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Re: Help with freight car list
Rich Gibson
Actually, there is a contradiction between the two lists in the report. The first list shows HERX 10916. The second list shows HCRX 10916. All the other HERX cars are numbered in the 2000’s. HCRX would be Houston Creosote Co.
Rich Gibson Golden,CO
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Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)
mopacfirst
Here's one. Shipper would have been Frontier Chemical, which at the time was a division of Vulcan Materials, now Oxy (Occidental Chemicals).
This car is unmarked, but that's not necessarily indicating whether or not it was on lease. I'd say it was certainly possible that the cars could have moved empty sometimes, but more than likely a loaded car went to a customer with full containers and returned with empty containers from the last shipment. Ron Merrick
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Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)
I have numerous photos of these cannister flat cars, and they are always loaded with their cannisters. The precise style of cannisters does vary - perhaps related to the commodity, or time period? They all have 15 cannisters in my photos. Was ACF the builder of all these cars? Tim O'
On 2/19/2020 2:45 PM, James E Kubanick wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
When I lived out East during the 1980's there was a small water treatment plant in Lansdale PA that still received these cars. I believe that the cars were returned with empty canisters aboard. I never saw a car without them, but practices may vary - especially during our timeframe. Jim Kubanick
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 8:24:24 PM EST, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:
One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s. The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos." I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back. Neat stuff even now! The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011). This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER. Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car. Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 07:23:11 PM EST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
I have one of those. (It's not here right now.) I don't recall the 'cannisters' being that heavy, but I generally ran the car empty because it looked better that way. I think they were just called 'one-ton containers'. Googling that produces an article in the AWWA Journal from 1927, so the containers go back at least that far. They were definitely still in use past the end of this list. The aluminum model ones were a little too roundy at the ends for my taste, but the bulge in the heads is pretty accurate. Ron Merrick
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks for the input guys! I think this may be a long research project....
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 1:13 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list FIVE Hershey's chocolate box cars, wow! On 2/19/2020 7:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote: Folks; Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report? I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed. I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars! Any help is greatly appreciated! Elden Gatwood Attachments: PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf: Blockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/170027/0 -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Sudan. PA
mopacfirst
The topic of the P&WV derailment got me to look up Sudan, PA. I didn't get as far as trying to track down the location of this siding because the first thing I saw on the Google map was Narrow Gauge Road. It goes under the railroad bridge that spans Pigeon Creek, at the bridge's south end. At the bridge's north end, incidentally, is Cracker Jack Road. Anyone familiar enough with the area to comment?
Surely this has something to do with freight cars..... Ron Merrick
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Re: Help with freight car list
FIVE Hershey's chocolate box cars, wow!
On 2/19/2020 7:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
Folks; Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report? I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed. I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars! Any help is greatly appreciated! Elden Gatwood Attachments: PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/170027/0 --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Northern Pacific Railway Equipment Rosters
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
If you are interested in NP Freight Cars the NPRHA has in it's collection the NP Equipment Ledgers.
These were used to keep track of equipment numbers, this set starts in the 1920s and goes to the 1980s (past the BN merger). They include ALL rolling stock, Freight, Passenger, Locomotives, Cabooses, Work Equipment, etc. They have been scanned and are on the NPRHA website: http://www.nprha.org/Equipment/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2FEquipment%2FNumerical%20Registers&FolderCTID=0x012000AE06538EF97BDB49AD7B7DE80BC02CA7 -Hudson
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Re: Help with freight car list
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Bruce;
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Well, well! I do need to get my eyes checked! I wonder what the story was on those cars.... This is a tremendously interesting train. Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:49 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list Elden, The docs you supplied said that they were “R” and “E” so that would mean empty reefers. The P&W web page on AAR Marks (Blockedhttps://www.pwrr.org/rrm/rrmh.html) says: *(NATX) GENERAL ELECTRIC RAILCAR SERVICES CORP. (HERSHEY FOOD PROD.- LESSEE) {NORTH AMERICAN CAR CO.] Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." On Feb 19, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> > wrote: Bruce; I was under the impression those HERX cars were Hercules tank cars, no? I need to get my eyes checked.... Yes, fabulous what some of these wreck reports tell us about what was in a consist! Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:33 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list Elden, What a great set of documents! I see that Hershey’s (HERX) lost 5 reefers in this wreck! Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Help with freight car list
Elden,
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The docs you supplied said that they were “R” and “E” so that would mean empty reefers. The P&W web page on AAR Marks (https://www.pwrr.org/rrm/rrmh.html) says:
*(NATX) GENERAL ELECTRIC RAILCAR SERVICES CORP. (HERSHEY FOOD PROD.- LESSEE) {NORTH AMERICAN CAR CO.] Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: Help with freight car list
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Bruce;
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I was under the impression those HERX cars were Hercules tank cars, no? I need to get my eyes checked.... Yes, fabulous what some of these wreck reports tell us about what was in a consist! Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 8:33 AM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Help with freight car list Elden, What a great set of documents! I see that Hershey’s (HERX) lost 5 reefers in this wreck! Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." On Feb 19, 2020, at 6:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> > wrote: Folks; Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report? I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed. I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars! Any help is greatly appreciated! Elden Gatwood <PWV Sudan_Derailment_10_5_63.pdf>
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Re: Help with freight car list
Elden,
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What a great set of documents! I see that Hershey’s (HERX) lost 5 reefers in this wreck!
Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Help with freight car list
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Folks;
Without my ORERs, I am lost. Could anyone identify any of the cars listed in this accident report? I noted that this train was tank car heavy, and that an unusual number of cars were destroyed. I am unfamiliar with some of the trains of the P&WV, and this is sure one of those. A very interesting group of cars! Any help is greatly appreciated! Elden Gatwood
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
They are, indeed. They carried a group of cylindrical cannisters that could be unloaded separately, and transported to various parts of a plant, most often water treatment plants.
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Elden Gatwood
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 6:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Virginia Chemical Tank Cars I think the "106A500" tank cars are cannister tank cars like this drawing. On 2/17/2020 3:34 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote: A little later than you requested, but there they are: -- Dave Parker Swall Meadows, CA Attachments: * dummyfile.0.part <Blockedhttps://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/169991/0> _ -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Schleigh Mike
One of these canister cars was the basis of a scratchbuilding article in Model Railroader way back in the early 1950s. The article was republished in a 'reprint' collection called "Build Your Own Model Cars and Locos." I still have my tattered copy from some some 60 years back. Neat stuff even now! The model was largely brass, called a "chlorine car," carried 14 canisters, and was lettered for Penna. Salt Mfg. (PSMX 1011). This car is listed in my copy of the January 1946 ORER. Bob's Photo has sold a couple different images of this type of car. Regards from Grove City, Penna. where winter is creeping back----Mike Schleigh
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 07:23:11 PM EST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:
I have one of those. (It's not here right now.) I don't recall the 'cannisters' being that heavy, but I generally ran the car empty because it looked better that way. I think they were just called 'one-ton containers'. Googling that produces an article in the AWWA Journal from 1927, so the containers go back at least that far. They were definitely still in use past the end of this list. The aluminum model ones were a little too roundy at the ends for my taste, but the bulge in the heads is pretty accurate. Ron Merrick
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi List Members,
I have a builders image of VSX 20, it is a
canister car, ACF lot 188. It rides on archbar trucks. No date on the
image.
I also have a builders image of VSX 103, it is
more conventional tank car, ACF lot 9471 dated 30 Apr 1923. The car is on
archbar trucks.
Finally, I also have a builders image of VSX
106, a conventional tank car, ACF lot 20 dated 17 Aug 1925. The
car is also on archbar trucks.
Claus Schlund
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
mopacfirst
I have one of those. (It's not here right now.) I don't recall the 'cannisters' being that heavy, but I generally ran the car empty because it looked better that way. I think they were just called 'one-ton containers'. Googling that produces an article in the AWWA Journal from 1927, so the containers go back at least that far. They were definitely still in use past the end of this list.
The aluminum model ones were a little too roundy at the ends for my taste, but the bulge in the heads is pretty accurate. Ron Merrick
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
Those brass models were imported by MTS way back when. I made new tanks out of aluminum tubing, making the car lighter but still on the heavy side. Jim Kubanick Morgantown WV
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 7:06:18 PM EST, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:
As I recall a brass importer brought in cannister cars with the cannisters made out of solid aluminum, making the car much heavier than most brass heavyweight passenger cars.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
gary laakso
As I recall a brass importer brought in cannister cars with the cannisters made out of solid aluminum, making the car much heavier than most brass heavyweight passenger cars.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:47 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
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Re: Virginia Chemical Tank Cars
I think the "106A500" tank cars are cannister tank cars like this drawing.
On 2/17/2020 3:34 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:
A little later than you requested, but there they are: --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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