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NP Mystery Car

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

This car appears to have been a LCL Transfer Car, but whats with all the small doors?

One suggestion is a sawdust car.

The notes with the photo say Tacoma Division, but one respondent says it looks like Spokane.

-Hudson


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

rwitt_2000
 

I see a lone B&O AAR triple hopper, just below the power plant chimney. Probably a single load to a coal yard of some type of specialized coal.

Bob Witt


Re: Looking for GN Monogram—Side Facing Goat: Great Northern Railway

Doug Paasch
 

As RJDial mentioned, the 1936 date for the side facing goat was not for freight cars.  The side goat was first used for freight cars in 1941 as he said.  The 1936 date was for locomotives' first use of the side goat.

Doug Paasch


On Feb 25, 2020 5:54 PM, "Brian Stokes" <bstokesndp@...> wrote:
The "historic collections" #1 and 2 do have dates. The side-facing "silhouette" style Goat herald started in 1936. I can't say for certain what size it was, but I could inquire for you over on the GNRHS io group if you want. I'm a GN steam-era modeller and I can't even keep track of the heralds. Usually I just work from photos. 


--
Brian Stokes
https://northpoint48.blogspot.com/


Re: Ice Reefer Conversions to Mechanical?

np328
 

   About 1970 ?  So well, well, way off the time frame of this list.                                                                 Jim Dick     


Re: Piedmont & Northern 1101 ready for Priming

Mike Settle
 

Have you guys heard of Archer Fine Transfers? He makes rivets in various sizes. He is very popular with the military modelers.

Mike Settle


Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Bob,

It’s only a guess but could it be rolls of steel? The flats appear to be heavy duty. Can anyone identify them?

Rich Yoder

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

 

Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

A photo from the Kansas Historical Society:

https://www.kansasmemory.org/item/51765

Click on the photo to enlarge it, then click on the "Enlarge" button to further enlarge it.

Caption: "Atchison, Topeka, & Santa Fe manifest train (a fast freight train hauling perishables or livestock) with caboose ATSF 1810 brining up the rear of the train. This photograph was taken in the high desert of California near the Mohave River near Victorville, California by R. C. Bradley for AT&SF."

Does anyone know what are the loads on the six flat cars ahead of the three tank cars?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] REA questions

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Dennis,

I know it’s not proper to answer a question with another question but does anyone know when REA purchased the cars from the Army?

Rich Yoder

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] REA questions

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:32 PM, naptownprr wrote:

So how were the cars lettered before 1953?

http://www.gregariousrailfan.com/images/REA_rail_car.jpg

Dennis


Re: What is the major difference between these cars ???

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Paul,
There are several differences. Door hardware, Door track both top and bottom. Ladder rungs on WAB - C&IE has a ladder. It appears that the WAB has a fish belly center sill. I doubt they were built by the same company.
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Doggett via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 10:57 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] What is the major difference between these cars ???

Hi what are the ends on the C&EI car and are the any other major differences between them.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: Looking for GN Monogram—Side Facing Goat: Great Northern Railway

Brian Stokes
 

The "historic collections" #1 and 2 do have dates. The side-facing "silhouette" style Goat herald started in 1936. I can't say for certain what size it was, but I could inquire for you over on the GNRHS io group if you want. I'm a GN steam-era modeller and I can't even keep track of the heralds. Usually I just work from photos. 


--
Brian Stokes
https://northpoint48.blogspot.com/


Re: Sunshine Kits web page

Ryan Laroche
 

https://web.archive.org/web/20160324162818/http://sunshinekits.com/index.html

The wayback machine is an excellent resource for situations such as this... 

Ryan Laroche 
Red Deer County, AB


Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Eric Hansmann
 

Here’s an idea to add wipers. 

And another technique. 

I used this last technique on a pair of P2K HO scale 0-8-0s I bought in the very first run. They are champs doing freight car switching work. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Feb 25, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

So, would a satisfactory solution be this?  A pair of metal Andrews sideframes, an engineering plastic bolster, and two split-axle wheelsets.  Somehow it would need, I guess, a wiring connection at the sideframe/bolster joint.  
Not sure about a suitable bolster, but I think the rest could come out of my parts bins.
Chuck Peck

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:40 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Schuyler-

If any turn up….I asked first and am going to use them to upgrade my Life-Like HO USRA 0-8-0 to switch freight cars as well, if truth be known!   Mine came without tender pickup and isn’t worth putting sound into.   Even though it kills me, I will likely strip its CB&Q lettering and try to detail it for an L&N C2 to operate here in Nashville.  I tried in person at Walthers “back in the day” and didn’t know about the availability of whole tenders at the time!

I’ve double checked and Bachmann and BLI do not use all wheel pickup on their locomotive tenders or noisy stock cars (I don’t think the chickens in the Bachmann poultry cars are going to make sounds since it appears the screening on their cages is just printed on a steel box car body).

I tried personally at Walthers “back in the day” and didn’t know about the availability of whole tenders at the time!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

Not to hijack this thread, but does anyone know where I could buy some replacement Andrews trucks for the Life-Like USRA switch engines?  I have twice now suffered a melted truck thanks to a short across a gap.  At one time extra tenders were available, and I fixed the first melted truck by replacing it with a truck from an extra tender, but I now have a sound-equipped DCC 0-8-0 that is useless.

 

Oh, and oops, I realize that on this list, I need to mention that I use my 0-8-0s to switch FREIGHT CARS!!

 

Whew!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

All-

Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.

I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.

Charlie Vlk

 

 


SOLD Re: for sale: large lot HO freight car details

C J Wyatt
 

That was quick. I appreciate people taking a look.

Jack Wyatt


for sale: large lot HO freight car details

C J Wyatt
 

Since I am intending to do my future modeling in another scale, I've gathered up my HO freight car details and trucks and put then on eBay in a fixed price format:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124097112250

If you are interested but feel that the price is too high, please follow as I will reduce the asking price whenever the mood strikes me until the lot is sold.

Thank you for your consideration.

Jack Wyatt


Re: Ice Reefer Conversions to Mechanical?

mopacfirst
 

I can't immediately come up with the photo, but around 1970 I saw one of those 40' ice bunker reefers converted to mechanical by cutting out a section about five or six feet wide from the A end of the car, and a section of the roof about three feet deep, to mount a Thermo King refrigeration unit.  As I recall, it was either Armour or Hormel.  This would have been on the Rock Island on the Herington-Ft. Worth line.

Ron Merrick


Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Charles Peck
 

So, would a satisfactory solution be this?  A pair of metal Andrews sideframes, an engineering plastic bolster, and two split-axle wheelsets.  Somehow it would need, I guess, a wiring connection at the sideframe/bolster joint.  
Not sure about a suitable bolster, but I think the rest could come out of my parts bins.
Chuck Peck

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 5:40 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

Schuyler-

If any turn up….I asked first and am going to use them to upgrade my Life-Like HO USRA 0-8-0 to switch freight cars as well, if truth be known!   Mine came without tender pickup and isn’t worth putting sound into.   Even though it kills me, I will likely strip its CB&Q lettering and try to detail it for an L&N C2 to operate here in Nashville.  I tried in person at Walthers “back in the day” and didn’t know about the availability of whole tenders at the time!

I’ve double checked and Bachmann and BLI do not use all wheel pickup on their locomotive tenders or noisy stock cars (I don’t think the chickens in the Bachmann poultry cars are going to make sounds since it appears the screening on their cages is just printed on a steel box car body).

I tried personally at Walthers “back in the day” and didn’t know about the availability of whole tenders at the time!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

Not to hijack this thread, but does anyone know where I could buy some replacement Andrews trucks for the Life-Like USRA switch engines?  I have twice now suffered a melted truck thanks to a short across a gap.  At one time extra tenders were available, and I fixed the first melted truck by replacing it with a truck from an extra tender, but I now have a sound-equipped DCC 0-8-0 that is useless.

 

Oh, and oops, I realize that on this list, I need to mention that I use my 0-8-0s to switch FREIGHT CARS!!

 

Whew!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

All-

Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.

I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.

Charlie Vlk

 

 


Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Charlie Vlk
 

Schuyler-

If any turn up….I asked first and am going to use them to upgrade my Life-Like HO USRA 0-8-0 to switch freight cars as well, if truth be known!   Mine came without tender pickup and isn’t worth putting sound into.   Even though it kills me, I will likely strip its CB&Q lettering and try to detail it for an L&N C2 to operate here in Nashville.  I tried in person at Walthers “back in the day” and didn’t know about the availability of whole tenders at the time!

I’ve double checked and Bachmann and BLI do not use all wheel pickup on their locomotive tenders or noisy stock cars (I don’t think the chickens in the Bachmann poultry cars are going to make sounds since it appears the screening on their cages is just printed on a steel box car body).

I tried personally at Walthers “back in the day” and didn’t know about the availability of whole tenders at the time!

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

Not to hijack this thread, but does anyone know where I could buy some replacement Andrews trucks for the Life-Like USRA switch engines?  I have twice now suffered a melted truck thanks to a short across a gap.  At one time extra tenders were available, and I fixed the first melted truck by replacing it with a truck from an extra tender, but I now have a sound-equipped DCC 0-8-0 that is useless.

 

Oh, and oops, I realize that on this list, I need to mention that I use my 0-8-0s to switch FREIGHT CARS!!

 

Whew!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

All-

Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.

I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.

Charlie Vlk

 

 


Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Todd Sullivan
 

The LifeLike P2K USRA 0-6-0 and the later production of the USRA 0-8-0 used the standard LL 33" wheelsets, which had smooth (shiny) wheels and plastic axles, with thin shim brass or phosphor bronze wires on both sides of the truck frame (i.e., all 4 wheels) as a means to collect current from both rails.  I converted an early production 0-8-0 to the same setup.  The amount of friction caused by the pickups rubbing against the backs of the wheels (all the wheels on the tender) was pretty small, since the trucks rolled very freely to begin with, and the wheel backs were very smooth.  Using Kadee wheels would probably increase the friction due to the material and finish, but that is conjecture on my part.  Central Valley wheelsets were insulated on one side and were not shiny smooth.  Beyond that, they were made of brass which would oxidize over time on both the backs and treads, which I think would tend to reduce effective electrical pickup on the wheels.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not to hijack this thread, but does anyone know where I could buy some replacement Andrews trucks for the Life-Like USRA switch engines?  I have twice now suffered a melted truck thanks to a short across a gap.  At one time extra tenders were available, and I fixed the first melted truck by replacing it with a truck from an extra tender, but I now have a sound-equipped DCC 0-8-0 that is useless.

 

Oh, and oops, I realize that on this list, I need to mention that I use my 0-8-0s to switch FREIGHT CARS!!

 

Whew!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

 

All-

Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.

I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.

Charlie Vlk

 

 


Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Richard Townsend
 

Central Valley is the only thing that occurs to me, but they don't have the pointed axle pick-ups.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 11:41 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Andrews truck with power pickups

All-
Does anyone know of a source for HO trucks that have power pickup on both sides similar to the ones that were provided on later production Life-Like Proto2000 steam locomotives.
I need a pair for an HO project that I am dabbling in and would prefer the N Scale type “low friction” pointed axle pickup rather than the back of the wheel or axle pickups that seem to be the accepted norm in HO.
Charlie Vlk
 
 


Re: Ice Reefer Conversions to Mechanical?

np328
 

   From reading in the files of my railroad I will add to what Tony has correctly stated and add - at the time mechanical refrigeration units became viable -
                                               market conditions on all sides of the rail shipment were also changing.

   Frozen and fast frozen was where the market was evolving and had been for some time. Frozen food had been around for some time. 
https://books.google.com/books?id=UigDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA26&dq=1930+plane+%22Popular&hl=en&ei=bfiPTs-NGInE0AHC_4k_&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=1930%20plane%20%22Popular&f=true

     However it had taken some time to catch on to where the volumes were significant. (1) This was because corner markets - not super markets were the most common. And these Ma & Pa stores did not have large areas to receive, store, and display frozen foods. Larger markets had to come into general being and that did not happen in a broad way until the mid to late 50's. Food distribution centers capable of holding these large volumes of frozen food were also being built as these super market chains made their presence known. 

    (2) Once the volume of these frozen foods became significant to the railroad industry, HI reefers (high insulation) were now what the industry wanted and the railroads (or reefer consortiums of the railroads) that could supply the highly insulated cars were the ones that got the shipment. Of the high insulation reefers, they were on the scene in the mid to late forties, however there was not a big enough market at that time to over shadow the global refrigerator car makeup on the whole, so the current wood fleet soldiered on. 

    By the time a dependable mechanical unit was developed in Bloomington, MN, m
y railroad did send some folks over to check it out. And they did look at the financial ROI * of converting/rebuilding older reefers and that was a no go almost immediately as much of the fleet was already old. In the financial make up of things, building new cars provided the best return on investment. And (3) the car builders had shifted to all steel car building for some time now. 

And as Tony listed, the cars were 40 footers, with six foot doors. By this time, 50 foot cars with doors and floors built to handle pallets and pallet unloaders were what the industry demanded. 

                 * I may have stated this before however it bears repeating often. Railroads were just a vehicle for their owners to make money.  We forget that far, far,  too often. 
 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Jim Dick   St. Paul, MN 
              

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