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Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

David Soderblom
 

An interesting aspect of this photo is the rust on both trucks.  Maybe it’s “boxcar red” overspray, but I personally don’t recall seeing rust on freight car trucks because they always have so much oil and black all over them.

David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA





Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

rwitt_2000
 

A nice find at the time. Your photos illustrate why a weed wacker should the next thing in ones field pack after the cameras. :-)

Bob Witt

Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

Jim Gates
 


Based on the stake pocket positions and the rivets above the bolster I would say class Ft-G.

Jim Gates

On Friday, February 21, 2020, 03:41:47 PM CST, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Good friends,

Back in the late 1980s I discovered the remains of the Nelson & Albemarle Railroad, and its owner Alberene Stone Corporation in Schuyler, Virginia (the real-life Walton's Mountain of TV fame). The then-owner let me prowl around his property (yeah, I know liability, but this guy was known to walk around with a primed stick of dynamite sticking out of his shirt pocket).

I discovered that there were three ancient flat cars still in the plant. After the Nelson & Albemarle was abandoned in 1962, a short stretch of track was left intact between the factory and its associated machine shop for moving heavy machinery that might need repair. Three flatcars were retained, along with a small Plymouth locomotive. The locomotive was scrapped around 1967, but the flat cars were still in the weeds when I saw them around 1986 or 1987. I don't know if they are still there. The operation was sold to a Finish company around 1989, and they did some clean-up work on the property. I did mention to the Finish manager that these three cars would be welcome in any railroad museum, but my guess is they were scrapped.

One car was partially identifiable by the stake pockets which had ATSF CM 1921 cast into them. All three were still on arch bar trucks, which suggests they were on the property before WWII.

I have attached two photos of the car with the Santa Fe stake pockets for your commentary and approval. I would be curious to know what class the Santa Fe car was from, though I'm not sure all three were from the same source. They were very hard to inspect and photograph in the brush.

I'm going to head down that way one of these days and will see if by some miracle the cars are still there. Another miracle will be if they let me into the plant.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I saw a program on TV about such a move. The cars were chained together as well, to prevent accidental uncoupling.

 

 

Thanks!
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From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:11 PM
To: <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

 

I seem to remember seeing a similar picture years ago. It was undersea

telegraph or telephone cable.  It was wound spool to spool to spool and

continued across from car to car in one long continuous length.

Uncoupling levers had been removed, as I recall.

Chuck Peck

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:53 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi Andy and List Members,

 

Andy wrote: "Details aren't clear enough to tell what kind of loads these are, but there's 2 per car"

 

It is true the details are not clear enough, but to my eyes it looks like there are eight per car, arranged 4 long by 2 wide. each of the eight load items appears to have the wood secured with two dark black bands

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

 

Here's an enlargement of 2 of the mystery load cars. Details aren't clear enough to tell what kind of loads these are, but there's 2 per car.

Andy Jackson

Santa Fe Springs CA

 

Re: Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

Charlie Vlk
 

Garth-

Good find!   I looked on a satellite image but not knowing where to look and the probability that trees would shield them anyway didn’t see any trace of cars.   A winter satellite image might show something.  

I wonder if the cars were purchased secondhand or if the BNSF is still looking for them!!!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

 

Good friends,

 

Back in the late 1980s I discovered the remains of the Nelson & Albemarle Railroad, and its owner Alberene Stone Corporation in Schuyler, Virginia (the real-life Walton's Mountain of TV fame). The then-owner let me prowl around his property (yeah, I know liability, but this guy was known to walk around with a primed stick of dynamite sticking out of his shirt pocket).

 

I discovered that there were three ancient flat cars still in the plant. After the Nelson & Albemarle was abandoned in 1962, a short stretch of track was left intact between the factory and its associated machine shop for moving heavy machinery that might need repair. Three flatcars were retained, along with a small Plymouth locomotive. The locomotive was scrapped around 1967, but the flat cars were still in the weeds when I saw them around 1986 or 1987. I don't know if they are still there. The operation was sold to a Finish company around 1989, and they did some clean-up work on the property. I did mention to the Finish manager that these three cars would be welcome in any railroad museum, but my guess is they were scrapped.

 

One car was partially identifiable by the stake pockets which had ATSF CM 1921 cast into them. All three were still on arch bar trucks, which suggests they were on the property before WWII.

 

I have attached two photos of the car with the Santa Fe stake pockets for your commentary and approval. I would be curious to know what class the Santa Fe car was from, though I'm not sure all three were from the same source. They were very hard to inspect and photograph in the brush.

 

I'm going to head down that way one of these days and will see if by some miracle the cars are still there. Another miracle will be if they let me into the plant.


Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Rex Racer
 

For some strange reason I have been collecting information about these cars for awhile now. Here's what I have:

Initial builds by ACF started in the 1920's and production lasted to just before 1950. General American Car Co. and Standard Steel Car Co. also produced similar cars during this same time. Carrying capacities of these cars ranged from 60,000 to 80,000 pounds and had a capacity of fifteen horizontally mounted tanks. These cars were used by Columbia Alkali Gas Co., Hooker Chemical Co., E.L. Dupont and others. Some of these cars lasted until the 1990's. Main purpose was to provide chlorine to water treatment plants but had other uses as well.

SHPX 222 is identified as AAR type FM (flat general service); similar cars have also been denoted as AAR type TMU (tank multiple unit) because these cars really don't function as flat cars for any lading except removable, high pressure gas cylinders. These cars were used to handle acid gases like chlorine for customers without direct rail service or the inability to unload and store a full tank car load. The last large-scale user of this system is Department Of Defense. Many outdated chemical weapons materials traveled their last miles in these unusual tank cars. This car has been imported in brass at least 3 times in the last 30 years and was actually a "dollar model" project in Model Railroader magazine.

In addition to the cars listed, I also have photos of the following:

ACCX - 10 cars, 4 lots 1926-1935
ACFX - 401 to 441, 513, 522
ACF - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1941 (U.S.A. Chief of Engineers)
ATGX 105
BAKX - 2 cars, 2 lots 1931-1932
BCX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1926-1931
CACX (or possibly PPGX) - 21 cars, 2 lots 1936-1937
CALX - 3 cars, 3 lots 1927-1934
CILX (Canada) - 2 cars, 2 lots 1932, 1945 90, 92, and 450
C&NW 10864
DAX - 23 cars, 11 lots 1928-1946 309
DUPX - 15 cars, 3 lots 1926-1933 9010
EGBX 208 (Electro Bleaching Gas Co)
GCX - 26 cars, 1 lot, built 1948
GWEX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1927-1928
HOKX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1925-1926 (Hooker Chemicals), 211-213, 380, 385-387, 389, 391
JCIX 122, 131, 1136, 1137
MA? 365 (Mathieson) - Can't see all of reporting marks
MALX - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1925
MONX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1932-1936
PPGX 121
PSMX - 32 cars, 12 lots 1924-1948 (Pennsylvania Salt) 1001, 1003, 1005-1033
RTCX 340
SHPX - 101 cars, 16 lots 1937-1948 (lessees - Westvaco, DuPont, Diamond Chemical, likely others)
SPX - 44 cars, 11 lots 1927-1948 (Solvay Process Co.) 854
TELX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930
TENX - 4 cars, 1 lot, built 1949 (for sulphur dioxide containers)
USAX 16503 (US Army)
UTLX 80000-80003 - Believed to be former CILX 90-93. Renumbered in 1956

VCSX 212
VSX - 15 cars, 5 lots 1924-1929
WCX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930? (unsure about this order)




Old Santa Fe Flat Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Good friends,

Back in the late 1980s I discovered the remains of the Nelson & Albemarle Railroad, and its owner Alberene Stone Corporation in Schuyler, Virginia (the real-life Walton's Mountain of TV fame). The then-owner let me prowl around his property (yeah, I know liability, but this guy was known to walk around with a primed stick of dynamite sticking out of his shirt pocket).

I discovered that there were three ancient flat cars still in the plant. After the Nelson & Albemarle was abandoned in 1962, a short stretch of track was left intact between the factory and its associated machine shop for moving heavy machinery that might need repair. Three flatcars were retained, along with a small Plymouth locomotive. The locomotive was scrapped around 1967, but the flat cars were still in the weeds when I saw them around 1986 or 1987. I don't know if they are still there. The operation was sold to a Finish company around 1989, and they did some clean-up work on the property. I did mention to the Finish manager that these three cars would be welcome in any railroad museum, but my guess is they were scrapped.

One car was partially identifiable by the stake pockets which had ATSF CM 1921 cast into them. All three were still on arch bar trucks, which suggests they were on the property before WWII.

I have attached two photos of the car with the Santa Fe stake pockets for your commentary and approval. I would be curious to know what class the Santa Fe car was from, though I'm not sure all three were from the same source. They were very hard to inspect and photograph in the brush.

I'm going to head down that way one of these days and will see if by some miracle the cars are still there. Another miracle will be if they let me into the plant.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

 

There were 2 "tanks" on each flat car. Have to agree that those loads were redwood pipes since they were in such extensive use back then.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA


Re: Fw: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Steve Salotti
 

Hi Chuck,
I believe the load you are remembering was a cable load made by the Okonite Company in Paterson New Jersey for a cable line on the west coast.  The train was 13 Erie gons, and safety chains were welded between all of the cars.  As you said, it wound in tight circles in each car and then continuously into the next. I remember  it since Okonite was on the NYS&W and I model that plant on my layout (but not that train).
Steve Salotti

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Curt Fortenberry
 

Wood stave pipes are still being used here in Alaska.  It was still available up until recently and may still be in parts of the world. Performs well in old climates.


Curt Fortenberry 

Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 

Garth

I don't think the real estate around Taylor or the Bullring-Cornfield yards was
especially dear. I see many modest single family homes - at least in the STMFC era.

I don't think chemical weapons (other than LSD) were being made in California. :-)



On 2/21/2020 3:47 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Tim and Ed,

Two possibilities for the USAX cars:

Many large bases had their own water treatment facilities, which would have used chlorine. They used chlorine for more than just officers' swimming pools.

Even though we weren't supposed to have poison gas the US was still making chemical weapons up until 1969 "just in case". Chlorine was a component of some of these weapons, and maybe others I've never heard of.

Love the photo. I wonder what those rich people living up on the distant hills thought about the view in Taylor Yard's direction. Well, the railroad was there first.
 
Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 1:52 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Thanks for that roster Ed!

The attached photo may be one of those mysterious USA cars. From the Gerstley duplicates.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/21/2020 1:33 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
On Feb 19, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I have numerous photos of these cannister flat cars, and they are always loaded with
their cannisters. The precise style of cannisters does vary - perhaps related to the
commodity, or time period? They all have 15 cannisters in my photos.

Tim,
ACF wasn’t the only builder of cars of this type that were primarily used for chlorine containers. ACF records document the company built approximately 350 "Multi-Unit Tank Cars" from 1924 to 1958 comprised of 87 orders having lot numbers assigned. Roughly half of the cars were built before 1940 with the largest pre-1940 order being 16 cars.

Ten of these cars were built “for stock” for the U.S.A. Chief of Engineers. I don’t know the disposition of these lot 2370 cars built in July 1941. 

Six ACF builder photos of these cars are on the Barriger Flickr web site with 3/4-views & “B” end views of 3 of the earliest cars - lot 10, MALX 365; lot 188, VSX 204; lot 401, GWEX 4?? (angled view hides car number). 

List of ACF M-U tank cars by reporting marks to include the quantity of cars, number of orders, and range of build dates:
ACCX - 10 cars, 4 lots 1926-1935
ACF - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1941 (U.S.A. Chief of Engineers)
BAKX - 2 cars, 2 lots 1931-1932
BCX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1926-1931
CACX (or possibly PPGX) - 21 cars, 2 lots 1936-1937
CALX - 3 cars, 3 lots 1927-1934
CILX (Canada) - 2 cars, 2 lots 1932, 1945
DAX - 23 cars, 11 lots 1928-1946
DUPX - 15 cars, 3 lots 1926-1933
GCX - 26 cars, 1 lot, built 1948
GWEX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1927-1928
HOKX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1925-1926
MALX - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1925
MONX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1932-1936
PSMX - 32 cars, 12 lots 1924-1948
SHPX - 101 cars, 16 lots 1937-1948 (lessees - Westvaco, DuPont, Diamond Chemical, likely others)
SPX - 44 cars, 11 lots 1927-1948
TELX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930
TENX - 4 cars, 1 lot, built 1949 (for sulphur dioxide containers)
VSX - 15 cars, 5 lots 1924-1929
WCX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930? (unsure about this order)

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Rob for finding that. I had no idea wood pipe was still being manufactured in 1942.

I imagine that the war had a lot to do with it! :-)

Tim O'Connor

On 2/21/2020 10:31 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
That's the most plausible explanation I've heard so far.

Comparing the load to the flatcar says these things are about 4', maybe 4'-6" max, in diameter.  That's a reasonable size for water piping.  Two to a car longitudinally says they're 20' long more or less, which was and is a common length for joints of pipe.

I found a 1942 catalog of wood pipe which claimed extensive use, even at that date.  The war probably boosted its use a bit. http://www.waterworkshistory.us/tech/Pipe/1942WoodPipe.pdf
Not incidentally, they also built water tanks, which if I recall correctly had some use on railroads when they used those external combustion locomotives.

Ron Merrick, piping engineer
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Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim and Ed,

Two possibilities for the USAX cars:

Many large bases had their own water treatment facilities, which would have used chlorine. They used chlorine for more than just officers' swimming pools.

Even though we weren't supposed to have poison gas the US was still making chemical weapons up until 1969 "just in case". Chlorine was a component of some of these weapons, and maybe others I've never heard of.

Love the photo. I wonder what those rich people living up on the distant hills thought about the view in Taylor Yard's direction. Well, the railroad was there first.
 
Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 1:52 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Thanks for that roster Ed!

The attached photo may be one of those mysterious USA cars. From the Gerstley duplicates.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/21/2020 1:33 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

On Feb 19, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I have numerous photos of these cannister flat cars, and they are always loaded with
their cannisters. The precise style of cannisters does vary - perhaps related to the
commodity, or time period? They all have 15 cannisters in my photos.

Tim,
ACF wasn’t the only builder of cars of this type that were primarily used for chlorine containers. ACF records document the company built approximately 350 "Multi-Unit Tank Cars" from 1924 to 1958 comprised of 87 orders having lot numbers assigned. Roughly half of the cars were built before 1940 with the largest pre-1940 order being 16 cars.

Ten of these cars were built “for stock” for the U.S.A. Chief of Engineers. I don’t know the disposition of these lot 2370 cars built in July 1941. 

Six ACF builder photos of these cars are on the Barriger Flickr web site with 3/4-views & “B” end views of 3 of the earliest cars - lot 10, MALX 365; lot 188, VSX 204; lot 401, GWEX 4?? (angled view hides car number). 

List of ACF M-U tank cars by reporting marks to include the quantity of cars, number of orders, and range of build dates:
ACCX - 10 cars, 4 lots 1926-1935
ACF - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1941 (U.S.A. Chief of Engineers)
BAKX - 2 cars, 2 lots 1931-1932
BCX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1926-1931
CACX (or possibly PPGX) - 21 cars, 2 lots 1936-1937
CALX - 3 cars, 3 lots 1927-1934
CILX (Canada) - 2 cars, 2 lots 1932, 1945
DAX - 23 cars, 11 lots 1928-1946
DUPX - 15 cars, 3 lots 1926-1933
GCX - 26 cars, 1 lot, built 1948
GWEX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1927-1928
HOKX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1925-1926
MALX - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1925
MONX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1932-1936
PSMX - 32 cars, 12 lots 1924-1948
SHPX - 101 cars, 16 lots 1937-1948 (lessees - Westvaco, DuPont, Diamond Chemical, likely others)
SPX - 44 cars, 11 lots 1927-1948
TELX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930
TENX - 4 cars, 1 lot, built 1949 (for sulphur dioxide containers)
VSX - 15 cars, 5 lots 1924-1929
WCX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930? (unsure about this order)

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,

Wood pipe was commonly used through WWII. It is absolutely within the potential era of this photograph.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al

On Feb 21, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:


Redwood pipe was used in the early years of the 20th century but the ATSF photo appears to
be from at least the 1940's if not later.

Here is a 1908 photo - https://www.sewerhistory.org/images/bm/bmc2/1908_bmc202.jpg

The use of magnificent old growth redwood for sewer pipes just makes me ill to think about. :-(

(yes, I'm a tree hugger)



On 2/21/2020 9:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
They look like sections of redwood pipe to me. They were common in California back in the days before they switched to concrete pipe, for water transmission.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:35 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Here's an enlargement of 2 of the mystery load cars. Details aren't clear enough to tell what kind of loads these are, but there's 2 per car.
Andy Jackson

Santa Fe Springs CA







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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Tim O'Connor
 

Redwood pipe was used in the early years of the 20th century but the ATSF photo appears to
be from at least the 1940's if not later.

Here is a 1908 photo - https://www.sewerhistory.org/images/bm/bmc2/1908_bmc202.jpg

The use of magnificent old growth redwood for sewer pipes just makes me ill to think about. :-(

(yes, I'm a tree hugger)

On 2/21/2020 9:34 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:
They look like sections of redwood pipe to me. They were common in California back in the days before they switched to concrete pipe, for water transmission.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:35 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Here's an enlargement of 2 of the mystery load cars. Details aren't clear enough to tell what kind of loads these are, but there's 2 per car.
Andy Jackson

Santa Fe Springs CA






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Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Tim O'Connor
 


To me it appears that each car has 8 individual objects of perhaps 10 to 12 feet in length.

I don't think they are wine barrels, or pickle barrels, or vinegar tanks, or railroad ties.

Bruce's suggestion of wood pipe seems wrong for the era of the picture (although I do have
images of ATSF flats loaded with wood pipe decades earlier) but something WRAPPED in wood seems
quite possible.

It's an official ATSF photo so perhaps it was a very special shipment. I have some amazing
shots of weird (and probably uncommon) loads on flat cars.

Tim O'Connor





On 2/20/2020 3:08 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Bob,

Given the inability to enlarge the picture due to pixelation, I doubt that anyone will be able to answer that question. Some options that it might be:
- wood pipe
- wood tank (barrels seem unlikely as they usually had a taper at each end and this load does not appear to have that
- something wrapped in wood for protection, typically of bearing surfaces. I thought a large shaft, but the load would probably be too heavy for the cars it is loaded on.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

A photo from the Kansas Historical Society:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/51765

Click on the photo to enlarge it, then click on the "Enlarge" button to further enlarge it.

Caption: "Atchison, Topeka, & Santa Fe manifest train (a fast freight train hauling perishables or livestock) with caboose ATSF 1810 brining up the rear of the train. This photograph was taken in the high desert of California near the Mohave River near Victorville, California by R. C. Bradley for AT&SF."

Does anyone know what are the loads on the six flat cars ahead of the three tank cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Help with freight car list

Tim O'Connor
 


The 858-B's were popular photo subjects - I have at least 14 images on my hard drive,
from NYC to PC era.





On 2/20/2020 9:33 PM, Doug Chapman via Groups.Io wrote:
Elden,

NYC 43267 was a 50 ton, 40' box car, built by Despatch Shop in 1956, NYC Lot 858B. It was one of 1390 cars numbered 42000-43389. The drawing below comes from Terry Link's Canada Southern website.

Doug Chapman
Montclair, VA
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Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks for that roster Ed!

The attached photo may be one of those mysterious USA cars. From the Gerstley duplicates.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/21/2020 1:33 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
On Feb 19, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

I have numerous photos of these cannister flat cars, and they are always loaded with
their cannisters. The precise style of cannisters does vary - perhaps related to the
commodity, or time period? They all have 15 cannisters in my photos.

Tim,
ACF wasn’t the only builder of cars of this type that were primarily used for chlorine containers. ACF records document the company built approximately 350 "Multi-Unit Tank Cars" from 1924 to 1958 comprised of 87 orders having lot numbers assigned. Roughly half of the cars were built before 1940 with the largest pre-1940 order being 16 cars.

Ten of these cars were built “for stock” for the U.S.A. Chief of Engineers. I don’t know the disposition of these lot 2370 cars built in July 1941. 

Six ACF builder photos of these cars are on the Barriger Flickr web site with 3/4-views & “B” end views of 3 of the earliest cars - lot 10, MALX 365; lot 188, VSX 204; lot 401, GWEX 4?? (angled view hides car number). 

List of ACF M-U tank cars by reporting marks to include the quantity of cars, number of orders, and range of build dates:
ACCX - 10 cars, 4 lots 1926-1935
ACF - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1941 (U.S.A. Chief of Engineers)
BAKX - 2 cars, 2 lots 1931-1932
BCX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1926-1931
CACX (or possibly PPGX) - 21 cars, 2 lots 1936-1937
CALX - 3 cars, 3 lots 1927-1934
CILX (Canada) - 2 cars, 2 lots 1932, 1945
DAX - 23 cars, 11 lots 1928-1946
DUPX - 15 cars, 3 lots 1926-1933
GCX - 26 cars, 1 lot, built 1948
GWEX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1927-1928
HOKX - 8 cars, 2 lots 1925-1926
MALX - 10 cars, 1 lot, built 1925
MONX - 7 cars, 3 lots 1932-1936
PSMX - 32 cars, 12 lots 1924-1948
SHPX - 101 cars, 16 lots 1937-1948 (lessees - Westvaco, DuPont, Diamond Chemical, likely others)
SPX - 44 cars, 11 lots 1927-1948
TELX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930
TENX - 4 cars, 1 lot, built 1949 (for sulphur dioxide containers)
VSX - 15 cars, 5 lots 1924-1929
WCX - 1 car, 1 lot, built 1930? (unsure about this order)

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Allen Cain
 

Looks like it could be wooden tank cars that were used to transport Vinegar and other such acidic products.  Attached is a couple of photos of these cars.  THe Speas Co Vinegar car looks the most like what you have in your photo.

Allen Cain

Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

Tim O'Connor
 


Nice pictures!! I answered my own question about ACF building these. I forgot I had
photos of CC&F (Canadian Car & Foundry) and GATC (General American) cannister flats.
But most of them appear to be ACF cars.

Tim O'Connor




On 2/19/2020 6:36 PM, Allen Cain wrote:
Here are some pictures of the Chlorine canister cars along with one of the MTS model.  Note that in some you are seeing the top of the canister with the connection point and it some the domed bottom.

Allen Cain

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