Schuyler

I have them also - there are differences in trucks, lower decks, and upper decks for
the 125 ton 2 truck, 6 axle (versus 4 truck 8 or 12 axle) cars. It may be possible to
"morph" one of them into another prototype by the addition, removal or modification of
certain details. I attach the only photo I have of a D&H 2 truck car - note the wood
upper deck and very small triangle anchors on the lower deck.





On 2/9/2020 4:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========

On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

http://southern.railfan.net/flat/cars/dh/03191988.jpg

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New detail part

I know the thread is old but I finally ordered the 3D printed Resin Car Works Equipco Brake Wheel and housing and it arrived today. As I am primarily an SP modeler I need a good supply of the brake wheels and housings and I have an IM B-50-23 rebuild project underway after picking up the partially assembled kit of the used shelf at my local hobby shop.  I will re-use the chain and rod connecting the housing to the lever. 

Now are there hints on how to handle the prints and mount the housing.  Was there ever a photo blog on installing the parts. 



The further saga of the project will be on the Plastic Freight Car Builders group and shared to this group.

On Feb 10, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Tony

Hear hear! Those are spectacular castings at very reasonable prices. I wish I knew
what the heck they were used for! What does a "blooming mill stand" do? Were these
things highly unusual (i.e. extremely low production numbers) or were they objects
that wore out and needed to be replaced?

Tim O'



On 2/9/2020 2:07 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Dan Smith wrote:

This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital,

    Nothing wrong with an eBay listing, but why not go directly to their site and buy it from them, saving them the fee they pay to eBay? I have bought three of their loads and like them a lot. Support these guys and buy direct!

https://multiscale.digital/

Tony Thompson

tony@...

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts <Mesta steel blooming mill stand castings.jpg>

Schuyler

I have them also - there are differences in trucks, lower decks, and upper decks for
the 125 ton 2 truck, 6 axle (versus 4 truck 8 or 12 axle) cars. It may be possible to
"morph" one of them into another prototype by the addition, removal or modification of
certain details. I attach the only photo I have of a D&H 2 truck car - note the wood
upper deck and very small triangle anchors on the lower deck.





On 2/9/2020 4:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========

On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

http://southern.railfan.net/flat/cars/dh/03191988.jpg

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 

---

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========

On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

http://southern.railfan.net/flat/cars/dh/03191988.jpg

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 

---

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 

Dan Smith wrote:

This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital,

    Nothing wrong with an eBay listing, but why not go directly to their site and buy it from them, saving them the fee they pay to eBay? I have bought three of their loads and like them a lot. Support these guys and buy direct!

https://multiscale.digital/

Tony Thompson

tony@...

On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:37 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
 

Hello friends,

this has been filmed yesterday at an exhibition near Stuttgart, Germany:

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fbernd.schroter.566%2Fvideos%2F749394172252008%2F&show_text=0&width=560

Train is completely brass, engine is CIL with some detail upgrades and all-wheel current pick-up. Runs extremely well. Yes I know - SP&S caboose is bogus with this engine - I will take care of this soon.
And yes I remember the discussion about the PRR G24 scrap service gondola and the conclusion that it wouldn't be that good for any train away from certain PRR rails - but very recently I found this seemingly professionally painted or repainted model in Italy - and it was a "steal" so I couldn't resist.

The whole train may not be very accurate, of course - but train length was restricted because of short yards, and I have lots of still unpainted and more "generic" cars like PS-1, USRA drop-bottom gondola, USRA box, XM-1 box, etc. which will join the train at a later time.
An hour earlier I have had a beautyful NH "State-of-Maine" insulated box car in the train, but unfortunately this hasn't been filmed I believe.

All but very few cars with special trucks (like the W&R coal gondola with its clasp brakes) have been converted to the (hopefully correct type of) Tahoe trucks with necessary work on the bolsters.
Generally all cars are "reworked" and improved more or less extensively, that means repairs or improvements on solder joints and detail upgrades (at least those in 99% apparent stupid "steps" or s-shaped bents in the brake rods, along with other brake detail corrections).

Hope the one or the other of you will enjoy the clip.

Regards

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:37 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Hello friends,

this has been filmed yesterday at an exhibition near Stuttgart, Germany:

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fbernd.schroter.566%2Fvideos%2F749394172252008%2F&show_text=0&width=560

Train is completely brass, engine is CIL with some detail upgrades and all-wheel current pick-up. Runs extremely well. Yes I know - SP&S caboose is bogus with this engine - I will take care of this soon.
And yes I remember the discussion about the PRR G24 scrap service gondola and the conclusion that it wouldn't be that good for any train away from certain PRR rails - but very recently I found this seemingly professionally painted or repainted model in Italy - and it was a "steal" so I couldn't resist.

The whole train may not be very accurate, of course - but train length was restricted because of short yards, and I have lots of still unpainted and more "generic" cars like PS-1, USRA drop-bottom gondola, USRA box, XM-1 box, etc. which will join the train at a later time.
An hour earlier I have had a beautyful NH "State-of-Maine" insulated box car in the train, but unfortunately this hasn't been filmed I believe.

All but very few cars with special trucks (like the W&R coal gondola with its clasp brakes) have been converted to the (hopefully correct type of) Tahoe trucks with necessary work on the bolsters.
Generally all cars are "reworked" and improved more or less extensively, that means repairs or improvements on solder joints and detail upgrades (at least those in 99% apparent stupid "steps" or s-shaped bents in the brake rods, along with other brake detail corrections).

Hope the one or the other of you will enjoy the clip.

Regards

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953