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Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scanning?
mel perry
of course, it has historical value and should be
preserved and scanned, there appears to be no shortage of volunteers for the project, i would just add, that who/whomever is chosen, doesn't ise this item ad a means of extortion, ideally it should be posted to the web with "copy" super imposed on each page, that way it can be viewed by everyone, and if someone chooses to purchase copy or copies, at a reasonable price they can.do so, storing it someplace which is not acceptable, unless they have to travel a distance, is a form of elitism, give the public a chance, at least to view the documents with other options, notice i said "reasonable prices", i already know where this is headed mel perry
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Re: ADMIN RE: [RealSTMFC] New eBay listing
Dave Nelson
What is missing from the long established rules is the situation where a list member sees something for sale from some unknown third party and believes the item may be of general interest to other members. For many years I would forward inventory announcements from used booksellers for CBC’s and CBD’s. In every case I did not know anything about the seller much less have a financial interest. No one ever complained.
IMO the rules should allow the above situation and if so it should be documented in the rules.
Dave Nelson
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 6:22 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main+owner@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: ADMIN RE: [RealSTMFC] New eBay listing
Hi Folks,
The relevant rules are below. Permit me to summarize: 1. We permit the announcement of freight car-related items for sale. These announcements should be kept to a minimum, and inquiries directed off-list. 2. COMPANIES who wish to announce freight car-related items for sale shall post their announcements between noon Friday EST and Saturday 11:59PM EST.
In my judgement, Clark Propst’s email meets the spirit and the letter of the rules.
Regards,
-Jeff Aley, Deputy Moderator, STMFC
“Announcements of frt car related items for sale are permitted BUT actual lists of items should be made available from the seller upon request rather than in the message. Announcements of such sales should be kept at a minimum. The primary objective of the group is to exchange information concerning the subject.
Messages regarding the selling of products as part of a commercial enterprise must be sent during the period of noon Friday EST and Saturday midnight EST.
Each seller is allowed one message unless a correction is needed. Seller messages MUST include OFF GROUP addresses for replies. Replies by members to seller messages MUST be OFF GROUP.”
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
I read the group description and goals and see no mention of selling, etc. I would prefer this group NOT become flea market but still welcome someone selling kits or completed cars, parts or being made aware of new products. Some folks don't have a lot of contacts in which to be informed about things so we should be able to share here.
I would appreciate having a moderator get in this conversation with a YEA or NAY for us.
Thanks,
Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works
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Re: ADMIN RE: [RealSTMFC] New eBay listing
Bill Welch
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 03:08 PM, mel perry wrote:
. . .or build something. Bill Welch
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Re: ADMIN RE: [RealSTMFC] New eBay listing
mel perry
as long as the poster follows the tules, then there is no problem, if yoiu don't like the post or object to it, DELETE it, DON'T turn it into a mountain, get a life folks, turn off your computer, and get some fresh air my .02 worth mel perry
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 6:22 PM Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:
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Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scanning?
np328
First a reply to the original question: Yes, I think it is worth preserving.
Why. Of the value: At one time...… I had AAR documents copied at the MNHS, and did presentations on them at the Naperville and CCB meets, many years ago. 1) I asked at the time, of the MNHS staff on any copyrights that might be on these (1956,1957) AAR documents. They came back with the declaration that these were reports complied and released - directly into the public domain. (Thus fully supporting the last part of Tony's post.) 2) I had these (photo-copied from the MNHS) pages of the AAR reports over this 15 month period. My wife talked about cleaning up the house a bit and as I felt I was done with these, have given the presentations years prior, they got recycled. About a year later, a young railfan I met at one of my historical societies events asked me if he could see the reports. I looked and then recalled I tossed them. To him, and possibly others on this list, there was great value. The AAR reports came out bi-monthly and gave traffic loading, crop reports and car loadings of these wheat, fruit, and vegetable loadings, industry strikes, (steel mills), car shortages, import export loadings, steel, iron ore, coal loadings, listed the two week time regional frames. Also when the farm implement builders went on vacation (that was a surprise) and how this eased the flat and gon loadings. I used this principally to show on the reefer loadings and how reefers were busiest in fall, winter, and spring, when carrying protected shipments, keeping them warm. I do recall one person telling me that the presentation was OK, except that he doesn't model winter. (I suppose this person might think that on the real railroads the hand of God takes these reefers and packs them in drawers someplace and all those reefers magically disappear during his modeled time.) In hindsight, the value I thought I had wrung out of these documents, others may still see and I ways I never envisioned. If you do not want to do this and the binder (rusted you say) has no value, send them to me and I will scan them at our archives. (four by? scanner) The only thing I will ask for is a copy of the electronic data. The pages once released, would be returned to you for what ever disposition you decide. Jim Dick - St. Paul
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Re: Another new (?) vendor at Springfield
mopacfirst
In generic terms, a pretty realistic heat exchanger. The 'shell and tube' nomenclature comes from the fact that the 'shell', the part from the double sets of flanges back toward the end, contains a set of tubes that are connected to the 'channel', the part from that double set of flanges forward to the head. The head has two grabs on it, and it's suspended by a davit for use in holding it when it's unbolted for servicing. So fluid A goes in and out of the nozzles on top and bottom of the channel. They're more commonly directly opposite each other, but could be offset as here. There's a baffle that makes that fluid go through the tubes, and either heat or be heated / cool or be cooled by fluid B, which goes in and out of the two larger nozzles on the shell. The third nozzle on the shell is either a vent or is a side stream going somewhere else.
Most 6' diameter heat exchangers don't have nozzles that are quite that long, but that's just a matter of proportions. All in all, at least it looks like it's a real piece of equipment with primer coat instead of an oversized piece of junk that fell from the 87:1 sky like some loads do. Ron Merrick (not a heat transfer engineer, but I know a few)
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Re: New eBay listing
Bob Chapman
Even if I'm not in the market, I appreciate seeing the eBay listings, especially when the models are exemplary such as the current listing. I almost always learn something or at least get a bit of inspiration by checking out photos of the models. And as a potential future seller, the final sale price is useful insight for when the time comes.
Keep 'em coming!
Bob Chapman
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Re: ADMIN RE: [RealSTMFC] New eBay listing
Just a simple suggestion - Make a SEPARATE groups.io list that initially includes ONLY the members of RealSTMFC - to be the "want to buy - want to sell" list for this group of people. And as always, keep all transaction details off list. If people don't want to belong or want no email, they can take care of it with the email that is sent by groups.io. It also means we don't eat up RealSTMFC photo or file space for sales or purchases. Tim O'Connor
On 1/27/2020 9:22 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Another new (?) vendor at Springfield
Also, any comments on the TIE DOWNS on this load. It seems to me that the blocking would not prevent longitudinal movements. Should there be additional strapping from stake pocket to stake pocket on opposite sides of the car? Tim O'Connor
On 1/28/2020 1:49 PM, Stic Harris wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Does anyone use resin brake components?
Excellent point Ron! Replacement parts for many plastic kits really uses up the stash of brake components.
Byron Rose (Pittsburgh Scale Models) packaged both his detailed coupler gear box (that everyone has now copied!) and a 3-set of AB brake components that are highly detailed. Way better looking than Tichy parts for example. Tim O' where the supplied triple valve just looks like a cube.I have always saved them and used them on kits like Intermountain Ron Merrick -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Another new (?) vendor at Springfield
Stic Harris
Pretty neat. Thank you Tim. Can anyone comment on dates of use for something like this "heat exchanger"? Stic Harris
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:42 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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RR Wreck ...plus
Bob Webber
Interesting in that the two prime cars are both UP Auto
cars...the end and side views (different series, but..) Note that
there is stenciling on the end (bottom)
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https://aadl.org/node/354866
At 11:58 AM 1/28/2020, Jeff Ward wrote: Interesting photo of the scrap rubber drive posted by Bob Chaparro.
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Another new (?) vendor at Springfield
I forgot to mention these guys - 3-D printed items of very high quality
at very reasonable prices! I bought this Heat Exchanger kit - https://dmcrrproducts.com/product/fcl-14000-ho-6d-x-45l-shell-tube-heat-exchanger-kit/ Tim O' -- *Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scanning?
Tony Thompson
Dennis Storzek wrote: No Copyright declaration that I've found, yet. I wouldn't expect one. Back when the owner of a work actually had to pay money to secure copyright protection, typically only things intended to make money, like books and magazines, were copyrighted. Most railroad publications were not copyrighted, including annual reports, employee magazines, brochures, timetables, etc. etc. Prior to 1978, if a copyright notice had not been inserted into the publication, it went straight into public domain. You will notice such an absence in almost any railroad-published document. The same is true of most AAR documents I have seen. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car
Jeff Ward
Interesting photo of the scrap rubber drive posted by Bob Chaparro.
https://aadl.org/sites/default/files/photos/N082_0371_001.jpg Of note (to me at least) is the Durea underframe slack adjuster mechanism under the right side of the door. Jeff Ward Norwalk, CT
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X28A
mopacfirst
Elden:
Thanks. That's clearer than the F&C drawing. Ron Merrick
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Re: Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10
Eric Hansmann
Here’s some info on a few Seaboard ventilated boxcar classes. Wright Trak had produced the V9 and V10 class cars as HO scale resin kit models. The Seaboard Air Line installed 2,150 V9 class ventilated boxcars in 1922. The Chickasaw Car & Shipbuilding built 1,250 cars (28000-29249) and Pressed Steel Car built an additional 900 cars (89000-89899). SAL added another 1,000 cars in 1923 of the V10 class, all built by Pressed Steel Car (79000-79999). The V8 class cars were built by Pressed Steel Car in 1914 (27500-27961). These had a fishbelly side sill. Other early SAL ventilated boxcars also had a fishbelly side sill. Larry Goolsby wrote about the Seaboard ventilated boxcar fleet in the 1st Q 1998 issue of Lines South. The January 1943 ORER lists 3,046 ventilated boxcars on the SAL. 27000-27961 - 9 cars (possibly V8 class) A note indicates all these cars were equipped with Wine ventilators. The 1943 SAL ventilated boxcar fleet was the third largest. Central of Georgia (3,647) and Atlantic Coast Line (3,244) were the top two. The total of all CoG, ACL, and SAL ventilated cars was 72% of the 13,810 US railroad ventilated boxcars in the 1943 ORER.
Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 8:44 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Requesting instructions for Wright Trak Seaboard V10
Lark Cooper wrote: While I’m not a y'all road modeler, one of these neat cars could occasionally make an appearance.
That could be said even if you were modeling some of the roads in Eastern Canada.
Cordialy, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Unloading Fruit From A Livestock Car (UTLX tank car)
Inflammable vs. Flammable The third image link shows a tank car with a placard that reads "Inflammable". Both flammable and inflammable mean "capable of being easily ignited and of burning quickly". In the 1920s the National Fire Protection Association urged Americans to start using the word flammable to avoid confusion and prevent fires because they thought people may mistake inflammable as meaning not being able to burn. Sometime in the 1950s the ICC's regulations shifted to require the use of "Flammable" on placards. Perhaps someone knows the exact year. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Book of historical drawings; is it worth scanning?
On Jan 27, 2020, at 19:55, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@mchsi.com> wrote:
[in re: a classic text] What say you?Regardless of its particular value to prototype modelers as a reference, it's still One of Those Treasures. Something like that deserves a copy camera rather than a flatbed scanner, and a lo-cal University may have one, with a program in preservation to operate it. It may be appropriate for a grad internship. — FUNEM SVFM FUNEX SVFX OKMNX
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Re: New eBay listing
Clark Propst
My apologies for posting during the week. I knew 'sale' posts were to be on the weekend. Unfortunately, the model was finished in then.
It's a sad fact that more freight car collections are being liquidated. This forum is the prefect place to offer those models when by the list rules, because we are the market. CW Propst
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