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Re: D&H Flat
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Tim -- A blooming mill does the first heavy rolling of ingots, reducing them in cross-section to what are called blooms. According the roll stands (as in the part you reference) are not only large but have to be very strong. I would say they probably don't really "wear out" but new mills do get installed or old ones modified. Tony Thompson
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Re: D&H Flat
rdgbuff56
I had wrong D&H series. I am kind of glad I did. It led to a good discussion. Side note to Tim and Dave, how much for well car? Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
On Monday, February 10, 2020, 04:18:19 PM EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: oops forgot the photo On 2/10/2020 4:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
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Re: D&H Flat
oops forgot the photo
On 2/10/2020 4:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
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Re: D&H Flat
Schuyler I have them also - there are differences in trucks, lower decks, and upper decks for the 125 ton 2 truck, 6 axle (versus 4 truck 8 or 12 axle) cars. It may be possible to "morph" one of them into another prototype by the addition, removal or modification of certain details. I attach the only photo I have of a D&H 2 truck car - note the wood upper deck and very small triangle anchors on the lower deck.
On 2/9/2020 4:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: D&H Flat
Tony Hear hear! Those are spectacular castings at very reasonable prices. I wish I knew what the heck they were used for! What does a "blooming mill stand" do? Were these things highly unusual (i.e. extremely low production numbers) or were they objects that wore out and needed to be replaced? Tim O'
On 2/9/2020 2:07 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
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Re: For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running
Tony Thompson
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Re: For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running
vapeurchapelon
Many thanks, Brian! And I forgot to mention: -at an even later date but very surely all cars will be weathered, of course!
Johannes
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Von: "BRIAN PAUL EHNI" <bpehni@...> An: main@realstmfc.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running Very nice, Johannes! Thanks!
Brian Ehni
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On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:37 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
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Re: For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running
Very nice, Johannes!
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Feb 10, 2020, at 1:37 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
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For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running
vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
this has been filmed yesterday at an exhibition near Stuttgart, Germany: https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fbernd.schroter.566%2Fvideos%2F749394172252008%2F&show_text=0&width=560 Train is completely brass, engine is CIL with some detail upgrades and all-wheel current pick-up. Runs extremely well. Yes I know - SP&S caboose is bogus with this engine - I will take care of this soon. And yes I remember the discussion about the PRR G24 scrap service gondola and the conclusion that it wouldn't be that good for any train away from certain PRR rails - but very recently I found this seemingly professionally painted or repainted model in Italy - and it was a "steal" so I couldn't resist. The whole train may not be very accurate, of course - but train length was restricted because of short yards, and I have lots of still unpainted and more "generic" cars like PS-1, USRA drop-bottom gondola, USRA box, XM-1 box, etc. which will join the train at a later time. An hour earlier I have had a beautyful NH "State-of-Maine" insulated box car in the train, but unfortunately this hasn't been filmed I believe. All but very few cars with special trucks (like the W&R coal gondola with its clasp brakes) have been converted to the (hopefully correct type of) Tahoe trucks with necessary work on the bolsters. Generally all cars are "reworked" and improved more or less extensively, that means repairs or improvements on solder joints and detail upgrades (at least those in 99% apparent stupid "steps" or s-shaped bents in the brake rods, along with other brake detail corrections). Hope the one or the other of you will enjoy the clip. Regards Johannes modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
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Re: Hog wire
radiodial868
Tulle cloth (or ribbon).
Square weave for hog wire or field fence, diamond for chain link. I dye it using Rit and then then cut it to size and then dip it in thinned matte poly if I want it to be stiff. https://www.michaels.com/ribbon/tulle/845012929 Freight Car content: woven wire fencing was shipped in boxcars. RJ Dial Mendocino, Ca
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Re: High and Wide ops was D&H Flat
Mont Switzer
Well, the MONON did it differently, according to retired Monon engineer Ron Marquardt.
Not wanting over dimensional loads to languish the MONON placed them on the head end of local freight trains. Instructions were to pass through close clearances at “walking speed only.” The walking speed was for the head man who had to hit the ground at every close clearance and walk the car through, in full view of the engineer, ready to drop a washout signal if a collision was eminent.
The MONON regularly moved gun turrets on USAX (later DODX) flat cars especially fitted for this work from Louisville, KY to the Erie in northern, IN for movement east in this manner. I’ve also head of water craft being moved between the Ohio River to the Great Lakes in the same manner. I’m sure there were other moves.
The local crew had to set the over dimensional load out at each location where they performed switching duties and dutifully place it behind the rider car when they were ready to leave town. I model the gun turret move and a “boat load” is on my list.
Mont
Montford L. Switzer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 6:10 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] High and Wide ops was D&H Flat
Dan,
Precisely! While large loads could be moved in regular freights, "high and wide" loads often required special handling and therefore were often accumulated and moved in a single train. On the stretch of the PRR I model, the Columbia and Port Deposit branch, from Perryville MD, through Columbia PA and on to Enola, this H&W train was typically run on Sunday morning. That makes sense as it was the lightest traffic day of the week, and therefore the low speed and occasional stops to check clearance wouldn't mess up the rest of the railroad. There was also a spot at "Midway siding" where the tracks were set farther apart, to allow H&W trains to pass each other. i plan too accumulate a train of H&W loads and then run it once every 10-14 ops sessions.
Regards, Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...>
Not now. I have a strange appreciation of heavy duty flat cars and their often interesting loads. I just haven’t gotten around to this one yet, perhaps because I’ve not seen a photo of the prototype and whatever load it might be carrying. One has to be careful mixing such cars into regular train (assuming they’re not a “high and wide”). Too many looks strange. On the other hand I’ve seen photos of whole trains of high and wide oversized loads. Perhaps that’s putting all one’s problems in one place?
Dan Mitchell
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Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
David North
Ben & Bruce, Thanks for the information on the PRR stock cars. I thought as I typed Tuscan that it might not be right so thanks for providing the correct name. Cheers Dave
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Hog wire
Jared Harper
What have the illustrious people on this list used to model hog wire in HO? Thanks. Jared Harper
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Re: D&H Flat
Schuyler Larrabee
Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .
There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass. I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat. But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H. I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos. Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.
Schuyler
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat
Bruce:
That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!
I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.
Thanks again,
Dan Mitchell ==========
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Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
Dave,
Well, if they are really painted "Tuscan" they aren't accurate for anyone 😉. PRR's freight cars were painted "Freight Car Color" which is also an oxide red, but not the same oxide red as Tuscan.
As Ben has noted, these rebuilds into stock cars are post 1960. However, there are models of both PRR stock cars that were extant at your 1954 data. These are the K7a (Broadway Limited) which were a rebuild of the X24 boxcar and the K8 (F&C).
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of David North <david.north@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:17 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks? I checked Bowser for HO models of the K11 stock cars and they have two paint schemes. One is all Tuscan and the other is Tuscan with a galvanised? roof and doors. Are either or both these variations suitable for 1954? Cheers Dave
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Re: D&H Flat
Tony Thompson
Dan Smith wrote: This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital, Nothing wrong with an eBay listing, but why not go directly to their site and buy it from them, saving them the fee they pay to eBay? I have bought three of their loads and like them a lot. Support these guys and buy direct! Tony Thompson
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Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
Benjamin Hom
Dave North asked:
"I checked Bowser for HO models of the K11 stock cars and they have two paint schemes. One is all Tuscan and the other is Tuscan with a galvanised? roof and doors. Are either or both these variations suitable for 1954?" No. Class K11 are Class X31 subclass automobile boxcars rebuilt in 1961 in response to a rise in stock traffic. See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman for more details. Ben Hom
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Re: PRR Stock cars on Southern Pacific or Union Pacific tracks?
David North
I checked Bowser for HO models of the K11 stock cars and they have two paint schemes. One is all Tuscan and the other is Tuscan with a galvanised? roof and doors. Are either or both these variations suitable for 1954? Cheers Dave
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Re: ACL low sided gondolas
Paul Doggett
Thomas
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I have just finished the K7 the decals were absolutely awful, thank you for your help. Paul
On 5 Feb 2020, at 15:24, thomas christensen via Groups.Io <thomasjonly@...> wrote:
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Re: High and Wide ops was D&H Flat
Your guess is as good as mine, Tim, But certainly plausible.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
On 2/8/2020 6:35 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
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