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Re: NP Mystery Car

Tony Thompson
 

Todd Sullivan wrote:

And the "hog" in hog fuel comes from the Norwegian word "hogge" meaning to chop or chip. 

The word (with ancestry in old Norse) indeed means to cut, usually in a destructive way (a common usage is to mean "castrate"). Lumber mills still call their chipping machines "hogs, and machinists continue to refer to making a smallish part out of large stock as "hogging."

Tony Thompson




Re: Sunshine Kits web page

 

Thanks to both of you!

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


The Sunshine Kits website has been renewed for another month.


I'm working with Jim to transfer the domain to Resin Car Works ownership. I'll share more details as this develops.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On February 25, 2020 at 5:20 AM Ryan Laroche <laroche1987@...> wrote:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160324162818/http://sunshinekits.com/index.html

The wayback machine is an excellent resource for situations such as this... 

Ryan Laroche 
Red Deer County, AB

 


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Randy Hammill
 

I certainly don't question the late date.

Those are definitely NH single sheathed box cars, I'm not sure any other road had a single sheathed box car with a Howe truss and that reverse diagonal in the end panels. They were rebuilt from double sheathed cars in the late '20s (although New Haven records list them as new), and they were in non-revenue service by this time, thus not listed in the ORER.

 


Based on NH documents, these are the single sheathed cars I can confirm still in work service through at least April 1962:

W-1209, 1211, and 1232 (assigned Cedar Hill)
W-1233, 1535, 1536 (assigned Boston)
W-1547 (assigned East Walpole, sold 6/14/60)

There might be a few others, but the majority of the cars appear to have been condemned in the 1956-9 period, after about a decade in work service. 

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Joseph
 

Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale?
Thx
Joe Binish
New Hope MN

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:
CMO 20040 Express Box

-Hudson


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

mel perry
 

NICE DETAILING
mel perry

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 9:18 AM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:
CMO 20040 Express Box

-Hudson


CMO 20040 Express Box

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

CMO 20040 Express Box

-Hudson


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Tim O'Connor
 

Peter,

Why do you think 1948 is relevant? The color photo of south Boston was taken in the late
1950's (a previous source I have says the date is August 1960).

The Rock Island box car was built in 1952, and it is weathered and has a lube stencil patch.
The B&O billboard letters were introduced in the early 1950's (after 1951, for sure). The MEC
box car green paint is from the 1950's and the Cotton Belt double door box car was rebuilt in
1954.

By 1959 the New Haven rostered ZERO wood sheathed box cars, according to the ORER.

Tim O'Connor






On 2/25/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Ness wrote:

Those are all in service cars my friends. Those are not the RIP tracks in South Boston Freight Terminal. Look over by the brick smokestack and sand tower to see two switchers – the S-1 is working and smoking, the HH660 probably idling. Now, since Boston was a terminal, there is no telling how long the foreign road cars lingered before returning home.

 

There are three NH box cars in the photo;

McGinnis scheme (black with large “NH”) behind the Superior reefer

Script herald (BCR, very faded lettering) coupled to the right of the Superior reefer

The storage car that is on the ground to the right of the script herald car and to the left of the RI box car.

Notice there is a phone pole directly behind the script herald boxcar described above.

 

The storage car is one of the NHs old boxes, possibly 70200 series (I have a photo of NH 70218) which were rebuilt in 1935 with steel underframes from earlier NH 170000-170999-series 30-ton box cars.

 

The 40’ steel boxcars arrived beginning 1942 but there were still over 120 wood box cars in service in Sept 1948.  Beginning post-war many of the wood cars were converted to non-revenue service, which is the fate of the car in this photo. A white “NH” is visible above the “W-series” work car number.  Some cars were grounded and used for storage which appears to be the fate of this car. The yellow visible on the side is a patch of paint only so a black lettered stencil could be applied. This could have been applied while the car was still on trucks or not.  Could have said anything from “sand service only” to “property of mechanical dept.”

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

Agreed it’s a patch, but I think it’s a painted patch, painting out something, like a “return to” notice.  It’s a bit too ragged to be a carpenter’s parch.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 


It looks like fresh unpainted wood i.e. "patches" to me, Schuyler. I do not recognize
the cars at all. They don't look like anything that I know of from the New Haven. I'm
curious if anyone can figure out what they are. But I agree the photo scan is so poor
that nothing can be inferred about the lettering.

Tim O'Connor



On 2/25/2020 12:32 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io wrote:

I don’t think those are “repairs.”  And at that distance and the age of the cars, dimensions and weight information may be there, faded, but not visible.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 11:48 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

couple of ss boxcars, apparently in inhouse service as all dims and weight

remarks all removed, and appears that

both had repairs to the same spot.on

both.cars, just to the left of the door,

can't remember that being a weak

structural spot in the ss design?

 

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 8:17 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

A Donald Haskel photo taken in August 1960:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/305071/

A good variety of cars and roads.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NP Mystery Car

Todd Sullivan
 

And the "hog" in hog fuel comes from the Norwegian word "hogge" meaning to chop or chip. 

Todd Sullivan


Re: NP Mystery Car

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

Going back to the era of this car I would presume the car to be a Hog Fuel car, hog fuel being the mill slabs and other mill detritus. Chips were to come around later. 

     True about the nomenclature, but not about the product. The great majority of hog fuel that you can see in photos was definitely chips.

Tony Thompson




Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Tony Thompson
 

Gordon Spalty wrote:

I thought having tank cars next to caboose was not allowed... so?

       True today,  not true in the period of this list (on most railroads).

Tony Thompson




Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

Bruce Smith
 

Gordon,

That would specify cargos, not cars ;)  For example, a tank car full of water (not unusual on the AT&SF) would pose no hazard.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Feb 26, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Doc Bond <boomer1944@...> wrote:

I thought having tank cars next to caboose was not allowed... so?

Gordon Spalty


Re: Andrews truck with power pickups

Robert Allan
 

Seems to me the Proto 2000 NE Caboose had Andrews trucks with electrical pick-up. Might be able to find a basket case at a show or on the auction site.

Bob Allan


NP Mystery Car

Andy Carlson
 

Going back to the era of this car I would presume the car to be a Hog Fuel car, hog fuel being the mill slabs and other mill detritus. Chips were to come around later. The Spokane Portland & Seattle RR had at east one car, pictured in the Morning sun book on SP&S equipment by Ed Austin.

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 7:39:09 AM PST, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:


Notice there is no door on the car, essentially making it an extremely tall gon. That says sawdust or wood chip car when sitting in the Pacific northwest.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Mystery Car

 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:27 AM, np328 wrote:

  From the spur that the photographer was on in the prior photo. A D&RGW gon is being unloaded at A E Powell. Note all the different coal sizes.The car to the left appears to have limestone(?) Over the large pile of coal I believe are the towers of the other two train stations.

Can't be limestone, waaay too big a car for any mineral product, must either be sawdust or slash. Was cut slash sold as firewood back in those years?

Dennis Storzek


Re: NP Mystery Car

Douglas Harding
 

Notice there is no door on the car, essentially making it an extremely tall gon. That says sawdust or wood chip car when sitting in the Pacific northwest.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 8:08 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Mystery Car

 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:27 AM, np328 wrote:

  From the spur that the photographer was on in the prior photo. A D&RGW gon is being unloaded at A E Powell. Note all the different coal sizes.The car to the left appears to have limestone(?) Over the large pile of coal I believe are the towers of the other two train stations.

Can't be limestone, waaay too big a car for any mineral product, must either be sawdust or slash. Was cut slash sold as firewood back in those years?

Dennis Storzek


Re: NP Mystery Car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dick and List Members,
 
Thanks Dick for the great photos.
 
The 1919 Car Builders Cyc page 271 shows what looks to be one of these cars (but without roof hatches), car shown is NP 101069. The cation sez "Long Wooden 40-Ton 4030 cu ft Capacity Box Car for Collecting L. C. L. Freight from Team Tracks"
 
You can see the 1919 Car Builders Cyc at this link https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000552394
 
This next link may possibly take you to the page in question https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006057858&view=1up&seq=291
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: np328
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Mystery Car

   I had always thought the cars LCL however had missed the roof hatches.   The location though is Spokane, looking west and just east of the NP Spokane station, and about to cross over the intersection of Division and Sprague. 

I'll attach some photos from my collections.
  Spokane looking west towards the former NP station, now the only passenger station and beyond the date of this list will be the Amtrak station.  Circa 1928 all photos. 

   From the spur that the photographer was on in the prior photo. A D&RGW gon is being unloaded at A E Powell. Note all the different coal sizes.The car to the left appears to have limestone(?) Over the large pile of coal I believe are the towers of the other two train stations.

At UP tower, (for Mike and Jeff) and that is the UP running from left to right. Note the UP style lower quadrant home signal guarding the NP main. On the lower left, the descending spur has a derail and dwarf signal. I'd always wondered where Lionel copied switch machine shrouds and were they accurate? Looks like they were. And the yard lead beyond the crossing, what kind of modeler would build a yard lead like that?    

East of the downtown area were the Spokane Union Stockyards. They are behind our right shoulder in the photo. The NP mainline is in the trench on the left. 

The NP's Parkwater engine terminal. Turntable is 85 foot. If you thought your modeling space was tight, look at all the frogs at the turntables edge. This was not uncommon for NP. 

The NP's largest (in terms of cars that could be serviced) icing station was at Parkwater. A 1300 foot platform serving 29 refrigerator cars on each side. 

Some Spokane from when switch lanterns were lite each evening.                                                              Jim Dick 


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

Interesting to note most roofs where painted and still had paint on them.

Gordon Spalty


Re: NP Mystery Car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:27 AM, np328 wrote:
  From the spur that the photographer was on in the prior photo. A D&RGW gon is being unloaded at A E Powell. Note all the different coal sizes.The car to the left appears to have limestone(?) Over the large pile of coal I believe are the towers of the other two train stations.
Can't be limestone, waaay too big a car for any mineral product, must either be sawdust or slash. Was cut slash sold as firewood back in those years?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Santa Fe Freight Near Victorville - Mystery Loads

 

I thought having tank cars next to caboose was not allowed... so?

Gordon Spalty


Re: Sunshine Kits web page

gtws00
 

Thanks to both Jim Hayes for creating the Sunshine Kits Website and Eric Hansmann for working with Jim to rescue and move it. 
George Toman
Willow Springs, IL


Re: Sunshine Kits web page

Eric Hansmann
 

The Sunshine Kits website has been renewed for another month.


I'm working with Jim to transfer the domain to Resin Car Works ownership. I'll share more details as this develops.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On February 25, 2020 at 5:20 AM Ryan Laroche <laroche1987@...> wrote:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160324162818/http://sunshinekits.com/index.html

The wayback machine is an excellent resource for situations such as this... 

Ryan Laroche 
Red Deer County, AB

 

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