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Re: Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations
Ed Hawkins
Bill, Branchline Trains (now Atlas) offered HO 50’ AAR box & auto car kits as follows with the side arrangement defined as riveted or welded & the number of side sheets to the left & right of the door opening, respectively. 1000-series: 8’ door openings, riveted 8/8 side sheets 1100-series: 15’ door openings, riveted 5/8 side sheets 1900-series: 9’ door openings, welded 8/8 side sheets 2000-series: 9’ door openings, riveted 8/8 side sheets The above models came with three configurations of side sill to bolster, crosstie & door reinforcement connections that varied depending on the railroad. The three options of side sill connections were molded integral to the body. a. Fish-belly from bolster to bolster b. Straight from bolster to bolster c. Separate bolster, crosstie & door reinforcement connections (i.e., “tabbed”) While these three options were generally accurate for many prototype cars, others had straight side sill reinforcements extending from end to end (Northern Pacific one example) that Branchline did not offer & thus require modification by the modeler. Branchline also offered two versions of 50’ insulated box cars (RB/RBL). 1700-series: Sliding-flush doors for 8’ openings, riveted 8/8 side sheets 1800-series: Sliding-flush doors for 8’ openings, 4-panel riveted side sheets for 14 side posts & horizontal seams The 1800-series models represented GARX prototype cars having Duryea underframes. However, the Branchline models came with the same conventional AAR underframe provided in other 50’ box car kits. Recall Jack Spencer’s RP CYC Volume 15 article on modifying one of these models with Duryea underframe. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car
Lee Thwaits
In 40's & at least early 50's cans were hauled in bulk in stock cars from can co. ( in San Jose?) to Prattlow cannery in Santa Clara. Cars were steam cleaned first then lined with heavy craft paper.
Lee Thwaits
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Re: Photo: LV Boxcar 72286
Eric Hansmann
LV 80212 was part of the 80001-80400 series of 34-foot IL boxcars. Only 48 were listed in the October 1926 ORER.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
I have this photo a friend gave me a long time ago. An early version of the LV's "wrongway door" boxcar. Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car
Hi,
I worked in a salmon cannery in Anacortes, Wa. in the late 50's/early 60's. We received box car loads of cans that were packed into very large cardboard boxes that were on top of a pallet. The dimensions of the box were the size of the pallet on the bottom and about 4 or 5 feet tall. The pallets were loaded into the box cars with fork lifts and were stacked two pallets high and pretty much filling the entire box car. They were moved to the can loft above and along one side of the cannery and stored in long lines on either side of a central aisle. During canning operations the pallets of cans were moved to a machine in the loft and slid off the pallet from the fork lift. I do not remember if the cans were unloaded from the box bottom or top (tilted) by the machine - but that machine fed the can line directly from the can loft to both canning lines which were run to the actual canning machine and rammed the salmon into the cans. The movement of the cans was done in long open "tubes" similar to current automated canning. I can probably find pics of the can loft part of the operation if needed. - Jim
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Matching Colors
Matching Colors 1942 photo from the Library of Congress: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017877998/ Caption "Laboratory worker at the research laboratory at the C & NW RR's [i.e. Chicago and North Western railroad's] 40th Street yard, examining paint samples used on freight cars and coaches of the railroad, Chicago, Ill." For all you folks who lose sleep over getting the exact color match, here is your spiritual ancestor at work. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Photo: LV Boxcar 72286
Bud Rindfleisch
I have this photo a friend gave me a long time ago. An early version of the LV's "wrongway door" boxcar. Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car
Douglas Harding
Regarding the second photo of Richmond-Chase Company plant: I would speculate the SP stockcar was hauling fruit for unloading. Note it is not coupled to the boxcars that contain cans, indicating it was delivered separately.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io [mailto:RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car Circa 1920 photo of another use for a livestock car: https://calisphere.org/item/6b72bf20ae08e9ac37dc6518e2fdb783/ Caption: "Workers from Richmond-Chase canning company unloading crates of fruit from railroad cars." Use the slider to enlarge the photo. The car belongs to Galveston, Harrisburg & San Antonio Railway, which I believe was a Southern Pacific subsidiary in Texas and Louisiana. The car tag is almost readable and maybe reads "This car was ____ ____ and disinfected". The Richmond-Chase Company became one of the primary fruit canning giants in Santa Clara County, CA. The company maintained four major packing and canning plants in San Jose, and had other agricultural operations in central California, as well as owning several orchards. Plant, circa 1920: http://digitalcollections.sjlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/sjsurc/id/21 Shows several boxcars (at least one SP) apparently loaded with empty cans. Use the slider to enlarge the photo. I can't determine if the SP livestock car has a load of cans. Shipping ready-to-fill cans was not uncommon at one time: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017782124/ Bob Chaparro Moderator
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Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations
I need a reminder please regarding the Branchline Blueprint 50-foot boxcars in terms of the variations. I know they produced an 8-foot door car and an insulated car w/a sliding flush door. Note, I am not interested in the more modern cars they did, only the ones that would have the Improved Dreadnaught end variations.
Did they do a 9-foot door or any double door examples? Did the do any with a lower straight side sill? Thank you Bill Welch
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HO scale freight car kit news
Eric Hansmann
New resin kit models and new model kit companies are noted in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.
Eric Hansmann
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Re: Cocoa Beach Photos
gtws00
Some great models on display. Looks like it was a good show.
Thanks for posting the photos George Toman
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Re: Help with a SP box car
vapeurchapelon
Hello Clark,
really nice looking model, no doubt, but please allow a question: -are you sure the brake rod orientation is correct? What I can see is an "ordinary" AB system, and the brake rods usually are oriented "diagonally" to each other, means the assembly at the B end is correct, but the brake rod at the A end would have to be placed to the other side of the lever.
Or am I missing something here?
Regards
Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Januar 2020 um 18:11 Uhr
Von: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@q.com> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with a SP box car I didn't have to leave town this morning so I finished....Thought I'd finished, just remembered the cut lever...The SP mini-kit, I'll add the uncoupling lever and paint next.
I'm also attaching a model I did the week before CCB. It's an old Sunshine "Unibody" kit for a KCS rebuilt box car. I was expecting a yellow casting flat kit. To my surprise I got a C&BT kit with a couple of resin castings....I used the two castings and the carbody, the rest is from my parts stash. CW Propst
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Re: Cocoa Beach Photos
Paul Doggett
Steve
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Thank you for sharing. Paul Doggett. England
On 20 Jan 2020, at 03:16, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:
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Cocoa Beach Photos
I have placed some photos from Cocoa Beach 2020 in an album on Flickr at https://www.flickr.com/photos/116454307@N06/albums/72157712745510706 Hopefully they are representative of the terrific variety seen there. Thanks to all who shared their efforts in models, clinics and discussions. We had a great time. Enjoy, Steve Hile
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Re: Looking for Jim Eager's EMail
Curt Fortenberry
In case no one replied. He’s on the MFCL list and a few Curt Fortenberry
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Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car
Looking at the photo closer, it appears to be a heavy paper liner.
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Paasch via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 4:00 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car
Nice photos Bob. Thanks for a great tidbit of info regarding an alternate use of stock cars. Regarding shipping empty cans in stock cars, its seems unlikely but I’d never say never. As you can see in the third photo where men are unloading cans from a box car, there is a heavy canvas (or something) liner in the box car to keep the cans clean. I would think a stock car would be very difficult to keep clean from dust, if nothing else, even with a canvas liner (although I know they used stock cars for shipping grain in a pinch by lining them with plastic sheeting; however, grain is expected to contain a certain amount of dirt content). My dad worked for Continental Can Company and told me that any contamination, like dirt or dust, was sufficient grounds for the consignee to reject the cans, so the can plant was VERY careful about keeping cans clean in shipment. That’s why I doubt that stock cars were ever used, just because of the wind factor and the difficulty in keeping dirt/dust from blowing into the car. But if anyone comes across a picture of a stock car, lined sufficiently to carry cans, I’d sure like to see it.
Doug Paasch
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car Circa 1920 photo of another use for a livestock car: https://calisphere.org/item/6b72bf20ae08e9ac37dc6518e2fdb783/ Caption: "Workers from Richmond-Chase canning company unloading crates of fruit from railroad cars." Use the slider to enlarge the photo. The car belongs to Galveston, Harrisburg & San Antonio Railway, which I believe was a Southern Pacific subsidiary in Texas and Louisiana. The car tag is almost readable and maybe reads "This car was ____ ____ and disinfected". The Richmond-Chase Company became one of the primary fruit canning giants in Santa Clara County, CA. The company maintained four major packing and canning plants in San Jose, and had other agricultural operations in central California, as well as owning several orchards. Plant, circa 1920: http://digitalcollections.sjlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/sjsurc/id/21 Shows several boxcars (at least one SP) apparently loaded with empty cans. Use the slider to enlarge the photo. I can't determine if the SP livestock car has a load of cans. Shipping ready-to-fill cans was not uncommon at one time: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017782124/ Bob Chaparro Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup
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Re: RF&F Sand Hopper
James McDonald
Thanks for the photos, Garth. Very interesting.
Yes, David is correct. The RF&P’s small fleet of sand hoppers were used for transporting locomotive sand between the Kyanite source mine in Dillwyn, Va. to loco facilities at Acca and Potomac Yards. The initial donor cars for the RF&P’s fleet of sand hoppers were taken seemingly at random from the line's pool of two bay open hoppers. Initially the series consisted of RFP 7001-7004, formerly cars RFP 3573, and RFP 3576-3578, which were outside post hoppers. In 1972, as David said, the RF&P bought a series of offset 2 bay hoppers from the B&LE. Originally built in October of 1942, these cars were rehabbed by Ortner before sale to the RF&P. Six of them were taken to be rebuilt into covered hoppers. The ex-BLE cars were numbered 7001-7070* and sand hopper fleet was renumbered RFP 11 to 18. It’s interesting that this car still rides on solid bearing trucks at this date. The RF&P began converting these cars to roller bearing trucks earlier in the 1970s using ones that came off of scrapped boxcars. Consequently, many of these sand hoppers wound up with the unusual configuration of black bodies with blue trucks. All the best, James =-=-= James McDonald Greenbelt, MD. * The series appears to have been numbered up to 7070, although it’s not clear the entire range was ever occupied. Different RF&P internal documents refer to different quantities.
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Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car
Nice photos Bob. Thanks for a great tidbit of info regarding an alternate use of stock cars. Regarding shipping empty cans in stock cars, its seems unlikely but I’d never say never. As you can see in the third photo where men are unloading cans from a box car, there is a heavy canvas (or something) liner in the box car to keep the cans clean. I would think a stock car would be very difficult to keep clean from dust, if nothing else, even with a canvas liner (although I know they used stock cars for shipping grain in a pinch by lining them with plastic sheeting; however, grain is expected to contain a certain amount of dirt content). My dad worked for Continental Can Company and told me that any contamination, like dirt or dust, was sufficient grounds for the consignee to reject the cans, so the can plant was VERY careful about keeping cans clean in shipment. That’s why I doubt that stock cars were ever used, just because of the wind factor and the difficulty in keeping dirt/dust from blowing into the car. But if anyone comes across a picture of a stock car, lined sufficiently to carry cans, I’d sure like to see it.
Doug Paasch
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car Circa 1920 photo of another use for a livestock car: https://calisphere.org/item/6b72bf20ae08e9ac37dc6518e2fdb783/ Caption: "Workers from Richmond-Chase canning company unloading crates of fruit from railroad cars." Use the slider to enlarge the photo. The car belongs to Galveston, Harrisburg & San Antonio Railway, which I believe was a Southern Pacific subsidiary in Texas and Louisiana. The car tag is almost readable and maybe reads "This car was ____ ____ and disinfected". The Richmond-Chase Company became one of the primary fruit canning giants in Santa Clara County, CA. The company maintained four major packing and canning plants in San Jose, and had other agricultural operations in central California, as well as owning several orchards. Plant, circa 1920: http://digitalcollections.sjlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/sjsurc/id/21 Shows several boxcars (at least one SP) apparently loaded with empty cans. Use the slider to enlarge the photo. I can't determine if the SP livestock car has a load of cans. Shipping ready-to-fill cans was not uncommon at one time: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017782124/ Bob Chaparro Moderator Railway Bull Shippers Group https://groups.io/g/RailwayBullShippersGroup
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Re: Plastic Pipe "T"s cored for .012 brass wire
Curt Fortenberry
I believe Trout Creek took over the brass parts from the old Tomalco line. they had some.
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Re: RF&F Sand Hopper
Richard Townsend
I just dug out my “Richmond, Fredericksburg & Potomac in Color” and there’s an almost square on shot of RF&P 14 on page 124.
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On Jan 19, 2020, at 8:00 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Photo: LV Boxcar 72286
Photo: LV Boxcar 72286 Circa 1905 photo: https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2016804745/ Click on one of the "View Larger" tabs to see this car in detail. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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