Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???
Paul Doggett
Cheers Allen, Â most are correctable but the ends are the major item I need to find out about.
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On 18 Feb 2020, at 18:09, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
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Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???
Allen Cain
In addition to the floor previously noted there are several detail differences: Tack Board Locations one high, one middle Bottom Rib on Doors on C&EI is shorter Side corner brace angles appear to be different Horizontal "reinforcement" on lower part of side channel on WAB not on C&EI Ladder on C&EI while drop grab irons on WAB Door low handles on C&EI with mid door grabs on WAB and different styles Cannot see the roof and ends on the C&EI but MIGHT be another difference. Will leave it to others to count the rivets! Allen Cain
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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming
mopacfirst
That's the best answer I've heard all day.
Ron Merrick
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Allen Cain
Thanks everyone for the EXCELLENT help. It would appear that the transition from VSX to VCSX occurred late 1961 or early 1962. Allen Cain
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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming
Bill Welch
You caught me Doug. I call it "Modeler's Compromise"âwhat I do when trying to get all the details on yet accepting not everything lines up as expected. I do it instead of throwing it on the floor and stomping on it.
Bill Welch
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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming
Bill as always, outstanding work. I do have what may be a technical question: Looking at the close up of the door area details, I noticed the door seems to be sitting lower than the angle iron side sheeting support just to the right of the door. My question how does the door slide past that angle iron? In the prototype photo it appears the angle iron is either below the door bottom, ie behind the door track, or it is cut short on that side. I canât tell.  Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org Â
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 8:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming  One last look at my Styrene and Resin Piedmont & Northern 40-foot boxcar with Vertical Murphy ends (thanks to Dr. Dave Campbell at Yuma Car & Foundry) and Hutchins roof before it is primed. Other highlights include shortened Tichy âSuperiorâ doors, square brake shaft, and scratch built doorstops, placard boards, draft gear buffers and ladders. The Hutchins roof was harvested from an Accurail 8-panel single sheathed boxcar and copied in resin. It was also widened slightly by cutting it down the middle and adding styrene shim. To make the âLâ section batten strip I cut .005 sheet styrene into narrow strips and then glued the base to the car side with sparing amounts of Testorâs so as to not to distort it and then gave the cement 24-hours to cure. Next I added the second strip on edge and again allowed that to cure for a day. Again I was sparing with the Testors There are 330 rivets harvested from Athearn âblue boxâ freight carsâthe larger ones visible on the Gusset Plates are from their gondola while the smaller ones (and the majority) are from their steel boxcar. There are sixty such harvested rivets attached to the batten strip, twelve for each ladder, nine for door door jam, and so on. The larger rivets or bolt heads seen on the edges and sides of the ends are Tichy .020 rivets. To me it is kind of magical when the primer or paint goes onto a model. Even though it obscures the details that get added in making a model like this, it immediately transforms it too.
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Allen Cain
Thanks to all who helped. Great info! I also want to give a shout out to Broadway Limited. The sent a copy of the artwork drawing and ORER for the closest year they had with the company listed. Allen Cain
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Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???
Paul Doggett
Johannes
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Thank you Paul Doggett
On 18 Feb 2020, at 16:01, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@gmx.net> wrote:
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Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???
vapeurchapelon
And the Wabash car has grab irons instead of side ladders.
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Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 um 16:57 Uhr
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Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???
vapeurchapelon
Hello Paul,
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the floor of the Wabash car is a fishbelly type, whereas the C&EI is "flat". Greetings Johannes modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 um 16:57 Uhr
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What is the major difference between these cars ???
Paul Doggett
Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Doug Pillow
Virginia Chemical was/is located in West Norfolk,apart of Portsmouth Va. It was serviced by the Atlantic & Danville, later the Norfolk, Franklin and Danville, NS, and now I believe by a short line sucessor to NF&D Doug Pillow
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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming
vapeurchapelon
Hello Bill,
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this is just great looking! Strange ends, retainer on the "wrong" side - a real stand-out car.
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Johannes
modeling the early poat-war years up to about 1953
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Gesendet:Â Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 um 15:43 Uhr
Von:Â "Bill Welch" <fgexbill@...> An:Â main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff:Â [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming One last look at my Styrene and Resin Piedmont & Northern 40-foot boxcar with Vertical Murphy ends (thanks to Dr. Dave Campbell at Yuma Car & Foundry) and Hutchins roof before it is primed. Other highlights include shortened Tichy âSuperiorâ doors, square brake shaft, and scratch built doorstops, placard boards, draft gear buffers and ladders. The Hutchins roof was harvested from an Accurail 8-panel single sheathed boxcar and copied in resin. It was also widened slightly by cutting it down the middle and adding styrene shim. To make the âLâ section batten strip I cut .005 sheet styrene into narrow strips and then glued the base to the car side with sparing amounts of Testorâs so as to not to distort it and then gave the cement 24-hours to cure. Next I added the second strip on edge and again allowed that to cure for a day. Again I was sparing with the Testors There are 330 rivets harvested from Athearn âblue boxâ freight carsâthe larger ones visible on the Gusset Plates are from their gondola while the smaller ones (and the majority) are from their steel boxcar. There are sixty such harvested rivets attached to the batten strip, twelve for each ladder, nine for door door jam, and so on. The larger rivets or bolt heads seen on the edges and sides of the ends are Tichy .020 rivets. To me it is kind of magical when the primer or paint goes onto a model. Even though it obscures the details that get added in making a model like this, it immediately transforms it too.
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Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming
Bill Welch
One last look at my Styrene and Resin Piedmont & Northern 40-foot boxcar with Vertical Murphy ends (thanks to Dr. Dave Campbell at Yuma Car & Foundry) and Hutchins roof before it is primed. Other highlights include shortened Tichy âSuperiorâ doors, square brake shaft, and scratch built doorstops, placard boards, draft gear buffers and ladders. The Hutchins roof was harvested from an Accurail 8-panel single sheathed boxcar and copied in resin. It was also widened slightly by cutting it down the middle and adding styrene shim. To make the âLâ section batten strip I cut .005 sheet styrene into narrow strips and then glued the base to the car side with sparing amounts of Testorâs so as to not to distort it and then gave the cement 24-hours to cure. Next I added the second strip on edge and again allowed that to cure for a day. Again I was sparing with the Testors There are 330 rivets harvested from Athearn âblue boxâ freight carsâthe larger ones visible on the Gusset Plates are from their gondola while the smaller ones (and the majority) are from their steel boxcar. There are sixty such harvested rivets attached to the batten strip, twelve for each ladder, nine for door door jam, and so on. The larger rivets or bolt heads seen on the edges and sides of the ends are Tichy .020 rivets. To me it is kind of magical when the primer or paint goes onto a model. Even though it obscures the details that get added in making a model like this, it immediately transforms it too.
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Allan Smith
Attached are copies of the 1938, 1944, 1952, 1958 ORERS for Virginia Smelting Co. Al Smith Sonora CA
On Monday, February 17, 2020, 01:40:14 PM PST, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:
As always, Ian Cranstone's tabulation of reporting marks is a very good place to start (I should of looked there first): -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: GRAB IRONS
WILLIAM PARDIE
The initial .008 grabs from BLMA were stainless steel. Later I believe they used phosper bronze..The ones that I just received from Atlas seem to be brass. I have not tested them. Bill Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Dave Parker via Groups.Io" <spottab@...> Date: 2/16/20 3:30 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GRAB IRONS I have bent some SS grabs out of guitar strings, but I don't think there have been any commercial offerings, at least recently. -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Dave Parker
As always, Ian Cranstone's tabulation of reporting marks is a very good place to start (I should of looked there first):
-- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Virginia Smelting Company is listed on page 687of the July 1945 ORER.
The reporting marks are V.S.X. The car list is similar to that posted by Dave--some cars added, some cars removed--a total of 33 cars. Â There IS 116 and 119, there is NOT 120 and 121. April 1961 still shows VSX. Â The reporting marks for the company (and the name, sort of) were changed between that date and July 1965 to VCSX. Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Schleigh Mike
VCSX and Virginia Chemical, Inc are  not listed in either the Oct 1958 or Oct 1959 issues of the ORER. Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.
On Monday, February 17, 2020, 03:25:48 PM EST, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:
I am looking for information on Virginia Chemical Tank cars as offered by Broadway Limited (Item # 6125). These cars have built dates of 1941 and 1946 but do not appear in my 1953, 1954 or 1955 ORER. However they have "Test" dates in 1958 thru 1960. This leads me to assume that they were originally lettered for another road and later re-lettered for Virginia Chemical. If you have an ORER for 1956 to 1959 I would appreciate it if you could see if these cars are listed and if so can you tell me their classification type code? VCSX 116 VCSX 119 VCSX 120 VCSX 121 And if anyone has background information on Virginia Chemical it would be appreciated. Thanks, Allen Cain
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