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Re: Help with freight car list

Rich Gibson
 

Actually, there is a contradiction between the two lists in the report. The first list shows HERX 10916. The second list shows HCRX 10916. All the other HERX cars are numbered in the 2000’s. HCRX would be Houston Creosote Co.

Rich Gibson
Golden,CO


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

mopacfirst
 

Here's one.  Shipper would have been Frontier Chemical, which at the time was a division of Vulcan Materials, now Oxy (Occidental Chemicals).

This car is unmarked, but that's not necessarily indicating whether or not it was on lease.  I'd say it was certainly possible that the cars could have moved empty sometimes, but more than likely a loaded car went to a customer with full containers and returned with empty containers from the last shipment.

Ron Merrick


Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


I have numerous photos of these cannister flat cars, and they are always loaded with
their cannisters. The precise style of cannisters does vary - perhaps related to the
commodity, or time period? They all have 15 cannisters in my photos.

Was ACF the builder of all these cars?

Tim O'


On 2/19/2020 2:45 PM, James E Kubanick wrote:
When I lived out East during the 1980's there was a small water treatment plant in Lansdale PA that still received these cars. I believe that the cars were returned with empty canisters aboard. I never saw a car without them, but practices may vary - especially during our timeframe.

Jim Kubanick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 8:24:24 PM EST, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s.  The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos."  I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back.  Neat stuff even now!  The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011).  This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER.

Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car.

Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

James E Kubanick
 

When I lived out East during the 1980's there was a small water treatment plant in Lansdale PA that still received these cars. I believe that the cars were returned with empty canisters aboard. I never saw a car without them, but practices may vary - especially during our timeframe.

Jim Kubanick

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 8:24:24 PM EST, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s.  The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos."  I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back.  Neat stuff even now!  The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011).  This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER.

Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car.

Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 07:23:11 PM EST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


I have one of those.  (It's not here right now.)  I don't recall the 'cannisters' being that heavy, but I generally ran the car empty because it looked better that way.  I think they were just called 'one-ton containers'.  Googling that produces an article in the AWWA Journal from 1927, so the containers go back at least that far.  They were definitely still in use past the end of this list.

The aluminum model ones were a little too roundy at the ends for my taste, but the bulge in the heads is pretty accurate.

Ron Merrick


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks for the input guys! I think this may be a long research project....


Elden Gatwood

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FIVE Hershey's chocolate box cars, wow!



On 2/19/2020 7:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:


Folks;

Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report?

I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed.

I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Elden Gatwood

Attachments:
PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf: Blockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/170027/0


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Sudan. PA

mopacfirst
 

The topic of the P&WV derailment got me to look up Sudan, PA.  I didn't get as far as trying to track down the location of this siding because the first thing I saw on the Google map was Narrow Gauge Road.  It goes under the railroad bridge that spans Pigeon Creek, at the bridge's south end.  At the bridge's north end, incidentally, is Cracker Jack Road.  Anyone familiar enough with the area to comment?

Surely this has something to do with freight cars.....

Ron Merrick


Re: Help with freight car list

Tim O'Connor
 


FIVE Hershey's chocolate box cars, wow!



On 2/19/2020 7:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Folks;

Without my ORERs, I am lost.  Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report?

I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed.

I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those.   A very interesting group of cars!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Elden Gatwood

Attachments:
PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/170027/0

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Northern Pacific Railway Equipment Rosters

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

If you are interested in NP Freight Cars the NPRHA has in it's collection the NP Equipment Ledgers.

These were used to keep track of equipment numbers, this set starts in the 1920s and goes to the 1980s (past the BN merger).

They include ALL rolling stock, Freight, Passenger, Locomotives, Cabooses, Work Equipment, etc.

They have been scanned and are on the NPRHA website:

http://www.nprha.org/Equipment/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2FEquipment%2FNumerical%20Registers&FolderCTID=0x012000AE06538EF97BDB49AD7B7DE80BC02CA7

-Hudson


Re: Help with freight car list

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bruce;

Well, well! I do need to get my eyes checked!

I wonder what the story was on those cars....

This is a tremendously interesting train.

Elden Gatwood

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Elden,

The docs you supplied said that they were “R” and “E” so that would mean empty reefers. The P&W web page on AAR Marks (Blockedhttps://www.pwrr.org/rrm/rrmh.html) says:
*(NATX) GENERAL ELECTRIC RAILCAR SERVICES CORP.
(HERSHEY FOOD PROD.- LESSEE) {NORTH AMERICAN CAR CO.]

Regards

Bruce




Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> > wrote:

Bruce;

I was under the impression those HERX cars were Hercules tank cars, no? I need to get my eyes checked....

Yes, fabulous what some of these wreck reports tell us about what was in a consist!

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list

Elden,

What a great set of documents! I see that Hershey’s (HERX) lost 5 reefers in this wreck!

Regards

Bruce




Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."


Re: Help with freight car list

Bruce Smith
 

Elden,

The docs you supplied said that they were “R” and “E” so that would mean empty reefers. The P&W web page on AAR Marks (https://www.pwrr.org/rrm/rrmh.html) says:
*(NATX) GENERAL ELECTRIC RAILCAR SERVICES CORP. 
  (HERSHEY FOOD PROD.- LESSEE) {NORTH AMERICAN CAR CO.]

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Bruce;

I was under the impression those HERX cars were Hercules tank cars, no?  I need to get my eyes checked....

Yes, fabulous what some of these wreck reports tell us about what was in a consist!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list

Elden,

What a great set of documents!  I see that Hershey’s (HERX) lost 5 reefers in this wreck!

Regards

Bruce




Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."


Re: Help with freight car list

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bruce;

I was under the impression those HERX cars were Hercules tank cars, no? I need to get my eyes checked....

Yes, fabulous what some of these wreck reports tell us about what was in a consist!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:33 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
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Elden,

What a great set of documents! I see that Hershey’s (HERX) lost 5 reefers in this wreck!

Regards

Bruce




Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





On Feb 19, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> > wrote:

Folks;

Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report?

I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed.

I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Elden Gatwood



<PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf>


Re: Help with freight car list

Bruce Smith
 

Elden,

What a great set of documents!  I see that Hershey’s (HERX) lost 5 reefers in this wreck!

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 19, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Folks;

Without my ORERs, I am lost.  Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report?  

I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed.

I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those.   A very interesting group of cars!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Elden Gatwood



<PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf>


Help with freight car list

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Folks;

Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report?

I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed.

I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Elden Gatwood


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

They are, indeed. They carried a group of cylindrical cannisters that could be unloaded separately, and transported to various parts of a plant, most often water treatment plants.

Elden Gatwood

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I think the "106A500" tank cars are cannister tank cars like this drawing.



On 2/17/2020 3:34 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:


A little later than you requested, but there they are:



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Swall Meadows, CA

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Schleigh Mike
 

One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s.  The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos."  I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back.  Neat stuff even now!  The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011).  This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER.

Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car.

Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 07:23:11 PM EST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


I have one of those.  (It's not here right now.)  I don't recall the 'cannisters' being that heavy, but I generally ran the car empty because it looked better that way.  I think they were just called 'one-ton containers'.  Googling that produces an article in the AWWA Journal from 1927, so the containers go back at least that far.  They were definitely still in use past the end of this list.

The aluminum model ones were a little too roundy at the ends for my taste, but the bulge in the heads is pretty accurate.

Ron Merrick


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
I have a builders image of VSX 20, it is a canister car, ACF lot 188. It rides on archbar trucks. No date on the image.
 
I also have a builders image of VSX 103, it is more conventional tank car, ACF lot 9471 dated 30 Apr 1923. The car is on archbar trucks.
 
Finally, I also have a builders image of VSX 106, a conventional tank car, ACF lot 20 dated 17 Aug 1925. The car is also on archbar trucks.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

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I think the "106A500" tank cars are cannister tank cars like this drawing.



On 2/17/2020 3:34 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:

A little later than you requested, but there they are:



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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Attachments:

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

mopacfirst
 

I have one of those.  (It's not here right now.)  I don't recall the 'cannisters' being that heavy, but I generally ran the car empty because it looked better that way.  I think they were just called 'one-ton containers'.  Googling that produces an article in the AWWA Journal from 1927, so the containers go back at least that far.  They were definitely still in use past the end of this list.

The aluminum model ones were a little too roundy at the ends for my taste, but the bulge in the heads is pretty accurate.

Ron Merrick


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

James E Kubanick
 

Those brass models were imported by MTS way back when. I made new tanks out of aluminum tubing, making the car lighter but still on the heavy side.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV



On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 7:06:18 PM EST, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


As I recall a brass importer brought in cannister cars with the cannisters made out of solid aluminum, making the car much heavier than most brass heavyweight passenger cars.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

 


I think the "106A500" tank cars are cannister tank cars like this drawing.



On 2/17/2020 3:34 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:

A little later than you requested, but there they are:



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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Attachments:

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

gary laakso
 

As I recall a brass importer brought in cannister cars with the cannisters made out of solid aluminum, making the car much heavier than most brass heavyweight passenger cars.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

 


I think the "106A500" tank cars are cannister tank cars like this drawing.



On 2/17/2020 3:34 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:

A little later than you requested, but there they are:



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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Attachments:

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the "106A500" tank cars are cannister tank cars like this drawing.



On 2/17/2020 3:34 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
A little later than you requested, but there they are:



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Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Attachments:

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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