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Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Greg Martin
 

Gary and All,

There is a very thorough breakdown of these cars and there were two separate doner cars from WP inventory on the Shake N Take site if you're signed up. 

Greg Martin 


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From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
To: RealSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 6:20 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Here is a fine picture of a rebuilt WP boxcar:
 
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock

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Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Santa Fe Tank Car 100801 upgrade

Lester Breuer
 

I have upgraded Santa Fe tank car 100801 with a resin cast dome and other details.  If you are interested as to why and how, photos and writeup of the upgrade process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Dave Parker
 

I am not sure that I am completely following the discussion here, but it is a topic that has come up before.  At the risk of repeating myself, the "standard" MCB/ARA/AAR Roman letter diagram dates to 1906.  I have seen it reproduced a number of time in several places, and it always contains just three letters (M,C,B) and three numerals (2,7,8).  If anybody as ever seen a more comprehensive character set, I would be glad to learn of it.  But, based on what I have seen, no railroad could have actually conformed to standardized MCB/ARA/AAR lettering because it didn't exist  -- beyond those six example characters that seem only to convey a rather general style of lettering that was adopted as an industry standard.
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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Tony Thompson
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:

I happened to run across Tony Thompson's blog "Prototype Lettering, Part 2".

In comparing the figures that are presented as "AAR" vs. the CB&Q ARA ST'D
LETTER set originally drawn Chicago 10-05-09 and retraced 9-23-22 (on
account of the original tracings being destroyed in the Chicago HQ Fire in
1922) the SP M, C, B, 8, 7 and 2 are identical and must be the ARA original.
Note that the letters Tony presents below the AAR letters on graph grid,
while similar, are of different proportion.
For those who may not have seen it, I provide below a link to the blog post that Charlie cites in his message:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2019/12/prototype-lettering-part-2.html

The point of that blog post was to observe that the SP lettering, the letters shown below on the graph grid, were NOT at all the same as the MCB/ARA/AAR letters. The earliest MCB version I found in a Cyc was exactly the same as AAR letters 50 years later, as Charlie says.
Someone observed earlier that CB&Q mostly observed the AAR lettering but not entirely. I can't find that email to see if they identified which characters used by CB&Q differed.
I would also point out that although the MCB/ARA/AAR lettering is often described as "standard," it was never required, nor have I even found a mention of it being "recommended practice." Someone on the list may be able to provide such a citation.

Tony Thompson
tony@...

ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
I happened to run across Tony Thompson's blog "Prototype Lettering, Part 2".

In comparing the figures that are presented as "AAR" vs. the CB&Q ARA ST'D
LETTER set originally drawn Chicago 10-05-09 and retraced 9-23-22 (on
account of the original tracings being destroyed in the Chicago HQ Fire in
1922) the SP M, C, B, 8, 7 and 2 are identical and must be the ARA original.
Note that the letters Tony presents below the AAR letters on graph grid,
while similar, are of different proportion.
Charlie Vlk

Re: grain dumper (was Staley Tank Cars)

mopacfirst
 

Not only was it repainted (sometime between 1949 and 1961), but the car also has had its wooden running board and laterals replaced with Morton.  This photo is the first documented evidence that this ever happened to one of these MP 1932 boxcars.

Ron Merrick

Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Clark Propst
 

What I remember from having some of these kits is there's a grab iron that's suppose to run across the end of the car, there are holes in the ends that need filling. This is for later versions without running boards done in the mid 60s.
Caboose Stop Hobbies in Cedar Falls Iowa has a bunch of these kits at reduced prices if anyone is interested.
CW Propst

Re: grain dumper (was Staley Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


A freshly repainted 1932 ARA design box car!


On 1/16/2020 1:27 AM, Robert J. Amsler, Jr. wrote:

 

I have attached a photograph of a MP boxcar being lifted and turned to clear it of grain.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: CNW "X" door trap cars

Charlie Vlk
 

John,
Thanks for adding this to the knowledge base.   I always thought the X cars were captive only between Proviso and Chicago.  I wonder if they extended to other major terminals such as the Twin Cities and Omaha?
Charlie Vlk


On Jan 18, 2020, at 8:55 AM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


We've discussed these cars in the past, but several of Jack Delano's photo captions at the Library of Congress add depth to the story.  I just hope that they did a good job of tying down the loaded hand carts.  A clear photo of the loading can be found here:  Chicago, Illinois. The Chicago and Northwestern Railroad runs a special service in these freight cars marked "X" between Chicago and Milwaukee. The cars are loaded with goods in proper order on these hand trucks. The cars are sent on to Milwaukee, tr




John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

CNW "X" door trap cars

John Barry
 

We've discussed these cars in the past, but several of Jack Delano's photo captions at the Library of Congress add depth to the story.  I just hope that they did a good job of tying down the loaded hand carts.  A clear photo of the loading can be found here:  Chicago, Illinois. The Chicago and Northwestern Railroad runs a special service in these freight cars marked "X" between Chicago and Milwaukee. The cars are loaded with goods in proper order on these hand trucks. The cars are sent on to Milwaukee, tr




John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

Re: Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

espee4441
 

The Skykomish River is by far the main water running tributary to the GN but as for Cascade Tunnel it's actually the Tye River which then obviously dumps into the south fork of the Sky. At Index is where the south and north forks combine with the mainline crossing the north right at Index itself. Spent way too many nights in the car at Scenic waiting for action to hit/exit the tunnel and listening to the Tye since it's the only thing besides critters that move there. 

Tony Pawley

Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Bill McCoy
 

Thanks Todd,

I haven't built cars in years and forgot the great resources this group has. I've never tried Google Images but am headed there now.

Bill

Re: Cocoa Beach 2020

Brian Carlson
 

Nice post. When was there cake? First I knew was in the blog.

Roberto’s was good. My first time and I’m on the bland side of eating usually. I throughly enjoyed it.

Brian J. Carlson

On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

 I've just posted to my blog a short description of this year's Cocoa Beach meeting, as I experienced it. If you went, you may find it brings back a memory or two; if you didn't go, this might motivate you to attend next year! If you're interested, here's the link:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2020/01/cocoa-beach-2020.html


Tony Thompson
tony@...





: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

Andy Carlson
 

I get my .....homishes mixed up. You are correct.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, January 17, 2020, 1:59:48 PM PST, Doug Polinder via Groups.Io <mikado3399@...> wrote:


Andy, might you be referring to Snoqualmie Falls?  I'm not aware of any falls on the Snohomish River.  The Snoqualmie and Skykomish rivers converge to form the Snohomish.  The Skykomish is known to steam-era freight-car enthusiasts, of course, as the Great Northern's west-slope Cascade Mountain access to Stevens Pass and the Cascade Tunnel.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA
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Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bill,

The Steam Era Freight Cars website is your friend.  See the files for different 'species' of steel boxcars created by Ed Hawkins, Ted Culotta and others, specifically the files for 10' Postwar Boxcars for these GN cars.

I believe the Intermountain kit represents GN 10900-11874 and 18000-19499, all build at St. Cloud Shops in 1948-49.  Handbrakes were Ajax or Universal, running boards were Morton, Apex or Gypsum, depending on the car series (there were about 7 series), and I think the running boards were painted Mineral Red and the trucks and underframe were black when new.  The doors also varied by series.  There are lots of online photo sources: Fallen Flags and Google images are just two.  Using Google images will get you to other sites.

Todd Sullivan.

Cocoa Beach 2020

Tony Thompson
 

I've just posted to my blog a short description of this year's Cocoa Beach meeting, as I experienced it. If you went, you may find it brings back a memory or two; if you didn't go, this might motivate you to attend next year! If you're interested, here's the link:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2020/01/cocoa-beach-2020.html


Tony Thompson
tony@...

Re: Photos: Wabash Automobile Boxcar 47194

Chet
 

I had an interesting experience with this car.  I stopped a few times to look at the car when passing through Atlanta.  On one of these occasions, I stopped and noticed two men working on
the car.  They were drilling holes and putting grab irons on the left end of the side away from the elevator.  I noticed they had already put three grabs on the car and was beginning to drill holes for a fourth grab.  I quickly told them there should only be two grabs on that end.  They said it was a good thing I stopped as they were going to put them to the top of the side like the other end.  They said they would remove the third grab, but never did.  I also sent them a palnt and lettering blueprint for the car.   The photos appear to be of the car the first time it was painted.  Since then they have replaced the siding and repainted the car.

Chet French
Dixon, IL

Re: Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

Doug Polinder
 

Andy, might you be referring to Snoqualmie Falls?  I'm not aware of any falls on the Snohomish River.  The Snoqualmie and Skykomish rivers converge to form the Snohomish.  The Skykomish is known to steam-era freight-car enthusiasts, of course, as the Great Northern's west-slope Cascade Mountain access to Stevens Pass and the Cascade Tunnel.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA

Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Bill McCoy
 

I picked up an old IMRC GN 12 panel boxcar kit (GN 18837, reweigh F-10-60). Some of the parts are pretty dated. There were no instructions and I have a few questions.
What hand brake was used on these cars?
What running boards were used? Was it painted or galvanized?
Were the trucks black or oxide red?
What was the underframe color?
Is there a online prototype photo source?

Thanks in advance for any help.
Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

Re: Prototype Junction Steam Era Freight Car List Special

Randy Hammill
 

Thanks, Greg - 

We're just getting started but we need a lot more support. I'm happy to answer any questions, concerns, etc. regarding the project. There are enough folks here alone to make it happen, and while I don't expect everyone will order cars, these all fit this group's era unless you are modeling pre-1929.

I don't know everybody personally here, but I know quite a few folks, and you can visit my blog to get a better understanding of my personal approach to modeling, which is to be as accurate as possible across the board. We are also approaching this project with modelers in mind, which is why we'll have lots of neat parts in addition to decorated and undecorated kits available. All things I heard modelers ask for regularly when I was working on projects for True Line and other companies. Our answer is, "absolutely," But we can only say that if the modelers step up too!

Come see us in the Better Living Center in Springfield, 25-G.

Thanks again - 

Randy

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com