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Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???

Allen Cain
 

In addition to the floor previously noted there are several detail differences:

Roof Corners notched on C&EI
Tack Board Locations one high, one middle
Bottom Rib on Doors on C&EI is shorter
Side corner brace angles appear to be different
Horizontal "reinforcement" on lower part of side channel on WAB not on C&EI
Ladder on C&EI while drop grab irons on WAB
Door low handles on C&EI with mid door grabs on WAB and different styles

Cannot see the roof and ends on the C&EI but MIGHT be another difference.

Will leave it to others to count the rivets!

Allen Cain



Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

mopacfirst
 

That's the best answer I've heard all day.

Ron Merrick


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Allen Cain
 

Thanks everyone for the EXCELLENT help.

It would appear that the transition from VSX to VCSX occurred late 1961 or early 1962.

Allen Cain


Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

Bill Welch
 

You caught me Doug. I call it "Modeler's Compromise"—what I do when trying to get all the details on yet accepting not everything lines up as expected. I do it instead of throwing it on the floor and stomping on it.

Bill Welch


Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

Douglas Harding
 

Bill as always, outstanding work. I do have what may be a technical question: Looking at the close up of the door area details, I noticed the door seems to be sitting lower than the angle iron side sheeting support just to the right of the door. My question how does the door slide past that angle iron? In the prototype photo it appears the angle iron is either below the door bottom, ie behind the door track, or it is cut short on that side. I can’t tell.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 8:44 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

 

One last look at my Styrene and Resin Piedmont & Northern 40-foot boxcar with Vertical Murphy ends (thanks to Dr. Dave Campbell at Yuma Car & Foundry) and Hutchins roof before it is primed. Other highlights include shortened Tichy “Superior” doors, square brake shaft, and scratch built doorstops, placard boards, draft gear buffers and ladders. The Hutchins roof was harvested from an Accurail 8-panel single sheathed boxcar and copied in resin. It was also widened slightly by cutting it down the middle and adding styrene shim.

To make the “L” section batten strip I cut .005 sheet styrene into narrow strips and then glued the base to the car side with sparing amounts of Testor’s so as to not to distort it and then gave the cement 24-hours to cure. Next I added the second strip on edge and again allowed that to cure for a day. Again I was sparing with the Testors

There are 330 rivets harvested from Athearn “blue box” freight cars—the larger ones visible on the Gusset Plates are from their gondola while the smaller ones (and the majority) are from their steel boxcar. There are sixty such harvested rivets attached to the batten strip, twelve for each ladder, nine for door door jam, and so on. The larger rivets or bolt heads seen on the edges and sides of the ends are Tichy .020 rivets.

To me it is kind of magical when the primer or paint goes onto a model. Even though it obscures the details that get added in making a model like this, it immediately transforms it too.

Bill Welch


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Allen Cain
 

Thanks to all who helped. Great info!

I also want to give a shout out to Broadway Limited. The sent a copy of the artwork drawing and ORER for the closest year they had with the company listed.

Allen Cain


Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???

Paul Doggett
 

Johannes

Thank you

Paul Doggett

On 18 Feb 2020, at 16:01, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Hello Paul,

the floor of the Wabash car is a fishbelly type, whereas the C&EI is "flat".

Greetings

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿





Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???

vapeurchapelon
 

And the Wabash car has grab irons instead of side ladders.

Johannes

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Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿




Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Paul,

the floor of the Wabash car is a fishbelly type, whereas the C&EI is "flat".

Greetings

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 um 16:57 Uhr
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Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿




What is the major difference between these cars ???

Paul Doggett
 

Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Doug Pillow
 

Virginia Chemical was/is located in West Norfolk,apart of Portsmouth Va. It was serviced by the Atlantic & Danville, later the Norfolk, Franklin and Danville, NS, and now I believe by a short line sucessor to NF&D

Doug Pillow


Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Bill,
 
This is indeed a work of art!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 9:43 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

One last look at my Styrene and Resin Piedmont & Northern 40-foot boxcar with Vertical Murphy ends (thanks to Dr. Dave Campbell at Yuma Car & Foundry) and Hutchins roof before it is primed. Other highlights include shortened Tichy “Superior” doors, square brake shaft, and scratch built doorstops, placard boards, draft gear buffers and ladders. The Hutchins roof was harvested from an Accurail 8-panel single sheathed boxcar and copied in resin. It was also widened slightly by cutting it down the middle and adding styrene shim.

To make the “L” section batten strip I cut .005 sheet styrene into narrow strips and then glued the base to the car side with sparing amounts of Testor’s so as to not to distort it and then gave the cement 24-hours to cure. Next I added the second strip on edge and again allowed that to cure for a day. Again I was sparing with the Testors

There are 330 rivets harvested from Athearn “blue box” freight cars—the larger ones visible on the Gusset Plates are from their gondola while the smaller ones (and the majority) are from their steel boxcar. There are sixty such harvested rivets attached to the batten strip, twelve for each ladder, nine for door door jam, and so on. The larger rivets or bolt heads seen on the edges and sides of the ends are Tichy .020 rivets.

To me it is kind of magical when the primer or paint goes onto a model. Even though it obscures the details that get added in making a model like this, it immediately transforms it too.

Bill Welch


Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Bill,
 
this is just great looking! Strange ends, retainer on the "wrong" side - a real stand-out car.
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
modeling the early poat-war years up to about 1953
 
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Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

One last look at my Styrene and Resin Piedmont & Northern 40-foot boxcar with Vertical Murphy ends (thanks to Dr. Dave Campbell at Yuma Car & Foundry) and Hutchins roof before it is primed. Other highlights include shortened Tichy “Superior” doors, square brake shaft, and scratch built doorstops, placard boards, draft gear buffers and ladders. The Hutchins roof was harvested from an Accurail 8-panel single sheathed boxcar and copied in resin. It was also widened slightly by cutting it down the middle and adding styrene shim.

To make the “L” section batten strip I cut .005 sheet styrene into narrow strips and then glued the base to the car side with sparing amounts of Testor’s so as to not to distort it and then gave the cement 24-hours to cure. Next I added the second strip on edge and again allowed that to cure for a day. Again I was sparing with the Testors

There are 330 rivets harvested from Athearn “blue box” freight cars—the larger ones visible on the Gusset Plates are from their gondola while the smaller ones (and the majority) are from their steel boxcar. There are sixty such harvested rivets attached to the batten strip, twelve for each ladder, nine for door door jam, and so on. The larger rivets or bolt heads seen on the edges and sides of the ends are Tichy .020 rivets.

To me it is kind of magical when the primer or paint goes onto a model. Even though it obscures the details that get added in making a model like this, it immediately transforms it too.

Bill Welch


Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

Bill Welch
 

One last look at my Styrene and Resin Piedmont & Northern 40-foot boxcar with Vertical Murphy ends (thanks to Dr. Dave Campbell at Yuma Car & Foundry) and Hutchins roof before it is primed. Other highlights include shortened Tichy “Superior” doors, square brake shaft, and scratch built doorstops, placard boards, draft gear buffers and ladders. The Hutchins roof was harvested from an Accurail 8-panel single sheathed boxcar and copied in resin. It was also widened slightly by cutting it down the middle and adding styrene shim.

To make the “L” section batten strip I cut .005 sheet styrene into narrow strips and then glued the base to the car side with sparing amounts of Testor’s so as to not to distort it and then gave the cement 24-hours to cure. Next I added the second strip on edge and again allowed that to cure for a day. Again I was sparing with the Testors

There are 330 rivets harvested from Athearn “blue box” freight cars—the larger ones visible on the Gusset Plates are from their gondola while the smaller ones (and the majority) are from their steel boxcar. There are sixty such harvested rivets attached to the batten strip, twelve for each ladder, nine for door door jam, and so on. The larger rivets or bolt heads seen on the edges and sides of the ends are Tichy .020 rivets.

To me it is kind of magical when the primer or paint goes onto a model. Even though it obscures the details that get added in making a model like this, it immediately transforms it too.

Bill Welch


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Allan Smith
 

Attached are copies of the 1938, 1944, 1952, 1958 ORERS for Virginia Smelting Co.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Monday, February 17, 2020, 01:40:14 PM PST, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:


As always, Ian Cranstone's tabulation of reporting marks is a very good place to start (I should of looked there first):







--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: GRAB IRONS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

The initial .008 grabs from BLMA were stainless steel.  Later I believe they used phosper bronze..The ones that I just received from Atlas seem to be brass.  I have not tested them.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Dave Parker via Groups.Io" <spottab@...>
Date: 2/16/20 3:30 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GRAB IRONS

I believe Bill was asking specifically for scale (0.008") grabs, for which BLMA/Atlas and Tangent fill the bill.  Tichy does not.

I have bent some SS grabs out of guitar strings, but I don't think there have been any commercial offerings, at least recently.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Dave Parker
 

As always, Ian Cranstone's tabulation of reporting marks is a very good place to start (I should of looked there first):







--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

spsalso
 
Edited

Virginia Smelting Company is listed on page 687of the July 1945 ORER.

The reporting marks are V.S.X.

The car list is similar to that posted by Dave--some cars added, some cars removed--a total of 33 cars.  There IS 116 and 119, there is NOT 120 and 121.

April 1961 still shows VSX.  The reporting marks for the company (and the name, sort of) were changed between that date and July 1965 to VCSX.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Schleigh Mike
 

VCSX and Virginia Chemical, Inc are  not listed in either the Oct 1958 or Oct 1959 issues of the ORER.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Monday, February 17, 2020, 03:25:48 PM EST, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


I am looking for information on Virginia Chemical Tank cars as offered by Broadway Limited (Item # 6125).  These cars have built dates of 1941 and 1946 but do not appear in my 1953, 1954 or 1955 ORER.  However they have "Test" dates in 1958 thru 1960. 

This leads me to assume that they were originally lettered for another road and later re-lettered for Virginia Chemical.

If you have an ORER for 1956 to 1959 I would appreciate it if you could see if these cars are listed and if so can you tell me their classification type code?

VCSX 116
VCSX 119
VCSX 120
VCSX 121

And if anyone has background information on Virginia Chemical it would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Dave Parker
 

A little later than you requested, but there they are:



--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA