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CGW 1923 Box Cars

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,

I was going through RP Cyc No. 18 last night and was surprised to read that CGW 1923 ARA single-sheathed box cars came in at least two varieties.  I read that a whole series of cars was delivered with Murphy roofs and 7-8 Murphy ends.  However, one of the photos referenced of the series with Murphy roofs seems to show a car with a round roof.  

Are there any CGW experts on board that can confirm if CGW indeed had a series of cars with 7-8 ends and Murphys roofs?

If this is true, a simple roof replacement on the F&C model will yield a nice CGW car at a reasonable prices (not Sunshine prices).

Thanks a Bunch,

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany

RPM Blog: https://railroadprototypemodeler.wordpress.com/
Re: For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running

golden1014
 

Hi Johannes, what is the event?  Stuttgart is just two hours from my home--on a good day.  John Golden, Ramstein, Germany
Re: For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running

Bob Chaparro
 

Nice to see a canister gondola with the appropriate cut-outs in the side panels.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running

Clark Propst
 

That's alot of brass! Very nice collection. Good to see those cars put to use  ;  ))
Thanks for sharing the link,
CW Propst
Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

A blooming mill is a machine that rolls ingots down to the size of a "bloom", either square or rectangular in cross section, and something larger than 36" across, but larger than a billet. Blooms were commonly re-heated for use in large applications like big structural shapes.

Mesta Machine was a specialty caster and maker of large machines and stands for other large machines like presses, and also mill rolls and the like. They were located in Homestead, Pa., across the Monongahela River from where I grew up.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of maynard stowe
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:46 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

Tim,
The Blooming mill is headed to Fontina for the Kaiser Steel mills.
Maynard Stowe
SP in Massachusetts



On Feb 10, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net <mailto:timboconnor@comcast.net> > wrote:

Tony

Hear hear! Those are spectacular castings at very reasonable prices. I wish I knew
what the heck they were used for! What does a "blooming mill stand" do? Were these
things highly unusual (i.e. extremely low production numbers) or were they objects
that wore out and needed to be replaced?

Tim O'



On 2/9/2020 2:07 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:


Dan Smith wrote:



This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital,




Nothing wrong with an eBay listing, but why not go directly to their site and buy it from them, saving them the fee they pay to eBay? I have bought three of their loads and like them a lot. Support these guys and buy direct!


Blockedhttps://multiscale.digital/



Tony Thompson
tony@signaturepress.com <mailto:tony@signaturepress.com>



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts <Mesta steel blooming mill stand castings.jpg>
Re: D&H Flat

Todd Sullivan
 

I did some searching around on the Shapeways site and found a PRR F25 model by "Mad Dog Design" and a different GSC depressed center flat by "Lee123 Minatures and Train Models" that has space on the bottom for weight.  The link to the GSC car is here:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/LTB6KUB5E/depressed-deck-flat-car-gsc?optionId=97513173&li=shops

The link to the PRR F25 well flat is here:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/SXB8QXHS8/prr-f25-depressed-center-flatcar-in-ho-no-decking?optionId=65689574&li=marketplace

HO3Dim makes some neat big transformers for HD flatcar loads.  Here's a link to HO3Dim's pages:

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/kitbasher?li=pb

Todd Sullivan
Re: D&H Flat

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks.  I could swear that one of E&Ps models was correct for some of, one of? the D&H cars . . .

 

Nobody else has said anything so maybe not.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 


oops forgot the photo


On 2/10/2020 4:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Schuyler

I have them also - there are differences in trucks, lower decks, and upper decks for
the 125 ton 2 truck, 6 axle (versus 4 truck 8 or 12 axle) cars. It may be possible to
"morph" one of them into another prototype by the addition, removal or modification of
certain details. I attach the only photo I have of a D&H 2 truck car - note the wood
upper deck and very small triangle anchors on the lower deck.





On 2/9/2020 4:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========




On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: New detail part

Eric Hansmann
 

There are some prototype advertising but no instructions on handling and mounting the prints.

http://www.resincarworks.com/extras/extras_Equipco.htm

 

This page of tips pops up quickly when searching for “How to clean Shapeways prints.”

https://www.shapeways.com/forum/t/best-way-to-clean-frosted-ultra-detail-model-for-painting.29248/

 

Bill Welch had an interesting post on mounting the Kadee handbrake hardware. Some of this may help when installing the RCW Equipco details.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/adapting-kadee-brake-components/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 5:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New detail part

 

I know the thread is old but I finally ordered the 3D printed Resin Car Works Equipco Brake Wheel and housing and it arrived today. As I am primarily an SP modeler I need a good supply of the brake wheels and housings and I have an IM B-50-23 rebuild project underway after picking up the partially assembled kit of the used shelf at my local hobby shop.  I will re-use the chain and rod connecting the housing to the lever. 

Now are there hints on how to handle the prints and mount the housing.  Was there ever a photo blog on installing the parts. 



The further saga of the project will be on the Plastic Freight Car Builders group and shared to this group.

Re: D&H Flat

maynard stowe
 

Tim,
The Blooming mill is headed to Fontina for the Kaiser Steel mills.
Maynard Stowe
SP in Massachusetts


On Feb 10, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Tony

Hear hear! Those are spectacular castings at very reasonable prices. I wish I knew
what the heck they were used for! What does a "blooming mill stand" do? Were these
things highly unusual (i.e. extremely low production numbers) or were they objects
that wore out and needed to be replaced?

Tim O'



On 2/9/2020 2:07 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Dan Smith wrote:
This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital,

    Nothing wrong with an eBay listing, but why not go directly to their site and buy it from them, saving them the fee they pay to eBay? I have bought three of their loads and like them a lot. Support these guys and buy direct!
Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts <Mesta steel blooming mill stand castings.jpg>
Re: D&H Flat

mopacfirst
 

Yes, here are the ones that are, in my opinion, close to the prototypes we're discussing.

The car body casting --

https://www.shapeways.com/product/J3JHSB42J/general-steel-industries-depressed-center-flatcar?optionId=110745885&li=marketplace

The trucks --

https://www.shapeways.com/product/7J9LLN7YW/general-steel-industries-three-axle-trucks?optionId=110758345&li=marketplace

On both of those pages, the prototype car is shown.

I don't immediately see the other one, but Shapeways' filtering capabilities aren't fabulous.  And I don't have it here any more, it went to my other house.

I will say that there are at least a few freight cars and parts for our era on the site.  I have not built one yet.

Ron Merrick
Re: D&H Flat

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Ron,

Can you be more specific as to the Shapeways vendors for these heavy duty flat cars?

Todd Sullivan.
Re: For the case somebody likes to see freight cars running

RICH CHAPIN
 

Sehr Gut!! Nioce array of freight cars, especially the gon with cement bottles!
Re: D&H Flat

mopacfirst
 

There is a 3D printed model, for the body casting and the trucks, for a car very similar to this on Shapeways.  The car that's closest to this has no obvious way to add much weight, but there is another, less "correct" in terms of the car I'm trying to model, that has a generous open space on the bottom for weight.

I believe the specific prototype for this car was a Frisco, or perhaps the Frisco, depressed center flat.  I'm working on modeling an MP one, all of these very similar to the D&H one shown.

Ron Merrick
Re: New detail part

Ken Adams
 

I know the thread is old but I finally ordered the 3D printed Resin Car Works Equipco Brake Wheel and housing and it arrived today. As I am primarily an SP modeler I need a good supply of the brake wheels and housings and I have an IM B-50-23 rebuild project underway after picking up the partially assembled kit of the used shelf at my local hobby shop.  I will re-use the chain and rod connecting the housing to the lever. 

Now are there hints on how to handle the prints and mount the housing.  Was there ever a photo blog on installing the parts. 



The further saga of the project will be on the Plastic Freight Car Builders group and shared to this group.
Re: D&H Flat

Andy Laurent
 

Tim,

For some images of the Mesta Machine products and processes (including images of that blooming mill stand on PRR 425000 well flat on page 124) check out:
https://archive.org/details/plantproductofme00mest/page/124/mode/2up  

Lots of good inspiration there for HD flatcar loads.

Andy L.
Wisconsin
Re: D&H Flat

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:


Hear hear! Those are spectacular castings at very reasonable prices. I wish I knew
what the heck they were used for! What does a "blooming mill stand" do? Were these
things highly unusual (i.e. extremely low production numbers) or were they objects
that wore out and needed to be replaced?

Tim -- A blooming mill does the first heavy rolling of ingots, reducing them in cross-section to what are called blooms. According the roll stands (as in the part you reference) are not only large but have to be very strong. I would say they probably don't really "wear out" but new mills do get installed or  old ones modified.

Tony Thompson
Re: D&H Flat

rdgbuff56
 

I had wrong D&H series. I am kind of glad I did. It led to a good discussion. Side note to Tim and Dave, how much for well car?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 04:18:19 PM EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



oops forgot the photo


On 2/10/2020 4:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Schuyler
I have them also - there are differences in trucks, lower decks, and upper decks for
 the 125 ton 2 truck, 6 axle (versus 4 truck 8 or 12 axle) cars. It may be possible to
 "morph" one of them into another prototype by the addition, removal or modification of
 certain details. I attach the only photo I have of a D&H 2 truck car - note the wood
 upper deck and very small triangle anchors on the lower deck.




On 2/9/2020 4:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
 Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
 Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========

On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
 Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
 Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: D&H Flat

Tim O'Connor
 


oops forgot the photo


On 2/10/2020 4:17 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Schuyler
I have them also - there are differences in trucks, lower decks, and upper decks for
 the 125 ton 2 truck, 6 axle (versus 4 truck 8 or 12 axle) cars. It may be possible to
 "morph" one of them into another prototype by the addition, removal or modification of
 certain details. I attach the only photo I have of a D&H 2 truck car - note the wood
 upper deck and very small triangle anchors on the lower deck.




On 2/9/2020 4:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
 Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
 Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========

On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
 Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
 Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: D&H Flat

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

I have them also - there are differences in trucks, lower decks, and upper decks for
the 125 ton 2 truck, 6 axle (versus 4 truck 8 or 12 axle) cars. It may be possible to
"morph" one of them into another prototype by the addition, removal or modification of
certain details. I attach the only photo I have of a D&H 2 truck car - note the wood
upper deck and very small triangle anchors on the lower deck.





On 2/9/2020 4:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

Late to this discussion, but just raising my hand here . . .

 

There were a series of heavy-duty flats imported by E&P some years ago, in brass.  I have two of them, one an ERIE four truck eight axle depressed flat, the other a conventional depressed center four axle flat.  But ISTR that either the ERIE car or some others that they imported were correct for D&H.  I just looked for my four truck car, because it had some literature in the box, but it’s not easy to locate in my chaos.  Some of the rest of you may recall these models from E&P and know if any of them were D&H-accurate.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

Bruce:

 

That’s the first photo of the D&H 12-axle car I’ve seen, Thanks!

 

I did miss the start of this thread, so was not aware of the previous discussion on the 8-axle D&H car. When I “arrived” the discussion was heavy on the ECW model car, and that’s when I started getting in on it.

 

Thanks again,

 

Dan Mitchell

==========



On Feb 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

 

Dan (other Dan),

 

Thanks. Interesting. Definitely NOT the D&H flat car that started this discussion though 😉  Obviously, I was unaware that ECW did this and frankly the kit was so problematic that I was happy to stick with my brass F38.  It would appear from the instructions that there were a significant number of 36' deck variants of this car beyond D&H that this kit could also model.

 

The modified kit does appear to be prototypical for D&H 16157 (not D&H 16153)

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dan Smith <espeefan@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&H Flat

 

All,

An ECW 4700 sold on ebay a while ago, here is the link to that sold listing.

Take a look and it shows the instructions well. You can see the 2 build versions that can be done.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eastern-Car-Works-Heavy-Duty-Cars-Pennsylvania-F-38-4700-Undecorated-/303433667393?hash=item46a60e5341%3Ag%3Au24AAOSwWxxeEknn&nma=true&si=jM4eChH7Do6CPgEAYYSAj931zhg%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Dan Smith

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: D&H Flat

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Hear hear! Those are spectacular castings at very reasonable prices. I wish I knew
what the heck they were used for! What does a "blooming mill stand" do? Were these
things highly unusual (i.e. extremely low production numbers) or were they objects
that wore out and needed to be replaced?

Tim O'



On 2/9/2020 2:07 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Dan Smith wrote:
This is a link to a load offered by MultiScale Digital,

    Nothing wrong with an eBay listing, but why not go directly to their site and buy it from them, saving them the fee they pay to eBay? I have bought three of their loads and like them a lot. Support these guys and buy direct!
Tony Thompson


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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