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Photo: Replacement siding on a reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

Also a new ladder, the result of a classic "cornering" collision, I'm sure.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mit-libraries/3441330455/in/album-72157614966285159/

Dennis Storzek


Photo: PRR Boxcar 104817

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Boxcar 104817

Circa 1956 photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mit-libraries/3442157274/in/album-72157614966285159/

Not anything special. Just a nod to you PRR fans.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations

rdgbuff56
 

I have added the original Branchline Freight Catalog to page 5 of file section of MFCL@....

Photos of all the types and roadnames.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Monday, January 20, 2020, 8:15:10 AM EST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

I need a reminder please regarding the Branchline Blueprint 50-foot boxcars in terms of the variations. I know they produced an 8-foot door car and an insulated car w/a sliding flush door. Note, I am not interested in the more modern cars they did, only the ones that would have the Improved Dreadnaught end variations.

Did they do a 9-foot door or any double door examples? Did the do any with a lower straight side sill?

Thank you
Bill Welch


Re: ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Tony Thompson
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:

I misunderstood the point of the blog….I thought the “AAR” lettering was as adopted by the SP and the lettering below was a further variation.
I would be interested in seeing ARA / MCB full sets of characters and numbers and believe that they existed even if they did not appear in the Annual Proceedings.  As far as I am aware no other “Railroad Roman” freight car stencil drawings have surfaced and the L&P drawings refer to “ARA Standard” lettering without any drawing number reference.  

    I have seen one reference to "AAR Manual" for the complete character set drawing. I have never seen any edition of the Manual, but Guy Wilber may have one -- or know of one.

Tony Thompson




Re: ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I misunderstood the point of the blog….I thought the “AAR” lettering was as adopted by the SP and the lettering below was a further variation.

I would be interested in seeing ARA / MCB full sets of characters and numbers and believe that they existed even if they did not appear in the Annual Proceedings.  As far as I am aware no other “Railroad Roman” freight car stencil drawings have surfaced and the L&P drawings refer to “ARA Standard” lettering without any drawing number reference.  There are, however, two distinctly different in stroke and weight CB&Q “Extended Railroad Roman” styles for passenger equipment per photos but again no drawings have surfaced beyond a  few drawing references.   

I have attached a jpg of the letters that I prepared from CB&Q / ARA drawings along with a sample of one of the original CB&Q drawings.

Charlie Vlk

 

And, of course, there were various interpretations and variations to fit particular applications of the “standard”.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Parker via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 7:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ARA / AAR Standard Letters and Figures for Freight Car Marking

 

I am not sure that I am completely following the discussion here, but it is a topic that has come up before.  At the risk of repeating myself, the "standard" MCB/ARA/AAR Roman letter diagram dates to 1906.  I have seen it reproduced a number of time in several places, and it always contains just three letters (M,C,B) and three numerals (2,7,8).  If anybody as ever seen a more comprehensive character set, I would be glad to learn of it.  But, based on what I have seen, no railroad could have actually conformed to standardized MCB/ARA/AAR lettering because it didn't exist  -- beyond those six example characters that seem only to convey a rather general style of lettering that was adopted as an industry standard.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

Doug Paasch
 

Thanks for sharing that Lee. So the paper lining was sufficient to keep the cans clean even in a stock car?

Doug Paasch

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lee Thwaits
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 10:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

In 40's & at least early 50's cans were hauled in bulk in stock cars from can co. ( in San Jose?) to Prattlow cannery in Santa Clara. Cars were steam cleaned first then lined with heavy craft paper.
Lee Thwaits


Re: Photo: LV Boxcar 72286

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Eric, Bud, and List Members,
 
There were 49 cars listed in this series in the 05-1926 ORER.
 
There were still two (2) cars listed in this series in the 12-1930 ORER.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: LV Boxcar 72286

LV 80212 was part of the 80001-80400 series of 34-foot IL boxcars. Only 48 were listed in the October 1926 ORER.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 8:28 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: LV Boxcar 72286

 

I have this photo a friend gave me a long time ago. An early version of the LV's "wrongway door" boxcar.

    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Matching Colors

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

The CB&Q Aurora, Illinois Testing Laboratories were doing paint sample boards like those in the 1880s.   They had to rely on sunlight and snow/rain/ice to weather them.   I wonder if that is why they were called “Q-Panels”???

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerome (Jerry) Albin
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 1:20 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Matching Colors

 

The technician is not matching paint colors. He is examining painted "Q-Panels" that have been cycled through a UV Weatherometer test machine and/or a salt spray cabinet. The tests accelerate fade and wear characteristics of paint samples.  Regards Jerry Albin


Bx-34 Decals

John Barry
 

I failed to catch a layout error on the S&T decals.  The slogans for cars 140911 and 140317 are on the other cars sheet.  317 should be El Capitan and 911 should be Super Chief.

Limited additional decals are available for $5 for the twelve car numbers included in the project.  Each decal does one complete car and comes with reweigh dates to cover from New 1940 to 1953.  Repack and brake test decals are also provided along with a spare herald and data block.  Contact me directly at NorthBayLines at ATT dot NET.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Matching Colors

Jerome (Jerry) Albin
 

The technician is not matching paint colors. He is examining painted "Q-Panels" that have been cycled through a UV Weatherometer test machine and/or a salt spray cabinet. The tests accelerate fade and wear characteristics of paint samples.  Regards Jerry Albin


Shake N Take 2020 files uploaded to shake-n-take@groups.io

John Barry
 

Gents,

I have uploaded the presentation and copies of the Santa Fe Bx-34 drawings to the Shake_N_Take files.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Monday, January 20, 2020, 01:53:25 PM EST, shake-n-take@groups.io Notification <shake-n-take+notification@groups.io> wrote:


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that the following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the shake-n-take@groups.io group.

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Re: Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations

Ed Hawkins
 



On Jan 20, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I need a reminder please regarding the Branchline Blueprint 50-foot boxcars in terms of the variations. I know they produced an 8-foot door car and an insulated car w/a sliding flush door. Note, I am not interested in the more modern cars they did, only the ones that would have the Improved Dreadnaught end variations.

Did they do a 9-foot door or any double door examples? Did the do any with a lower straight side sill?

Bill,
Branchline Trains (now Atlas) offered HO 50’ AAR box & auto car kits as follows with the side arrangement defined as riveted or welded & the number of side sheets to the left & right of the door opening, respectively.

1000-series: 8’ door openings, riveted 8/8 side sheets
1100-series: 15’ door openings, riveted 5/8 side sheets
1900-series: 9’ door openings, welded 8/8 side sheets
2000-series: 9’ door openings, riveted 8/8 side sheets

The above models came with three configurations of side sill to bolster, crosstie & door reinforcement connections that varied depending on the railroad. The three options of side sill connections were molded integral to the body.

a. Fish-belly from bolster to bolster
b. Straight from bolster to bolster
c. Separate bolster, crosstie & door reinforcement connections (i.e., “tabbed”)

While these three options were generally accurate for many prototype cars, others had straight side sill reinforcements extending from end to end (Northern Pacific one example) that Branchline did not offer & thus require modification by the modeler. 

Branchline also offered two versions of 50’ insulated box cars (RB/RBL).

1700-series: Sliding-flush doors for 8’ openings, riveted 8/8 side sheets
1800-series: Sliding-flush doors for 8’ openings, 4-panel riveted side sheets for 14 side posts & horizontal seams

The 1800-series models represented GARX prototype cars having Duryea underframes. However, the Branchline models came with the same conventional AAR underframe provided in other 50’ box car kits. Recall Jack Spencer’s RP CYC Volume 15 article on modifying one of these models with Duryea underframe.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins




Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

Lee Thwaits
 

In 40's & at least early 50's cans were hauled in bulk in stock cars from can co. ( in San Jose?) to Prattlow cannery in Santa Clara.  Cars were steam cleaned first then lined with heavy craft paper.
Lee Thwaits


Re: Photo: LV Boxcar 72286

Eric Hansmann
 

LV 80212 was part of the 80001-80400 series of 34-foot IL boxcars. Only 48 were listed in the October 1926 ORER.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bud Rindfleisch
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 8:28 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: LV Boxcar 72286

 

I have this photo a friend gave me a long time ago. An early version of the LV's "wrongway door" boxcar.

    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  I worked in a salmon cannery in Anacortes, Wa. in the late 50's/early 60's.
We received box car loads of cans that were packed into very large
cardboard boxes that were on top of a pallet.  The dimensions of the 
box were the size of the pallet on the bottom and about 4 or 5 feet tall.
The pallets were loaded into the box cars with fork lifts and were stacked
two pallets high and pretty much filling the entire box car.  They were
moved to the can loft above and along one side of the cannery and 
stored in long lines on either side of a central aisle.  During canning
operations the pallets of cans were moved to a machine in the loft
and slid off the pallet from the fork lift.  I do not remember if the cans
were unloaded from the box bottom or top (tilted) by the machine -
but that machine fed the can line directly from the can loft to both
canning lines which were run to the actual canning machine and
rammed the salmon into the cans.  The movement of the cans was
done in long open "tubes" similar to current automated canning.  I
can probably find pics of the can loft part of the operation if needed.
                                                                                         - Jim 


Matching Colors

Bob Chaparro
 

Matching Colors

1942 photo from the Library of Congress:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017877998/

Caption "Laboratory worker at the research laboratory at the C & NW RR's [i.e. Chicago and North Western railroad's] 40th Street yard, examining paint samples used on freight cars and coaches of the railroad, Chicago, Ill."

For all you folks who lose sleep over getting the exact color match, here is your spiritual ancestor at work.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: LV Boxcar 72286

Bud Rindfleisch
 

I have this photo a friend gave me a long time ago. An early version of the LV's "wrongway door" boxcar.
    Bud Rindfleisch


Re: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

Douglas Harding
 

Regarding the second photo of Richmond-Chase Company plant: I would speculate the SP stockcar was hauling fruit for unloading. Note it is not coupled to the boxcars that contain cans, indicating it was delivered separately.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io [mailto:RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:52 AM
To: RailwayBullShippersGroup@groups.io
Subject: [RailwayBullShippersGroup] Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

 

Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car

Circa 1920 photo of another use for a livestock car:

https://calisphere.org/item/6b72bf20ae08e9ac37dc6518e2fdb783/

Caption: "Workers from Richmond-Chase canning company unloading crates of fruit from railroad cars."

Use the slider to enlarge the photo.

The car belongs to Galveston, Harrisburg & San Antonio Railway, which I believe was a Southern Pacific subsidiary in Texas and Louisiana.

The car tag is almost readable and maybe reads "This car was ____ ____ and disinfected".

The Richmond-Chase Company became one of the primary fruit canning giants in Santa Clara County, CA. The company maintained four major packing and canning plants in San Jose, and had other agricultural operations in central California, as well as owning several orchards.

Plant, circa 1920:

http://digitalcollections.sjlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/sjsurc/id/21

Shows several boxcars (at least one SP) apparently loaded with empty cans.

Use the slider to enlarge the photo.

I can't determine if the SP livestock car has a load of cans.

Shipping ready-to-fill cans was not uncommon at one time:

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2017782124/

Bob Chaparro

Moderator


Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations

Bill Welch
 
Edited

I need a reminder please regarding the Branchline Blueprint 50-foot boxcars in terms of the variations. I know they produced an 8-foot door car and an insulated car w/a sliding flush door. Note, I am not interested in the more modern cars they did, only the ones that would have the Improved Dreadnaught end variations.

Did they do a 9-foot door or any double door examples? Did the do any with a lower straight side sill?

Thank you
Bill Welch


HO scale freight car kit news

Eric Hansmann
 

New resin kit models and new model kit companies are noted in the latest Resin Car Works blog post. 



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy