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Plastic Pipe "T"s cored for .012 brass wire

Bill McCoy
 

I have a project that has a need for joining .012 wire in a "T". some time back there were plastic pipe joints but I can't remember who made them. MY LHS thinks it was Utah Pacific but there's nothing on their web site. Same for Plasti-Struct and Evergreen. Precision make a brass "T" cored for .015 but that may be a sloppy fit.This is a locomotive (SD9) project and some brake piping details on freight cars...
Any help on where to find them will be appreciated.  

Bill McCoy, Jax


Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Staffan Ehnbom
 

The photo of GN18108 on Fallen Flags shows remains of vermilion paint on the roof.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:58 AM Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,

The Steam Era Freight Cars website is your friend.  See the files for different 'species' of steel boxcars created by Ed Hawkins, Ted Culotta and others, specifically the files for 10' Postwar Boxcars for these GN cars.

I believe the Intermountain kit represents GN 10900-11874 and 18000-19499, all build at St. Cloud Shops in 1948-49.  Handbrakes were Ajax or Universal, running boards were Morton, Apex or Gypsum, depending on the car series (there were about 7 series), and I think the running boards were painted Mineral Red and the trucks and underframe were black when new.  The doors also varied by series.  There are lots of online photo sources: Fallen Flags and Google images are just two.  Using Google images will get you to other sites.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Vermilion GN cars had mineral red trucks and underbody.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:58 AM Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,

The Steam Era Freight Cars website is your friend.  See the files for different 'species' of steel boxcars created by Ed Hawkins, Ted Culotta and others, specifically the files for 10' Postwar Boxcars for these GN cars.

I believe the Intermountain kit represents GN 10900-11874 and 18000-19499, all build at St. Cloud Shops in 1948-49.  Handbrakes were Ajax or Universal, running boards were Morton, Apex or Gypsum, depending on the car series (there were about 7 series), and I think the running boards were painted Mineral Red and the trucks and underframe were black when new.  The doors also varied by series.  There are lots of online photo sources: Fallen Flags and Google images are just two.  Using Google images will get you to other sites.

Todd Sullivan.


RF&F Sand Hopper

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

I would like to offer two photos of a most unusual RF&P covered hopper for your approval and commentary. The car is RF&P 14, apparently used in company sand service. While numbered in the RF&P maintenance fleet, it still was obviously sent off line.

This car is an apparent conversion of a standard open hopper. In 1954 the RF&P had 96 hoppers from three groups in revenue service. While I can't be sure, it is probably a conversion of one of these cars. Note the most unusual trucks, that appear to have outside brake hangers. AFAIK from the photo, the hangers are not used, but they may point to the origins of this car if it was bought used by the RF&P. Can any of you comment upon the origin of the car, and its possible conversion date? Were there any more of these cars? What are these trucks called?

I shot the car around 1987 on the Dixon Sand Co. loading track in Dillwyn, Virginia. Dixon Sand was a Kyanite Corporation subsidiary, the sand being a by-product of their mining operation on near-by Willis Mountain (ore and sand both delivered to the railhead by truck). Apparently Dixon sold sand to the RF&P and the Chessie System for locomotives. Dillwyn was at the end of the former C&O Buckingham Subdivision, now the Buckingham Branch Railroad. The spur and loader are still there, but have not been active for many years.

My apologies for the oblique angle on the car. As I remember it, there was a steep drop off to my left, and I couldn't get a straight view of the whole car side. Except for the truck photo, all shots I took of  the various cars on this spur over the years are from approximately the same spot, a grade crossing.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


Re: WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Greg Martin
 

Gary and All,

There is a very thorough breakdown of these cars and there were two separate doner cars from WP inventory on the Shake N Take site if you're signed up. 

Greg Martin 


-----Original Message-----
From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
To: RealSTMFC <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 6:20 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] WP Rebuilt Boxcar

Here is a fine picture of a rebuilt WP boxcar:
 
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock

--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 


Santa Fe Tank Car 100801 upgrade

Lester Breuer
 

I have upgraded Santa Fe tank car 100801 with a resin cast dome and other details.  If you are interested as to why and how, photos and writeup of the upgrade process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Dave Parker
 

I am not sure that I am completely following the discussion here, but it is a topic that has come up before.  At the risk of repeating myself, the "standard" MCB/ARA/AAR Roman letter diagram dates to 1906.  I have seen it reproduced a number of time in several places, and it always contains just three letters (M,C,B) and three numerals (2,7,8).  If anybody as ever seen a more comprehensive character set, I would be glad to learn of it.  But, based on what I have seen, no railroad could have actually conformed to standardized MCB/ARA/AAR lettering because it didn't exist  -- beyond those six example characters that seem only to convey a rather general style of lettering that was adopted as an industry standard.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Tony Thompson
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:

I happened to run across Tony Thompson's blog "Prototype Lettering, Part 2".

In comparing the figures that are presented as "AAR" vs. the CB&Q ARA ST'D
LETTER set originally drawn Chicago 10-05-09 and retraced 9-23-22 (on
account of the original tracings being destroyed in the Chicago HQ Fire in
1922) the SP M, C, B, 8, 7 and 2 are identical and must be the ARA original.
Note that the letters Tony presents below the AAR letters on graph grid,
while similar, are of different proportion.
For those who may not have seen it, I provide below a link to the blog post that Charlie cites in his message:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2019/12/prototype-lettering-part-2.html

The point of that blog post was to observe that the SP lettering, the letters shown below on the graph grid, were NOT at all the same as the MCB/ARA/AAR letters. The earliest MCB version I found in a Cyc was exactly the same as AAR letters 50 years later, as Charlie says.
Someone observed earlier that CB&Q mostly observed the AAR lettering but not entirely. I can't find that email to see if they identified which characters used by CB&Q differed.
I would also point out that although the MCB/ARA/AAR lettering is often described as "standard," it was never required, nor have I even found a mention of it being "recommended practice." Someone on the list may be able to provide such a citation.

Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com


ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
I happened to run across Tony Thompson's blog "Prototype Lettering, Part 2".

In comparing the figures that are presented as "AAR" vs. the CB&Q ARA ST'D
LETTER set originally drawn Chicago 10-05-09 and retraced 9-23-22 (on
account of the original tracings being destroyed in the Chicago HQ Fire in
1922) the SP M, C, B, 8, 7 and 2 are identical and must be the ARA original.
Note that the letters Tony presents below the AAR letters on graph grid,
while similar, are of different proportion.
Charlie Vlk


Re: grain dumper (was Staley Tank Cars)

mopacfirst
 

Not only was it repainted (sometime between 1949 and 1961), but the car also has had its wooden running board and laterals replaced with Morton.  This photo is the first documented evidence that this ever happened to one of these MP 1932 boxcars.

Ron Merrick


Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Clark Propst
 

What I remember from having some of these kits is there's a grab iron that's suppose to run across the end of the car, there are holes in the ends that need filling. This is for later versions without running boards done in the mid 60s.
Caboose Stop Hobbies in Cedar Falls Iowa has a bunch of these kits at reduced prices if anyone is interested.
CW Propst


Re: grain dumper (was Staley Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


A freshly repainted 1932 ARA design box car!


On 1/16/2020 1:27 AM, Robert J. Amsler, Jr. wrote:

 

I have attached a photograph of a MP boxcar being lifted and turned to clear it of grain.

 

Robert J. Amsler, Jr.

514 Dover Place

Saint Louis, Missouri 63111

(314) 606-6118  (Telephone)

(314) 754-2688  (Facsimile)

MPFan1@...

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: CNW "X" door trap cars

Charlie Vlk
 

John,
Thanks for adding this to the knowledge base.   I always thought the X cars were captive only between Proviso and Chicago.  I wonder if they extended to other major terminals such as the Twin Cities and Omaha?
Charlie Vlk


On Jan 18, 2020, at 8:55 AM, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:


We've discussed these cars in the past, but several of Jack Delano's photo captions at the Library of Congress add depth to the story.  I just hope that they did a good job of tying down the loaded hand carts.  A clear photo of the loading can be found here:  Chicago, Illinois. The Chicago and Northwestern Railroad runs a special service in these freight cars marked "X" between Chicago and Milwaukee. The cars are loaded with goods in proper order on these hand trucks. The cars are sent on to Milwaukee, tr




John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


CNW "X" door trap cars

John Barry
 

We've discussed these cars in the past, but several of Jack Delano's photo captions at the Library of Congress add depth to the story.  I just hope that they did a good job of tying down the loaded hand carts.  A clear photo of the loading can be found here:  Chicago, Illinois. The Chicago and Northwestern Railroad runs a special service in these freight cars marked "X" between Chicago and Milwaukee. The cars are loaded with goods in proper order on these hand trucks. The cars are sent on to Milwaukee, tr




John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Photo: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

espee4441
 

The Skykomish River is by far the main water running tributary to the GN but as for Cascade Tunnel it's actually the Tye River which then obviously dumps into the south fork of the Sky. At Index is where the south and north forks combine with the mainline crossing the north right at Index itself. Spent way too many nights in the car at Scenic waiting for action to hit/exit the tunnel and listening to the Tye since it's the only thing besides critters that move there. 

Tony Pawley


Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Bill McCoy
 

Thanks Todd,

I haven't built cars in years and forgot the great resources this group has. I've never tried Google Images but am headed there now.

Bill


Re: Cocoa Beach 2020

Brian Carlson
 

Nice post. When was there cake? First I knew was in the blog.

Roberto’s was good. My first time and I’m on the bland side of eating usually. I throughly enjoyed it.

Brian J. Carlson

On Jan 17, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com> wrote:

 I've just posted to my blog a short description of this year's Cocoa Beach meeting, as I experienced it. If you went, you may find it brings back a memory or two; if you didn't go, this might motivate you to attend next year! If you're interested, here's the link:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2020/01/cocoa-beach-2020.html


Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com






: NYC Depressed Center Flat 499051

Andy Carlson
 

I get my .....homishes mixed up. You are correct.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Friday, January 17, 2020, 1:59:48 PM PST, Doug Polinder via Groups.Io <mikado3399@...> wrote:


Andy, might you be referring to Snoqualmie Falls?  I'm not aware of any falls on the Snohomish River.  The Snoqualmie and Skykomish rivers converge to form the Snohomish.  The Skykomish is known to steam-era freight-car enthusiasts, of course, as the Great Northern's west-slope Cascade Mountain access to Stevens Pass and the Cascade Tunnel.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA
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Re: Intermountain 12 panel GN Vermillion box car details

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bill,

The Steam Era Freight Cars website is your friend.  See the files for different 'species' of steel boxcars created by Ed Hawkins, Ted Culotta and others, specifically the files for 10' Postwar Boxcars for these GN cars.

I believe the Intermountain kit represents GN 10900-11874 and 18000-19499, all build at St. Cloud Shops in 1948-49.  Handbrakes were Ajax or Universal, running boards were Morton, Apex or Gypsum, depending on the car series (there were about 7 series), and I think the running boards were painted Mineral Red and the trucks and underframe were black when new.  The doors also varied by series.  There are lots of online photo sources: Fallen Flags and Google images are just two.  Using Google images will get you to other sites.

Todd Sullivan.


Cocoa Beach 2020

Tony Thompson
 

I've just posted to my blog a short description of this year's Cocoa Beach meeting, as I experienced it. If you went, you may find it brings back a memory or two; if you didn't go, this might motivate you to attend next year! If you're interested, here's the link:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2020/01/cocoa-beach-2020.html


Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com

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