Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
Fritz Milhaupt
Black ends surviving the first repainting seems pretty uncommon among C&O and Pere Marquette boxcars, from most photos I've seen, and recollections of friends who frequented yards in the '40s and '50s.
- Fritz Milhaupt
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Bill and Brian, These cars were covered in an article by Pat Wider in RPC 19. Pullman builder's photos show the ends as black. The trucks also appear to be black, so the underframe probably was too. No solid information on the roof. I photographed NKP 8099 at Noblesville, Indiana in 1978, and do not remember black ends. From another photo of this car in Wider's article, and other in-service photos of its sisters, it appears that the black (probably car cement) wore off over time, or if the cars were repainted they were done in all-FCR. The trucks were a rusty color by 1978. This car was probably on its way to the now-relocated Indiana Museum of Transport and Communications, also in Noblesville. Let's hope it survived that museum's relocation. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:27 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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Re: NYO&W
Todd Sullivan
And Bob Mohowski, devoted O&W modeler, who is still probably lurking about in Upstate New York.
Todd Sullivan Rowlett, TX
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
Bill Ends black, Underbody black, Trucks black (unpainted castings). Roof unclear. The running board is unpainted galvanized. The seam caps look painted. The entire roof may be freight car color or it may be black or just the seam caps are black. I don’t have a photo that clearly shows the roof. Maybe Ray Breyer does but if he did, I would have seen it. Signing this post officially.
Brian Carlson, P.E. NKPHTS Collections Management director
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Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 10:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP BOXCAR COLORS
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NKP BOXCAR COLORS
WILLIAM PARDIE
Above is an Overland brass car. I was told by a very knowledgable modeler that the ends should be black. He did not, however, have any information on the roof, underframes and trucks. Were they vblack as well? Thanks: Bill Pardie
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Re: Vague question about a gondola
Rick Jesionowski
I did two of them, one in CNJ and the other in a LV paint scheme they have never done.
Rick Jesionowski
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Re: NYO&W
I think I saw a photo of a NYO&W hopper car at Harriman, on the Union Pacific! 😉 (note: this might have been in Mike Brock universe...)
Armand, as others have noted, this road was definitely a shaky proposition for most of the modern steam era, and with a tiny fleet of cars, the chances of seeing one off home rails was pretty darn small. As noted, there is a dedicated cadre of fans and modelers
of the "Old and Weary" including Bill Schneider.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 7:51 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] NYO&W The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this RR ? Armand Premo
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Re: NYO&W
Bill J.
For models, keep watch on eBay. You might find some steam and an OW wood drop-bottom gon.
For books, check bookfinder.com. Also, brasstrains.com is a good place: https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Trains/Roads/107/New-York-Ontario-Western?showsold=False They have a terrific book; it is pricey but well worth it. Bill Jolitz
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NYO&W
David
O&W didn't have much to do after their anthracite traffic collapsed in the 1940s. The 7/50 ORER shows 234 hoppers, 35 gondolas, 34 box cars, and 11 flats; versus 2803 hoppers, 202 gondolas, 58 box cars, 25 stock cars, and 106 flats in January 1940.
David Thompson
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Re: Overhead Bunker cars, from another railroads perspective
Scott
That was a interesting read. Thanks for posting that. I wonder how the 8 hatch reefers would be iced when not on home road icing stations. Especially when they needed special tools to stir the ice brine. Plus needing chopped/shaved ice instead of crushed. It's still amazing they could get such low temps with the ice brine.
Scott McDonald
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Re: NYO&W
John Barry
Armand, There is a small, but dedicated group of NYOW folks still active on Yahoo groups, owrhs@.... I discovered them while trying to sell my NicklePlateProducts NYOW 4-8-2. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 08:52:05 AM EST, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:
The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this RR ? Armand Premo ![]()
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Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas
Todd Horton
I’m not sure where they originated but I always assumed they were sent to Brunswick for unloading. There was so many forest operations in South Ga that there could have been several locations of loading points. I’ve never located a file about these cars but I know they existed from talking to former employees of the railroad. There is a paint stencil diagram for these cars as they were modified for stump service. Todd Horton
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On Feb 2, 2020, at 2:26 AM, Rufus Cone <rclist09@earthlink.net> wrote:
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NYO&W
Armand Premo
The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this RR ? Armand Premo ![]()
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Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas
The CNW car was not as extensively modified as the Milwaukee cars. Photos that I have seen (they're in the Morningside CNW V2 Color Guide book) show only 1 panel cut out on each side of the car. They were deployed in pulpwood service. The CNW Historical Society does offer decals and a diagram for one of these. The Mantua car was recommended as a base for a model. I did one a few years ago. For purposes of this group, I believe the CNW cars were modified after the date range interest of this group. Dave Strahlendorf
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Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Friends, While traveling from California to Virginia in 1982 I spotted this SAL stump gondola. It doesn't have the "skeleton" sides of the cars previously under discussion, but does have the sides cut away at floor level for cleaning (as if that ever happened). The car was white, and I think the number was 6890, but only the ghost lettering remained. The car is marked "STUMP WOOD LOADING ONLY". Yours Aye, Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge 🦆
On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 2:26 AM Rufus Cone <rclist09@...> wrote: Todd,
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Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas
Rufus Cone
Todd,
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Where were these stumps hauled and did they originate on the CG? There was a Hercules explosives plant for near Brunswick, not served by CG. Rufus
The C of Ga modified some USRA clone gons like this for hauling stumps to make dynamite Todd Horton --
Rufus Cone Bozeman, MT
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Op sessions on the Alma branch
Jared Harper
This past week I hosted two op sessions on the Alma branch. On Sunday one of my operators had to back out because of illness. However, Bruce Smith from Auburn, AL, and Gary Senesac from Lawrenceville were able to make it did a very good job. On Thursday Tom Klimoski brought two friends, Tom and Ron and ran a record time of two hours and 15 minutes from Burlingame to Alma and back. They did all the tasks perfectly. It is time to plan an op session for February. The days I have open are the 9th, 15th, the 16th, the 22nd, the 23rd and the 29th. If a group of retirees wants to come during the week that is possible. Just let me know. I provide lunch. Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: Peek-A-Boo Gondolas
Todd Horton
The C of Ga modified some USRA clone gons like this for hauling stumps to make dynamite Todd Horton
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On Feb 1, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: Diagrams: PFE Refrigerator Cars
Tony Thompson
Bob Chaparro wrote: Thanks very much for that information, Tony. It's discussed in the PFE book at some length. Briefly, the -3 had superstructure improvements beyond the Class R-30-2, but used the original pressed-steel underframe. PFE decide against any more use of those underframes, as cracking problems had already appeared in them. Instead, the new superstructure was built onto a new underframe (Class R-30-4). The four later designs, classes R-30-7 to -10, were various combinations of underframes and superstructures. Evidently none were regarded as worth building (specifics in the book). Note that the CLASS number R-30-9 was used almost 30 years later for REBUILT cars, not new ones. Tony Thompson
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Re: Diagrams: PFE Refrigerator Cars
Thanks very much for that information, Tony.
Do you have any insight as to why these were not built? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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