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Standard Steel Drawing List

Bob Webber
 

I have an updated Standard Steel drawing list.  This list is both freight (from SS-0 - SS-99999) and Passenger (SS-100000 and above).

It can be found here:
http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/

FAQ:
  • Yes, there are a lot of inconsistencies - so's your old ma..er...Sometimes that's us, sometimes the original.  When this started over 20 years ago, there was no style sheet.  Come to think of it, there is none now.  
  • Yes, there are likely a lot of misspellings, incorrect abbreviations, and uncapitalized names.   Yep.  Yep.  I caught a lot of misspellings, but there are more lurking
  • The Metadata engine has no spell check, no mass replacement, and it can't figure out what the hell a Pries roof is.  Neither can I
  • This is ONLY Standard Steel.  Only 4500 or so drawings that have been scanned.   Yes I plan on doing Pullman Freight & Passenger, Osgood Bradley, Budd, Haskell & Barker and maybe Boeing, Ford and Airbus.  Not today
  • Don't see something that is referenced in a drawing - send me a private message.  Don't see something you want?  Ditto.  Don't see ACF?  Call St. Louis
  • You want full resolution tifs available for downloading free?  Meet me at the bar in the Cocoa Beach Hilton tonight - it may take me a while to get there, but we can talk about it then.
  • You want to order something but don't know how or how much? See http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/orderinfo.htm and https://www.irm.org/pullmanlibrary/price-list/ and http://www.pullmanlibrary.org/Form%20Customer%20Service%202.pdf
  • Want WHAT WHEN?????????   Meet me in the bar at the Cocoa Beach Hilton in 5 minutes...bring lots of unmarked bills...big denomination bills...i.e. CASH....I'll be there ASAP...Mike? When is the RPM next year?

All this is done by volunteers.  Multiple volunteers.  That means their input style is different, as is their spelling, abbreviations, etc.  No kidding tho - the originals are rife with the same thing.  Remember all this is supposed to happen with the work done in 1 6 hour day a week.  

We've added over 1000 Standard Steel drawings in the past 6 months.  We have other work happening all the time, including preparing for the big move.  

And remember, just like that good old cook on the AT&SF - be careful what you criticize, you will be given the job!

Bob Webber


Re: Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:25 AM, Jeff wrote:
The description says the sign is "painted on" -
Well, it is "painted on"... on the negative, that is.

Dennis Storzek


A Day at the Car Shops

Martin Skrzetuszewski
 

Hi All,
Just found this 53 minute plus, B&W film shot in 1951 in the NYC Despatch Car Shops showing boxcar construction. I have only watched 29 minutes so far but it looks good:
https://videoplayer.telvue.com/player/FcqTL0OYMCGU6WlccUApyUL3twz4dm9V/media/456833

Enjoy!
Best regards,
Martin Skrzetuszewski
London (England)


Re: Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Jeff
 

The description says the sign is "painted on" - but it looks like a nailed on banner, until you look at the nailheads and realize they are just black blobs in the same color as the sign wording. 


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 10:07 AM Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend=netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:
I think the banner was a fake, added by an artist to the photo or negative, not really on the car.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2020 9:30 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Same car before the banner was attached.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



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Re: Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Richard Townsend
 

I think the banner was a fake, added by an artist to the photo or negative, not really on the car.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2020 9:30 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Same car before the banner was attached.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Bob Chaparro
 

Same car before the banner was attached.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15799coll170/id/35089/rec/2

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Painting color help

fred huss
 

I'm working on 2 resin kits and about ready to paint but, not sure what colors to use.
One model  is 53'6" 51101-51600 series Southern Flat,  the other is a B&O(ex BR&P) wood side gon which will be lettered for the B&O. 
I model early 1950s.  Thanks for your consideration. 
Fred Huss


Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP/OSL Boxcar 18761

Taken in 1931 at Los Angeles.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/p15799coll170/id/35517/rec/381

Use slider to enlarge photo.

Promotional photo for Maxwell House Coffee.

Banner reads "Straight Car". Anyone familiar with the term?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ATSF BX-11,12, and13 rebuild question

Randy Hammill
 

Hi, James -

Somehow I missed this message earlier. To clarify:

For the ATSF cars in this project we are doing:
  • Bx-11, -12, and -13 in their original configuration
  • Bx-11 and -12 rebuilt (or modified might be a better term) 1941-2 with 8" roof extension
  • Bx-11 and -12 modified in 1942-3 with 12" roof extension
  • Bx-11 and -13 classes rebuilt with steel sides, the Bx-13s started in 1950, the Bx-11s in 1956.

Available with era specific details and painting and lettering for the life of the cars. 

In a future era, the Bx-12 classes rebuilt with steel sides '63-'64 appear to all have been two variations, one with a "plug" door as Bx-85 cars, and others with Transco siding, in class Bx-86. These cars are not included in this project...yet. We have to raise our initial funding before we consider adding anything else to the project. But these cars, along with some other variations of the PM/C&O cars are under consideration should we raise enough to cover the additional tooling.

The rest of the cars currently in scope for this project:
Box Cars
  • RI 141000-142999 series Pratt truss single sheathed box cars
  • PM 89350-90349 series Pratt truss box cars (converted from auto cars)
  • C&O 289350-290349 series Pratt truss box cars (converted from auto cars)

Auto Cars
  • CGW 80000-80978 series Pratt truss auto cars
  • L&N 46000-46399 series Pratt truss auto cars
  • PM 89350-90349 series tall Pratt truss auto cars
  • C&O 289450-290349 series tall Pratt truss auto cars

Remember that we have a special 20% off deal for members of this list available here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/2565226/x/22782899?secret_perk_token=00cefdf9

Join our community of Backers and let's make some models!

Randy

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: NYC box car with a star on it

Tim O'Connor
 


While that is true, I wonder if it simply implies a car with tight floors and walls
appropriate for clean lading that doesn't require a lot of dunnage (that could harm
the walls and floors).

Later NYC cars had a yellow circle with a black "A" - is that basically the same thing?

Tim O'Connor


On 1/22/2020 6:48 PM, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:

Doug, from CanadaSouthern.com notes on NYC painting and lettering notes “A STAR under the oval herald indicates car used in grain service as per note #2 in drawing book J-56487” 
I have a copy of the drawing book on my other computer. I would have to look up more details if needed. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN


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Re: NYC box car with a star on it

Doug Paasch
 

Thank you Seth.  This info is sufficient for my purposes.

 

  Doug Paasch

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Seth Lakin via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 4:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NYC box car with a star on it

 

Doug, from CanadaSouthern.com notes on NYC painting and lettering notes “A STAR under the oval herald indicates car used in grain service as per note #2 in drawing book J-56487” 
I have a copy of the drawing book on my other computer. I would have to look up more details if needed. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN

 


Re: NYC box car with a star on it

Seth Lakin
 

Doug, from CanadaSouthern.com notes on NYC painting and lettering notes “A STAR under the oval herald indicates car used in grain service as per note #2 in drawing book J-56487” 
I have a copy of the drawing book on my other computer. I would have to look up more details if needed. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN

 


NYC box car with a star on it

Doug Paasch
 

I just bought a Bachmann Silver Series (15009) box car, NYC 164613, stamped BLT 10-47.  Under the oval “NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM” logo is a 5-pointed star about 10 scale inches wide.  Does anyone know what the star means?  This is not an REA car with an attendant or anything.  Just a regular 40’ box car.

 

Thanks,

   Doug Paasch


Re: Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

Bob Webber
 

Yes to both - I'd have to locate his e-mail - I owe him a message.   His catalog was, I think, $10 at the show - and, to be honest, worth it in terms of matching with Eric's work to get a better understanding. 


At 01:34 PM 1/22/2020, lrkdbn via Groups.Io wrote:
That's good news! Do you happen to have the price of this catalog?
Also does he do email?
Larry King

Bob Webber


Re: Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

Bob Webber
 

Bill, thanks.   Steve Hile had been looking to contact him and finally made the connection a month or  so ago - then suggested he might be interested in the Cocoa Beach show.  Keith said yes he would, and I was very happy to see him there.


At 12:27 PM 1/22/2020, Bill Welch wrote:
I recall that recently people were wondering about Keith and his photo collection. In fact he was at PR-2020 selling a catalog of his photos. He no longer has a dark room and has gone digital. Here is his mailing address

D. K. Retterer
1442 East Bank Drive
Marietta, GA 30068

Bill Welch

Bob Webber


Re: Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

Bill Welch
 

I think the catalog was $7 at the event, more by mail I am sure. I do not know about his email situation.

Bill Welch


Re: Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

lrkdbn
 

That's good news! Do you happen to have the price of this catalog?
Also does he do email?
Larry King


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Cocoa Beach Photos

Eric Hansmann
 

Great photos, Steve. It looks like it was another fun time at The Beach.

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: Proto-Layouts@groups.io <Proto-Layouts@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:16 PM
To: Proto-Layouts@groups.io; PassengerCarList@groups.io; MFCL@groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; RockIslandLines@groups.io; shake-n-take@groups.io
Subject: [Proto-Layouts] Cocoa Beach Photos

 

I have placed some photos from  Cocoa Beach 2020 in an album on Flickr at

 

 

Hopefully they are representative of the terrific variety seen there.  Thanks to all who shared their efforts in models, clinics and discussions.  We had a great time.

 

Enjoy,

Steve Hile


Re: PRR G22 question

Tim O'Connor
 


Railmaster is S scale, not so? Did Westerfield make S scale decals?



On 1/21/2020 11:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

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Good Evening All:

Above is the Railmaster brass car.The decals are from the early Westerfield kit.  I was planning to swap the trucks for the Bowser truck.  Any thoughts?

Bill Pardie

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Keith Retterer at CCB/Prototype Rsils 2020

Bill Welch
 

I recall that recently people were wondering about Keith and his photo collection. In fact he was at PR-2020 selling a catalog of his photos. He no longer has a dark room and has gone digital. Here is his mailing address

D. K. Retterer
1442 East Bank Drive
Marietta, GA 30068

Bill Welch

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