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Re: Photos: 140 Foot Tank On 3 Flatcars

John Barry
 

There aren’t many possibilities.  We can eliminate the short FM and FG cars, as well as the FD and FW cars.  That leaves the following FM flats from the Oct44 ORER list of Heavy Capacity Flat Cars

C&O 80950-80959             56’9

Erie 7220-7224   50’9

NYC 499000, 499007       40’10

NYC 499015-499019         35’6 (probably not)

NYC 499035-499039         34’8 (probably not)

NYC 499041-499042         47’

NYC&StL 2900-2901         50’9

PRR 470100-470199         50”

PRR 470200-470202         45’

PRR 470206-470235         50’

P&LE 6885-6889                36’7

SP 44091-44094                 45’

And a longer FG

C&NW 48051, 48053       45’

I'm not familiar with all of the HD flats, but this should narrow the search as it's likely that several of the above don't have the double truck bolsters.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 06:32:23 PM EST, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:


On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:09 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Can anyone see whose flat cars they are? I can't read any of the cars.
No luck, the scans are rather low-rez and details just disappear into pixel legos as I zoom in.  What may be reporting marks  appear just left of center of the left-hand car in the first photo. That area resolves to what seem to be three characters.
This car, closest to the camera in the two outdoor photos, seems to have a cast steel body, which brings the Commonwealth CNW/PRR/SP 44' 200 ton cars that have been modeled in several scales to mind. However, unless it's an illusion caused by photo lens and angle, the car appears somewhat longer, and the trucks seem to have the proportions of 5'6"+ wb, rather than the 5'0" of at least the PRR and C&NW cars.  The truck sideframes are flat-topped, lacking the characteristic arch of the 5'0" 100 ton trucks.  So maybe a similar cast car, but say 47-50' length?
Who else had similar cars? NYC and D&H come to mind, but I don't have hard data or photos at hand.
The car bearing the other end of the load, closest to the camera, is different - riveted construction, and with stake pockets, which we don't often see on very heavy-duty flats.  The welding flare obscures what I think are the marks and number.
Hope these clues help somebody recognize these...

BTW, it's not " William Boiler & Manufacturing Company", but "William Bros...", and Bros is a name, not the abbreviation for brothers. They also made snowplows, some for railroads.

Jack Mullen


Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Allen Cain
 

Clark,

I suspect that you already got what you were looking for but here is another copy of the instructions and a few pictures that I have collected off of the internet.  If you have other pics I would appreciate copies.

Allen Cain


Video of someone assembling a boxcar

Dave Nelson
 

Doesn’t look like a Sunshine  kit but interesting none the less as the steps are about the same.  No superglue.

 

https://videoplayer.telvue.com/player/FcqTL0OYMCGU6WlccUApyUL3twz4dm9V/media/456833

 

Dave Nelson


Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Bill Welch
 

Here are a couple of Jack Parker photos made in Toronto: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/photo/43681/0?p=Name,,sal+v9,20,1,0,0

Given the slight curve on the top cord of the Andrews trucks, I think the Life-Like now Walthers Andrews is good for this model.

Bill Welch


Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Clark Cooper
 

Thanks Bill!

-Clark Cooper


On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I have sent Gregory at Southbound Modelworkd and Decals Co. my pictorial diary of my v9/v10 build for use on his website. Photos used to be on the old resin builder Yahoo group. Hopefully they will appear soon. I can tell the the doors on the WT kit are way too thick and need to be reduced in thickness by about two-thirds for a more scale appearance. Also, if you are doing the model with vent door in vent position that part needs to be adjusted so it will sit in the door opening. For screening I used stainless steel screen material from a French Coffee press. These can be found as replacement parts from "Bodum" and other companies that sell this type of coffee brewer and on Amazon.

Bill Welch


Re: Grandt Line - San Juan - American Limited - etc

Scott
 

I will believe it when I see it from those guys.

Scott McDonald 


Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Bill Welch
 

I have sent Gregory at Southbound Modelworkd and Decals Co. my pictorial diary of my v9/v10 build for use on his website. Photos used to be on the old resin builder Yahoo group. Hopefully they will appear soon. I can tell the the doors on the WT kit are way too thick and need to be reduced in thickness by about two-thirds for a more scale appearance. Also, if you are doing the model with vent door in vent position that part needs to be adjusted so it will sit in the door opening. For screening I used stainless steel screen material from a French Coffee press. These can be found as replacement parts from "Bodum" and other companies that sell this type of coffee brewer and on Amazon.

Bill Welch


Re: Grandt Line - San Juan - American Limited - etc

Ken Adams
 

I had to resort to eBay and high prices and shipping to get some critical freight door sets that were not duplicated by Tichy or any other supplier.  My local hobby shop has all but given up on SJD as a supplier. 

My advice for architectural details is to check the equivalent on Tichy's list before waiting forever for SJD to get their act together with the former Grandt Line parts.


Re: Photos: 140 Foot Tank On 3 Flatcars

Jack Mullen
 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:09 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Can anyone see whose flat cars they are? I can't read any of the cars.
No luck, the scans are rather low-rez and details just disappear into pixel legos as I zoom in.  What may be reporting marks  appear just left of center of the left-hand car in the first photo. That area resolves to what seem to be three characters.
This car, closest to the camera in the two outdoor photos, seems to have a cast steel body, which brings the Commonwealth CNW/PRR/SP 44' 200 ton cars that have been modeled in several scales to mind. However, unless it's an illusion caused by photo lens and angle, the car appears somewhat longer, and the trucks seem to have the proportions of 5'6"+ wb, rather than the 5'0" of at least the PRR and C&NW cars.  The truck sideframes are flat-topped, lacking the characteristic arch of the 5'0" 100 ton trucks.  So maybe a similar cast car, but say 47-50' length?
Who else had similar cars? NYC and D&H come to mind, but I don't have hard data or photos at hand.
The car bearing the other end of the load, closest to the camera, is different - riveted construction, and with stake pockets, which we don't often see on very heavy-duty flats.  The welding flare obscures what I think are the marks and number.
Hope these clues help somebody recognize these...

BTW, it's not " William Boiler & Manufacturing Company", but "William Bros...", and Bros is a name, not the abbreviation for brothers. They also made snowplows, some for railroads.

Jack Mullen


Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Clark Cooper
 

Hi Bruce,

I tried that first. It has some instruction sheets, but not for this particular kit.

However, Paul Bizier came to the rescue and sent me a scan of his instruction sheet.

Thanks.
-Clark Cooper

On Jan 26, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:

Clark Cooper wrote:

I recently acquired a Wright Trak Seaboard V10 kit, and a note inside the box refers me to the no-longer-existent web site to download the instructions. I searched the RealSTMFC group files and messages, just in case, but did not see them. Nor could I find them on the Wayback Machine archives of the original Wright Trak web site.

Have you tried looking at the Internet Archive to see if they have the page? Go to <https://archive.org/> and enter the URL in the search field. I've been surprised at how many dead websites are stored there.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /





Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

Clark Cooper wrote:

I recently acquired a Wright Trak Seaboard V10 kit, and a note inside the box refers me to the no-longer-existent web site to download the instructions. I searched the RealSTMFC group files and messages, just in case, but did not see them. Nor could I find them on the Wayback Machine archives of the original Wright Trak web site.
Have you tried looking at the Internet Archive to see if they have the page? Go to <https://archive.org/> and enter the URL in the search field. I've been surprised at how many dead websites are stored there.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /


Re: Grandt Line - San Juan - American Limited - etc

Bill Welch
 

Ask them when they will ship the items promised to me by Grandt Line that they were not able to send me when GL handed the box of items off to them when they closed. They never answer the phone, never respond to messages or to my emails.

Bill Welch


Re: Photos: 140 Foot Tank On 3 Flatcars

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tony,
 
I can’t read any of them either, but the lead flat in the first two images looks very much like the 200 ton four-truck SP flat (44083 or 44093 I think) shown at the top of the Mt. Vernon Car Mfg. Co. ad (or perhaps catalog page) posted by Tim O’Connor earlier today.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 3:09 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 140 Foot Tank On 3 Flatcars
 
     Can anyone see whose flat cars they are? I can't read any of the cars.
 
Tony Thompson
tony@...
 

 


Re: Photos: 140 Foot Tank On 3 Flatcars

Tony Thompson
 


Re: Painting color help

hubert mask
 

Tim I have the Decals for the black southern flat.
Maskislanddecals.com

On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


Black for the Southern flat car

On 1/23/2020 12:15 PM, fred huss via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm working on 2 resin kits and about ready to paint but, not sure what colors to use.
One model is 53'6" 51101-51600 series Southern Flat, the other is a B&O(ex BR&P) wood side gon which will be lettered for the B&O.
I model early 1950s. Thanks for your consideration.
Fred Huss


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



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Re: American Unlimited 16,000 Tank Car

Allan Smith
 

Santa Fe Tank Cars Rolling Stock Reference Series Volume Five Page 84 has a drawing of the Tk-O,N Tank cars. The tank is 96" in diameter and 44' 73/8" over tank heads.


Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 05:57:13 PM PST, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:




Photos: 140 Foot Tank On 3 Flatcars

Bob Chaparro
 


Grandt Line - San Juan - American Limited - etc

Tim O'Connor
 

At the Springfield train show I talked to the new owners of Grandt Line's
products - they're bringing back many items but the one I was most interested
in was the AB BRAKE SET - He said they tweaked their machinery to get the
several brake wheels in each set to cast properly, and that they would now
be in production again!

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Painting color help

Tim O'Connor
 

Black for the Southern flat car

On 1/23/2020 12:15 PM, fred huss via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm working on 2 resin kits and about ready to paint but, not sure what colors to use.
One model  is 53'6" 51101-51600 series Southern Flat, the other is a B&O(ex BR&P) wood side gon which will be lettered for the B&O.
I model early 1950s.  Thanks for your consideration.
Fred Huss
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: American Unlimited 16,000 Tank Car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


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Is this the car?

Bill Pardie

19201 - 19220 of 188713