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Re: D&H Flat
Dave Boss
Hi Francis Thanks for the info I'll have to search for one. Do you know if it came with decals? Dave
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 5:58 PM rdgbuff56 via Groups.Io <rdgbuff56=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: D&H Flat
rdgbuff56
Eastern Car Works had this kit available some years ago. Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
On Friday, February 7, 2020, 05:36:39 PM EST, Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...> wrote: Hello Guys Does anyone know if there was ever a D&H #16153 250 ton four truck flat car model available or even a decal set for this flat car in HO scale? The F&C kits, as well as Athearns, version are different , but might work to a kit bash project. I believe the real issues is the decals. I can't recall any decal sets or models. Any help would be appreciated Thank you Good Day Dave Boss
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D&H Flat
Dave Boss
Hello Guys
Does anyone know if there was ever a D&H #16153 250 ton four truck flat car model available or even a decal set for this flat car in HO scale? The F&C kits, as well as Athearns, version are different , but might work to a kit bash project. I believe the real issues is the decals. I can't recall any decal sets or models. Any help would be appreciated Thank you Good Day Dave Boss
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Re: Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
Bill Keene
I think that the great flood in Kansas City was in 1951.
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We lived in Kansas City at the time of the flood. My dad worked in the Phillips refinery and was away from the house for several days. Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
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Re: Gibson Wine Company Tank Cars
Tony Thompson
Gene Deimling wrote:
Gene, I can send you such a photo from RIchard Hendrickson's collection. Tony Thompson
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Re: Gibson Wine Company Tank Cars
The Gibson car you cited in your email was built by Standard Tank Car Company. It was a single compartment insulated 8,000 gallon car. Southern Car & Foundry produced HO kits STC cars but not with this tank. You also mentioned Roma Wines. I have never seen a GATX car lettered for Roma in the postwar era. Gene Deimling -- Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA
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Re: Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
What was the date of the infamous KANSAS CITY FLOOD in the 1950's?? I recall that immediately following the floods there was an ICC car service directive regarding stock cars that lasted for a number of months during which eastern stock cars were seen all over the midwest. The aftermath of the flood was covered in a major article in Trains magazine. Denver also experienced massive flooding of the Platte river in the 1950's. Such events can cause long lasting disruption to freight car service patterns. (A more recent catastrophe being the UP's "meltdown" in the 1990's that spread like a virus from Texas to the entire US.) Tim O'Connor
On 2/7/2020 8:31 AM, David North wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Union Pacific Stock Car colors - FCR to Yellow?
Dick
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Darn it, you finally figured it out! I've been doing it for years. You'd be amazed what I've been able to squeeze out of the "fact hoarders". ;-)
On 2/6/2020 4:16 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim, --
*Tim O'Connor* *Sterling, Massachusetts*
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Re: Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
I have evidence of a PRR stockcar, either a K7 or K7A, being on the MSTL in Iowa. PRR 135263 was loaded with cattle at So St Paul, and shipped to Dallas Center IA on the MSTL, arriving on 8-8-1945. While this is not the SP or UP, it does show that PRR stockcars got west of the Mississippi.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Martin via Groups.Io
David,
Certainly, if you understand stock car movements. Stock cars were generally used to transport livestock to market and that is well understood; however, stock movements were also used to move livestock from feeding/grazing lands/ areas in order to fatten the stock for market, as in the case of cattle.
Railroads were always behind the curve with stock cars, thus the reason for the leasing of cars from companies like Mather.
So to see a brace of PRR cars on the UP or SP isn't likely but the occasional would certainly be acceptable in your modeling.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Sent from AOL Desktop In a message dated 2/7/2020 5:32:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, david.north@... writes:
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Re: Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
Dennis Storzek
The other possibility, pointed out by that photo of loading brick into a stockcar, is a non-livestock backhaul load. While brick typically didn't move far enough to get a PRR car on the SP, cut stone architectural l details could, as could terra cotta, both of which are weather resistant enough to travel in a stockcar. Remember, the car service rules allow a car to be loaded BEYOND its home district, provided the owner road participates in the move, so it is possible, if not likely.
Dennis Storzek
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Re: Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
Greg Martin
David,
Certainly, if you understand stock car movements. Stock cars were generally used to transport livestock to market and that is well understood; however, stock movements were also used to move livestock from feeding/grazing lands/ areas in order to fatten the stock for market, as in the case of cattle.
Railroads were always behind the curve with stock cars, thus the reason for the leasing of cars from companies like Mather.
So to see a brace of PRR cars on the UP or SP isn't likely but the occasional would certainly be acceptable in your modeling.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean Sent from AOL Desktop
In a message dated 2/7/2020 5:32:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, david.north@... writes:
-- Hey Boss, Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place. Greg Martin
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Re: Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
Dave,
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Never say never… UP and SP stock cars made their way onto PRR rails with some frequency. That is likely due to a shortage of cars at points like Chicago since through shipment of livestock did not happen due to rest requirements. It seems much
less likely to happen going west off of PRR rails, with one big exception and that would be shipments of smaller numbers of specialized stock and horses. So could it happen? I’d say yes. Was it frequent? Probably not. Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Correction PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
David North
Correction- A friend has asked if PRR stock cars would have been seen on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks. I would have thought no, but thought I’d check with you guys first, before replying to him. He models 1954. Cheers Dave
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PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific tracks?
David North
A friend has asked if PRR stock cars would have been seen on Southern Pacific tracks. I would have thought no, but thought I’d check with you guys first, before replying to him. He models 1954. Cheers Dave
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Re: Union Tank Car Co. UTLX 17441 a “squat”
al_brown03
I've seen a two-compartment tank with a half-length dome platform on each end (one on each side).
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Union Tank Car Co. UTLX 17441 a “squat”
Tony Thompson
Dennis Storzek wrote: Don, it's era dependent. The ARA safety appliance drawing dated 1917, presented in the 1922 CBC, only shows one dome platform. I've always just assumed at some point the requirement was increased to one on each side, but never bothered to track down the date. I don't know whether the two walks were ever REQUIRED. Ed Kaminski told me that nearly every detail of the TANK (not the underframe) was a buyer choice, though of course they had to choose among permitted features. Certainly before WW II, you can find plenty of photos of tanks with either one or two walks. Tony Thompson
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Re: Union Pacific Stock Car colors - FCR to Yellow?
Tony Thompson
Rob Mondichak wrote: I did a search but could find nothing conclusive - is there a specific time period or car series for the UP change from FCR to yellow for stock cars? The UP first painted stock cars yellow (with aluminum roof and ends) in early 1947, when they inaugurated a fast livestock service between Salt Lake and Los Angeles. The paint scheme was ONLY for the cars in that service,which had been equipped with roller-bearing trucks. All other stock car remained BCR. Gradually more and more of the BCR cars received aluminum roofs. AFAIK this pattern of paint assignment remained through the 1950s. Others on this list can doubtless stay more. Tony Thompson
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Re: Union Tank Car Co. UTLX 17441 a "squat"
There is a section in the UTLX book on dome platforms and
ladders that Dave and I discussed a lot before completing it. It appears
that, prior to 1930, UTLX tank cars provided just a single dome platform on the
side of the tank that would be on the left, as viewed from the B end of the car
(that is, the same side as the KC brake cylinder and
reservoir.)
Beginning with the cars built in 1930 and continuing with cars
built from then on, UTLX designs called for a ladder and dome platform on both
sides of the tank. The style of ladder changed about the same time.
As Tony says, for more details, see the book.
This gives me a chance to comment on Lester's build of UTLX
17441. He is a craftsman and did a beautiful job in completing the
kit. Unfortunately, the instructions provided apparently do not make clear
that the end platforms changed with these cars that were built in 1936 and
37. Two thousand 6500 gallon and 800 eight thousand gallon X-3 tank cars
were built on a common underframe. This resulted in the "squat" appearance
of the 8000 gallon cars, numbered 17000 - 17799. These cars did NOT have
the full board platform on the car ends stretching from the end sill to the
bolster. Rather, there were two boards for an end sill running board and
the normal side sill running board for the length of the car, leaving an opening
down to the trucks between the end running boards and the bolster. There
are several surviving examples of these cars, including at Mid Continent and IRM
and there are drawings and photos in the book and some photos that I posted
years ago on the old Steam Era Freight Cars website.
So, if you still have one of these older Sunshine kits for a
"Squat" 8000 gallon car consult some photos or the book to complete the
underframe. Maybe we can convince Frank to redo these cars under the RCW
banner.
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2020 11:38 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Union Tank Car Co. UTLX 17441 a “squat” Don, it's era dependent. The ARA safety appliance drawing dated 1917, presented in the 1922 CBC, only shows one dome platform. I've always just assumed at some point the requirement was increased to one on each side, but never bothered to track down the date.Having looked through a lot of ICC regs from 1927 through 1955, I have yet to find any indication that the second platform was required during the period covered by this group. So, that's an assumption that I would not make absent additional evidence. As to why some cars were fitted with the second platform, while others were not, I cannot find any rhyme or reason to it. But there certainly were a great many cars with just one, something not reflected on any RTR models that I have seen. With kits, it's an easy fix of course. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Photo: BAR Reefer
charles slater
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:55 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: BAR Reefer Photo: BAR Reefer Can anyone make out the car number on this reefer: https://www.mainememory.net/artifact/15240 Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Union Pacific Stock Car colors - FCR to Yellow?
Dick Harley
Tim,
Care to give me a page number in Terry's book? I can't find your data in it. I did notice that even the diagram in Terry's book (p. 145) for the S-40-12 class lists both AY and FCR side Color Schemes for the different series. I'm beginning to think this is another trick by Tim to get Dick to do the research. :-) Just put out some bogus facts about UP or PFE, and Dick will jump in to correct it, since he hates bogus facts (from any source). Cheers, Dick Harley Laguna Beach, CA
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