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Re: Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

Bill Welch
 

I think the catalog was $7 at the event, more by mail I am sure. I do not know about his email situation.

Bill Welch


Re: Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

lrkdbn
 

That's good news! Do you happen to have the price of this catalog?
Also does he do email?
Larry King


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Cocoa Beach Photos

Eric Hansmann
 

Great photos, Steve. It looks like it was another fun time at The Beach.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: Proto-Layouts@groups.io <Proto-Layouts@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:16 PM
To: Proto-Layouts@groups.io; PassengerCarList@groups.io; MFCL@groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; RockIslandLines@groups.io; shake-n-take@groups.io
Subject: [Proto-Layouts] Cocoa Beach Photos

 

I have placed some photos from  Cocoa Beach 2020 in an album on Flickr at

 

 

Hopefully they are representative of the terrific variety seen there.  Thanks to all who shared their efforts in models, clinics and discussions.  We had a great time.

 

Enjoy,

Steve Hile


Re: PRR G22 question

Tim O'Connor
 


Railmaster is S scale, not so? Did Westerfield make S scale decals?



On 1/21/2020 11:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

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Good Evening All:

Above is the Railmaster brass car.The decals are from the early Westerfield kit.  I was planning to swap the trucks for the Bowser truck.  Any thoughts?

Bill Pardie

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

Bill Welch
 

I recall that recently people were wondering about Keith and his photo collection. In fact he was at PR-2020 selling a catalog of his photos. He no longer has a dark room and has gone digital. Here is his mailing address

D. K. Retterer
1442 East Bank Drive
Marietta, GA 30068

Bill Welch


PRR Boxcars Circa 1900

Bob Chaparro
 

PRR Boxcars Circa 1900

https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2016808290/

Use the "View Larger" tab to enlarge the photo.

Title: "Anchor Line docks and Penna. R.R. [Pennsylvania Railroad] coal & ore docks, Erie, Pa"

Stenciling on some of the cars notes "MCB Couplers" (Master Car Builders) and "Air Brakes".

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: LV Boxcar 72286

G.J. Irwin
 

I'm particularly intrigued by the location of this photo since I can trace my heritage to Hoboken.  If I'm not mistaken, this is the southernmost end of the Hoboken Manufacturers Railroad, later known as the Hoboken Shore Line.  The Holland-America piers were just a couple of blocks north of the Lackawanna's Hoboken Terminal but were served from the north end of Hoboken.

I think this has been shared here before but in case not, or any new folks here... this is a short history of the Hoboken Shore Line.

http://hbs.railfan.net/

George Irwin
www.irwinsjournal.com


Re: Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Francis,

Since many of their cars also fit our period of interest, might we also have a download on our site?

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:28 PM rdgbuff56 via Groups.Io <rdgbuff56=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I downloaded their whole freight car catalog at MFCL group.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 7:40:59 PM UTC, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Branchline -

 8 foot and 9 foot riveted single door 50 foot box cars.

 welded 50 foot single door car with 9 foot doors.

 double door 50 foot box car.

 TWO different insulated box cars with 8 foot doors.

All have separate roofs and ends.



On 1/20/2020 8:12 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
> I need a reminder regarding the Branchline Blueprint 50-foot boxcars
> in terms of the variations. I know they produced an 8-foot door car
> and an insulated car w/a sliding flush door. Note, I am not interested
> in the more modern cars they did, only the ones that would have the
> Improved Dreadnaught end variations.
>
> Did they do a 9-foot door or any double door examples? Did the do any
> with a lower straight side sill?
>
> Thank you
> Bill Welch


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: PRR G22 question

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Right you are Brian.  At least I got the "rail" part right.  

Sorry:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Carlson via Groups.Io" <prrk41361@...>
Date: 1/21/20 7:23 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Heck I’d like to get some of those trucks, if they roll. Railmaster ?? Don’t know them. Did you mean Railworks? 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 21, 2020, at 11:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:



On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

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Good Evening All:

Above is the Railmaster brass car.The decals are from the early Westerfield kit.  I was planning to swap the trucks for the Bowser truck.  Any thoughts?

Bill Pardie


Re: PRR G22 question

Brian Carlson
 

Heck I’d like to get some of those trucks, if they roll. Railmaster ?? Don’t know them. Did you mean Railworks? 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 21, 2020, at 11:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:



On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

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<DSCN2247.jpg>


Good Evening All:

Above is the Railmaster brass car.The decals are from the early Westerfield kit.  I was planning to swap the trucks for the Bowser truck.  Any thoughts?

Bill Pardie


Re: PRR G22 question

ford.donald77 <ford.donald77@...>
 

Bill
In the may 2008 issue of RMC on pages 60-65 by James Kinkaid there are 3 pictures of G22b in container service with three different 
crown type trucks.  One is very much like the trucks on our Railmaster car with the leaf springs in the center
Don Ford 
Cameron MO

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 10:06:52 PM CST, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:




On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

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Good Evening All:

Above is the Railmaster brass car.The decals are from the early Westerfield kit.  I was planning to swap the trucks for the Bowser truck.  Any thoughts?

Bill Pardie


Re: PRR G22 question

WILLIAM PARDIE
 



On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

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Good Evening All:

Above is the Railmaster brass car.The decals are from the early Westerfield kit.  I was planning to swap the trucks for the Bowser truck.  Any thoughts?

Bill Pardie


Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Bill Welch
 

Suggest contacting Gregory King, new owner of the V9 and V10 patterns and kits. His company is Southbound Modelworkd and Decals Co.

https://www.sbmwdco.com/

Bill Welch


Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Clark Cooper
 

Hello,

I recently acquired a Wright Trak Seaboard V10 kit, and a note inside the box refers me to the no-longer-existent web site to download the instructions. I searched the RealSTMFC group files and messages, just in case, but did not see them. Nor could I find them on the Wayback Machine archives of the original Wright Trak web site.

Would some kind soul be willing & able to email me a copy of the instructions?

If so, please send to csc[at]mchsi[dot]com

Thanks!
-Clark Cooper


Re: Photo: Replacement siding on a reefer

 

Tim and All,

The PFE reefer is an R-30-9 with a single beam under frame.

You can tell this by the jacking pad.

Dan Smith


Re: Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations

rdgbuff56
 

I downloaded their whole freight car catalog at MFCL group.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 7:40:59 PM UTC, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Branchline -

 8 foot and 9 foot riveted single door 50 foot box cars.

 welded 50 foot single door car with 9 foot doors.

 double door 50 foot box car.

 TWO different insulated box cars with 8 foot doors.

All have separate roofs and ends.



On 1/20/2020 8:12 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
> I need a reminder regarding the Branchline Blueprint 50-foot boxcars
> in terms of the variations. I know they produced an 8-foot door car
> and an insulated car w/a sliding flush door. Note, I am not interested
> in the more modern cars they did, only the ones that would have the
> Improved Dreadnaught end variations.
>
> Did they do a 9-foot door or any double door examples? Did the do any
> with a lower straight side sill?
>
> Thank you
> Bill Welch


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Branchline Blueprint 50-foot variations

Bill Welch
 

Thanks for your assistance to everyone that responded here and to my personal email.

Bill Welch


USRA week design (was PRR G22 question)

Robert kirkham
 

Good to know. Thanks Eldon.

Raises a more general question for me: I understood USRA cars were viewed negatively for
a) political issues (company having little to no say),
b) and not based on various railway favourite designs.

But I hadn't picked up on it being a weak design. So with the gon's weak design: was that realized later with experience? Or perceived at the get go. I wonder if someone has done a retirement of those gons spreadsheet/summary?

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Rob;

I'm enjoying reading this thread, but two questions come to mind:- when they increase capacity by changing the trucks . . . doesn't that mean the car frame and body are being subjected to higher loads? Is there a sense that cars with the heavier trucks end up wearing out faster than cars with the lower capacity trucks?
Yes, and yes. I read some correspondence on this, and PRR was cognizant of wearing cars out earlier, but went with it where they thought the car capable of taking it. Note that PRR did NOT do this on their USRA gons, a weak design.

- were cars with the containers free roaming - as in across the continent - or prone to PRR turf? I've not seen a photo of one in the Frost collection (West Coast Canada) for example.
They were generally in dedicated service from a cement plant to cement user. A dolomite facility to a steel mill; like that.

Elden Gatwood





-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

My pleasure, Stic.

No one does the G22B per se, it is up to you to dress it up like one!

Here are the DB4 and HB1A containers. The Westy containers are HB1A and HB4. A nice shot in color, in SK P&L (like mine).

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stic Harris
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Thank you all!
Much appreciate the information. And Elden, these photos are gold.
I actually have a set of the Westerfield containers to build and would like to put them in a G22B, so no one will know if my gondola happens to have/not have grates on the bottom.
My understanding is that Westerfield no longer makes the G22s. I've seen several G22s on eBay, but no G22Bs.
So planning on building a G22 and replacing the trucks/stencils with my containers covering the bottom.

Again, many thanks for the group knowledge,

Stic



On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:33 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> > wrote:


Guys;

I believe PRR did a small number of G22B with mesh flooring to minimize the effects of cement build up, but they did not do this on most or all G22B. It is a cool look, but not necessary on your models. They also did an interior that included container "dunnage" to keep the containers in place, like so:

Here are some other container photos.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:57 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> >
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Hi Bruce, Nelson, Stic, and List Members,


I was under the impression that the G22b had openings in the gon floor to allow debris to fall to the tracks, making them more suitable for container service. This can be seen in the images of the Traincat G22b kit linked below.

BlockedBlockedhttp://Blockedwww.traincat2.com/d_gondola.htm <BlockedBlockedhttp://www.traincat2.com/d_gondola.htm>

Am I in error? Is the Traincat kit in error?


Claus Schlund



----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Smith <mailto:smithbf@auburn.edu <mailto:smithbf@auburn.edu> >
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io> <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Stic,

Correct. I believe that the only visible difference is are the 100 ton trucks on the G22B versus the 70 ton Crown trucks on the other subclasses, and, of course, the CAPY, LT WT, and LD LMT stencils, in addition to the subclass stencil.


Regards

Bruce




Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Stic Harris <sticdvm@gmail.com <mailto:sticdvm@gmail.com> <mailto:sticdvm@gmail.com <mailto:sticdvm@gmail.com> > > wrote:

Good morning smart freight car folk,

I know we've had previous discussion on the PRR G22 flat cars, but I've been unable to find an answer to my question.

Besides the trucks, which I know were upgraded, and the stencil indicating the type and capacity of the car, is there any structural or visual difference between the original G22 gondola and the G22B gondola?

That is, if I change the trucks and decals, can I create an accurate G22B from a G22 model?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Stic Harris


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Re: PRR G22 question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

Here are some more "Crown" trucks, from different mfgs, and for different purposes.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 1:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

So, I think there were many trucks on the G22, and yes, one of them looks like an extra beefy 6-spring 2D-F8, but like REALLY beefy. There is also a 100-ton Crown, which you see on some G22B. The 70-ton version of G22 does indeed have a 70-ton Crown, and also another 70-ton truck that also looks like a 2D-f8. It's complicated!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 1:31 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Elden,

Maybe I’m getting it backwards, but I thought that the 100 ton truck on the G22B looked like the classic PRR 2D-F8 or AAR Type Y and the 70 ton truck on the G22 is indeed the PRR Crown (Bowser).

Duplicating that 100 ton truck is a challenge, because it has that deep drop. Picking my poison, I used the 50 ton 2D-P8 because of the side frame shape. Too light, not enough springs, but clearly different from the 70 ton crown on the G22.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


On Jan 21, 2020, at 12:20 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> > wrote:

Bill;

I have not seen one. The closest is the 70-ton Crown from Bowser.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 1:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Is there a correct 100 ton truck available in HO?

Bill Pardie


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Rob;

I'm enjoying reading this thread, but two questions come to mind:- when they increase capacity by changing the trucks . . . doesn't that mean the car frame and body are being subjected to higher loads? Is there a sense that cars with the heavier trucks end up wearing out faster than cars with the lower capacity trucks?
Yes, and yes. I read some correspondence on this, and PRR was cognizant of wearing cars out earlier, but went with it where they thought the car capable of taking it. Note that PRR did NOT do this on their USRA gons, a weak design.

- were cars with the containers free roaming - as in across the continent - or prone to PRR turf? I've not seen a photo of one in the Frost collection (West Coast Canada) for example.
They were generally in dedicated service from a cement plant to cement user. A dolomite facility to a steel mill; like that.

Elden Gatwood





-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

My pleasure, Stic.

No one does the G22B per se, it is up to you to dress it up like one!

Here are the DB4 and HB1A containers. The Westy containers are HB1A and HB4. A nice shot in color, in SK P&L (like mine).

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stic Harris
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:24 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Thank you all!
Much appreciate the information. And Elden, these photos are gold.
I actually have a set of the Westerfield containers to build and would like to put them in a G22B, so no one will know if my gondola happens to have/not have grates on the bottom.
My understanding is that Westerfield no longer makes the G22s. I've seen several G22s on eBay, but no G22Bs.
So planning on building a G22 and replacing the trucks/stencils with my containers covering the bottom.

Again, many thanks for the group knowledge,

Stic



On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:33 AM Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> > wrote:


Guys;

I believe PRR did a small number of G22B with mesh flooring to minimize the effects of cement build up, but they did not do this on most or all G22B. It is a cool look, but not necessary on your models. They also did an interior that included container "dunnage" to keep the containers in place, like so:

Here are some other container photos.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:57 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> >
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Hi Bruce, Nelson, Stic, and List Members,


I was under the impression that the G22b had openings in the gon floor to allow debris to fall to the tracks, making them more suitable for container service. This can be seen in the images of the Traincat G22b kit linked below.

BlockedBlockedhttp://Blockedwww.traincat2.com/d_gondola.htm <BlockedBlockedhttp://www.traincat2.com/d_gondola.htm>

Am I in error? Is the Traincat kit in error?


Claus Schlund



----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Smith <mailto:smithbf@auburn.edu <mailto:smithbf@auburn.edu> >
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io> <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G22 question

Stic,

Correct. I believe that the only visible difference is are the 100 ton trucks on the G22B versus the 70 ton Crown trucks on the other subclasses, and, of course, the CAPY, LT WT, and LD LMT stencils, in addition to the subclass stencil.


Regards

Bruce




Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Stic Harris <sticdvm@gmail.com <mailto:sticdvm@gmail.com> <mailto:sticdvm@gmail.com <mailto:sticdvm@gmail.com> > > wrote:

Good morning smart freight car folk,

I know we've had previous discussion on the PRR G22 flat cars, but I've been unable to find an answer to my question.

Besides the trucks, which I know were upgraded, and the stencil indicating the type and capacity of the car, is there any structural or visual difference between the original G22 gondola and the G22B gondola?

That is, if I change the trucks and decals, can I create an accurate G22B from a G22 model?

Thanks in advance for any information,

Stic Harris


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