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Re: NYO&W
James Brewer
There was another book written as well about the NYO&W. It is titled O&W, the Long Life and Slow Death of the New York, Ontario & Western Ry., by William F. Helmer, published 1959 by Howell-North. I am not sure where I found this book; this has been in my library for a long time. Jim Brewer Glenwood MD
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:36 AM Frank Pearsall <plans@...> wrote:
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Re: Diagrams: PFE Refrigerator Cars
Dick Harley
FWIW, the complete 1951 PFE Refrigerator Car Diagrams book (and other stuff) is available at :
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/PFE-FRT-DATA Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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Re: NYO&W
Frank Pearsall
Good morning:
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As far as I know, Bob lives in the upstate N.Y. area around or in Saratoga Springs. I talked to him several years ago. He wrote a great hardcover book (350 plus pages), called “The New York, Ontario & Western Railway and the Dairy Industry in Central New York State." Published by Garrigues House Publishers in 1995 (I think they’re gone). The only current rolling stock I’ve seen lately are the Bowser 1200 series GLa Type 2-Bay Hoppers done several years ago. Great railroad to model and we have the very active O&W Historical Society that published some great books about all aspects of the railway. Frank A. Pearsall Brevard, N.C.
On Feb 2, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...> wrote: And Bob Mohowski, devoted O&W modeler, who is still probably lurking about in upstate New York. Todd Sullivan Rowlett, TX _._,_._
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
Ray Breyer
All in-service photos I have of the 8000-series boxcars and of the coke car conversions show BLACK ends. The Pullman builder's photos and most in-service photos seem to indicate unpainted galvanized roofs. It does look like a few got black asphaltum painted roofs by the 1960s. Ignore ALL photos of car 8099. Noblesville was never known for high-quality "restorations". As for black ends on NKP boxcars: they were a pre-AMC standard, and were regularly found on their cars through 1964. Not all cars were painted with them, but they bulk were, including during repaints from the early 1920s on. As with any modeling project, refer to as many photos as possible. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Monday, February 3, 2020, 08:14:55 AM CST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:
I should have mentioned my paint colors were are built. Some cars did get FCC ends when repainted. Brian J. Carlson On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:47 AM, al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:
The NKP, Erie, PM and C&O were all part of the Van Sweringen brother's empire at this time and had joint standards for lettering and painting. Road specific fonts for none-data stencils were unique . . . i.e. like the PM's special "Q". I believe the C&O had black ends at this time. Research on AMC (Advisory Mechanical Committee) is spotty. Some is at Clifton Forge. Don't know what Cleveland State U has.
I am too old to drive down to CF alone for research sessions these days.
Al Kresse
On February 2, 2020 at 10:27 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
I should have mentioned my paint colors were are built. Some cars did get FCC ends when repainted.
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On Feb 3, 2020, at 8:47 AM, al.kresse <water.kresse@...> wrote:
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Re: NYO&W
Dennis Storzek
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 05:04 AM, Craig Zeni wrote:
When the K brake ban was approaching, the road bought around 17 USRA two bays from the New Haven that were fitted with AB brakes as none - zero - of the O&W's cars had them.Those must be the cars I've found photos of... battered black USRA twins with a simple "OW" and number in white, no name, no herald. Somehow the "ow" seems fitting. Dennis Storzek
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
The NKP, Erie, PM and C&O were all part of the Van Sweringen brother's empire at this time and had joint standards for lettering and painting. Road specific fonts for none-data stencils were unique . . . i.e. like the PM's special "Q". I believe the C&O had black ends at this time. Research on AMC (Advisory Mechanical Committee) is spotty. Some is at Clifton Forge. Don't know what Cleveland State U has.
I am too old to drive down to CF alone for research sessions these days.
Al Kresse
On February 2, 2020 at 10:27 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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Re: NYO&W
Marty McGuirk
I've not seen many photos of NYO&W cars offline, but this is one I have seen - gondola 6366 in Sheldon Springs, Vermont in Sept 1941.
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https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8c07268/ Marty McGuirk
On February 3, 2020 at 8:04 AM Craig Zeni <clzeni@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: NYO&W
On Feb 2, 2020, at 1:05 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:
4c. NYO&WAs an on-and-off O&W modeler, 'hermit road' is a pretty decent description. Once the on-line anthracite mines played out / went bankrupt in 1937 the railroad (which held mortgages on those very mines) followed them into bankruptcy and never emerged, shutting down almost exactly 20 years later. The bankruptcy trustees took a different tact, working to make the O&W a bridge road between western connections and Maybrook Yard into New England. The haul was very short, the interchange at Coxton Yd with the LV tenuous with backing moves, and there was the other 2/3s of the railroad that managed to avoid every major population area. To my knowledge, the O&W never owned a 40' box car of any type, let alone a steel box car. When the K brake ban was approaching, the road bought around 17 USRA two bays from the New Haven that were fitted with AB brakes as none - zero - of the O&W's cars had them. Having said all that, it's a neat road to model. Camelbacks (double cabs in O&W parlance), some handsome 4-8-2s, and a diesel fleet that's bog easy to model with off the shelf FTs, F3s, and NW2s. The 5 GE 44 tonners are not in plastic, but W&R models did pretty little brass ones that run well. Short trains are kosher. Nickle Plate Products made most of the major steam classes though some require some hefty repowering. NPP and the Old & Weary Car Shops did cabeese; the latter did the drop bottom coal gons in brass...also available from F&C in resin. Craig Zeni Cary NC
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
Fritz Milhaupt
Black ends surviving the first repainting seems pretty uncommon among C&O and Pere Marquette boxcars, from most photos I've seen, and recollections of friends who frequented yards in the '40s and '50s.
- Fritz Milhaupt
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Bill and Brian, These cars were covered in an article by Pat Wider in RPC 19. Pullman builder's photos show the ends as black. The trucks also appear to be black, so the underframe probably was too. No solid information on the roof. I photographed NKP 8099 at Noblesville, Indiana in 1978, and do not remember black ends. From another photo of this car in Wider's article, and other in-service photos of its sisters, it appears that the black (probably car cement) wore off over time, or if the cars were repainted they were done in all-FCR. The trucks were a rusty color by 1978. This car was probably on its way to the now-relocated Indiana Museum of Transport and Communications, also in Noblesville. Let's hope it survived that museum's relocation. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆
On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 10:27 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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Re: NYO&W
Todd Sullivan
And Bob Mohowski, devoted O&W modeler, who is still probably lurking about in Upstate New York.
Todd Sullivan Rowlett, TX
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Re: NKP BOXCAR COLORS
Bill Ends black, Underbody black, Trucks black (unpainted castings). Roof unclear. The running board is unpainted galvanized. The seam caps look painted. The entire roof may be freight car color or it may be black or just the seam caps are black. I don’t have a photo that clearly shows the roof. Maybe Ray Breyer does but if he did, I would have seen it. Signing this post officially.
Brian Carlson, P.E. NKPHTS Collections Management director
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 10:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] NKP BOXCAR COLORS
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NKP BOXCAR COLORS
WILLIAM PARDIE
Above is an Overland brass car. I was told by a very knowledgable modeler that the ends should be black. He did not, however, have any information on the roof, underframes and trucks. Were they vblack as well? Thanks: Bill Pardie
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Re: Vague question about a gondola
Rick Jesionowski
I did two of them, one in CNJ and the other in a LV paint scheme they have never done.
Rick Jesionowski
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Re: NYO&W
I think I saw a photo of a NYO&W hopper car at Harriman, on the Union Pacific! 😉 (note: this might have been in Mike Brock universe...)
Armand, as others have noted, this road was definitely a shaky proposition for most of the modern steam era, and with a tiny fleet of cars, the chances of seeing one off home rails was pretty darn small. As noted, there is a dedicated cadre of fans and modelers
of the "Old and Weary" including Bill Schneider.
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 7:51 AM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] NYO&W The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this RR ? Armand Premo
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Re: NYO&W
Bill J.
For models, keep watch on eBay. You might find some steam and an OW wood drop-bottom gon.
For books, check bookfinder.com. Also, brasstrains.com is a good place: https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Trains/Roads/107/New-York-Ontario-Western?showsold=False They have a terrific book; it is pricey but well worth it. Bill Jolitz
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NYO&W
David
O&W didn't have much to do after their anthracite traffic collapsed in the 1940s. The 7/50 ORER shows 234 hoppers, 35 gondolas, 34 box cars, and 11 flats; versus 2803 hoppers, 202 gondolas, 58 box cars, 25 stock cars, and 106 flats in January 1940.
David Thompson
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Re: Overhead Bunker cars, from another railroads perspective
Scott
That was a interesting read. Thanks for posting that. I wonder how the 8 hatch reefers would be iced when not on home road icing stations. Especially when they needed special tools to stir the ice brine. Plus needing chopped/shaved ice instead of crushed. It's still amazing they could get such low temps with the ice brine.
Scott McDonald
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Re: NYO&W
John Barry
Armand, There is a small, but dedicated group of NYOW folks still active on Yahoo groups, owrhs@.... I discovered them while trying to sell my NicklePlateProducts NYOW 4-8-2. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 08:52:05 AM EST, Armand Premo <arm.p.prem@...> wrote:
The NYO&W seems to be like a Hermit RR.Photos of cars in interchange seem to be rather rare and models even rarer.Does anyone have any information on this RR ? Armand Premo
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