Park works in Manchester, England in 1916.
I'll go tell the Ford dealer that they messed up their caption!

Tom


Re: Looking for any info about Linde (CCBX) gondolas #801-815 and the containers. #801-815

Jason Kliewer
 

Thanks for all the replies.  I'll make another run at drawing all this up and see if I can get to a acceptable result.

Can't believe I didn't do a patent search as I've done that on several past projects.

Jason


Re: Shorty automobile car - 1913

Thomas Evans
 

Some of the guys over on the Early Rail site identified it as being at the Trafford Park works in Manchester, England in 1916.
I'll go tell the Ford dealer that they messed up their caption!

Tom


Re: Anyone care to guess who owns or leases this tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 1/15/2020 8:04 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
Anyone care to guess who owns or leases this tank car?

    A total SWAG but as it's pole company spur maybe a creosote company tank?:-D

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: CC&O vs CRR reporting marks

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"For some time now I have noticed that all of the Clinchfield's USRA assigned rolling stock—cabooses; 50-ton boxcars; 2-bay hoppers—carried "CC&O" reporting marks for most of their service lives if not all, certainly well into the 1950s while cars after the USRA period were stenciled "CCR." Curious if anyone knows why this was the case."

Carolina, Clinchfield & Ohio (CC&O) was leased jointly by ACL and L&N effective December 1, 1924, who operated it using the Clinchfield Railroad (CRR) as the controlling company.


Ben Hom


CC&O vs CRR reporting marks

Bill Welch
 

For some time now I have noticed that all of the Clinchfield's USRA assigned rolling stock—cabooses; 50-ton boxcars; 2-bay hoppers—carried "CC&O" reporting marks for most of their service lives if not all, certainly well into the 1950s while cars after the USRA period were stenciled "CCR." Curious if anyone knows why this was the case.

Bill Welch


Re: Help with a SP box car

Clark Propst
 

I didn't have to leave town this morning so I finished....Thought I'd finished, just remembered the cut lever...The SP mini-kit, I'll add the uncoupling lever and paint next.
I'm also attaching a model I did the week before CCB. It's an old Sunshine "Unibody" kit for a KCS rebuilt box car. I was expecting a yellow casting flat kit. To my surprise I got a C&BT kit with a couple of resin castings....I used the two castings and the carbody, the rest is from my parts stash.
CW Propst 


Anyone care to guess who owns or leases this tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Anyone care to guess who owns or leases this tank car?
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

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