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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
steve_wintner
Nice thing about those trucks is the styrene sideframe. Easily modified. (Delrin bearings, styrene sideframe)
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
Lloyd Keyser
The C&NW HS had a special run of these trucks made by Overland many years ago. Might check ebay . The brake system shown is a passenger UC brake system. Cal Scale AB300. Lloyd Keyser
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:21 PM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote: Da Trucks
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
killercarp
Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5 square corner ends to vex a builder. Tim VanMersbergen
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
Hudson Leighton
Da Trucks
-Hudson
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
Dennis Storzek
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Joseph wrote:
Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale?I can't tell what the top of the side frame looks like from the photo (too much shadow) but Tichy make a short wheelbase drop equalized truck that would fit: https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3060/Default.aspx Dennis Storzek
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NP Mystery Car
Andy Carlson
I am sure that Gregg Martin would have some useful thoughts about hog fuel. Chipping whole logs for paper mills came about strongly in the 1950s. Prior to that time, hog fuel was mostly from sawmill leftovers which could be be diverted from the slash burners (The teepee Hut fire places) leaving mostly saw dust for on site burning, as it seems buyers for waste wood fuel use did not place a high value for saw dust. Chipping became a big thing for the burgening North West paper mills with their huge demand for wood fiber which the mills found profits from chipping logs into fairly consistent sized chips. The demand for chips reached the point where whole logs were now chipped, no longer was mill waste with the problems of irregular size as valued. Tim's photos show the type of non-chip loads on early hog fuel cars. Lots of slash which would have otherwise been sent into the teepee burners. Chip cars and hog fuel cars were serving different markets. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 10:08:23 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
A couple of photos of hog fuel. There could be large pieces of wood - like firewood logs - but those were usually loaded into specialized cars or gondolas. I've included a shot of this too. On 2/26/2020 11:18 AM, Tony Thompson wrote: Andy Carlson wrote:
True about the nomenclature, but not about the
product. The great majority of hog fuel that you can see in
photos was definitely chips.
Tony Thompson
-- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Yankee Clipper Kit List
Bill Welch
Wondering if anyone has a complete list of the kits with stock numbers offered several years ago by "Yankee Clipper?" I understand these were done for Bill Dulmaine by Steve Funaro but still interested in knowing the kits included originally under the Yankee Clipper label. Thank you.
Bill Welch
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
Hudson Leighton
According to one source:
Originally equipped with Allied Full-Cushion trucks, and changed to the Commonwealth trucks seen in the photo sometime around the early '50s. -Hudson
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Re: NP Mystery Car
A couple of photos of hog fuel. There could be large pieces of wood - like firewood logs - but those were usually loaded into specialized cars or gondolas. I've included a shot of this too.
On 2/26/2020 11:18 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Seeking advice on Kadee 4000 boxcar use on Southeastern Road
Ed Hawkins
The Kadee 4000-series model represents 40’-6” PS-1 box cars with 6’ door openings built in 1950 thru 1952 & into early 1953 at the Michigan City, Indiana, plant. For your prescribed 1950-1955 timeframe the short answer to your question is that there were no PS-1s built with 6’ door openings built for southeastern railroads matching the Kadee 4000 body, unless it’s modified in various ways. Explaining further, southeastern railroads purchased their prototype PS-1 box cars built at the Bessemer, Alabama, plant during the period, which came with different end details that are best modeled with the Kadee 4300-series body. The difference is a matrix of 33 stud rivet bolts visible on the ends of cars built at the Bessemer plant in 1950 thru 1952. The stud rivet bolts were used to attach the interior wood lining to the ends, whereas PS-1s built at Michigan City used a different method not requiring the stud rivet bolts after 1949. Refer to the attached PDF that illustrates a typical end of Bessemer-built PS-1s from 1950 thru 1952. It’s a slide from my 2017 St. Louis RPM presentation on the 40’ PS-1 box car design chronology. Note the end stud rivet bolts with 5 above the uppermost thin corrugation (pressed protrusions), 4 each on the 1st & 3rd major corrugations of the top end sheet, and 4 each on all 5 major corrugations of the bottom end sheet. The Kadee 4000 bodies you have could be modified by adding the end rivet heads (i.e., Archer rivets) for various choices of southeastern railroads receiving PS-1s built at Bessemer with 6’ door openings in the 1950-1952 period. These orders include: 1. L&N 16800-17299, 17300-17799, 14600-14999, 17800-18399 in 1950-1951 2. BS 6700-6799 in early 1952 3. NC&StL 22000-22649 in early 1952 4. Georgia 39501-39550 in 3-52 5. Western Railway of Alabama 18100-18209 in 3-52 One additional order was RF&P 2801-2900, however, the RF&P isn’t a southeastern railroad. Refer to the Kadee web site for “out of production” models of these prototype cars in the 4300-series. Numerous other PS-1s were built for southeastern railroads during the 1950-1952 period, and later, but with 8’ or 9’ door openings. The only other PS-1s built with 6’ door openings for a southeastern railroad from 1953-1955 was a 4-car order, CG 6208-6211, built 12-54. During this period Bessemer PS-1s no longer used end rivets to fasten the interior wood lining. For cars of this order to be accurate using the Kadee 4000 body requires the bolster to side sill connections (i.e., “bolster tabs”) to be widened, repositioning the end placards from the high to low position per revised AAR guidelines, and removal of the rivets joining the top & bottom end sheets since these 4 prototype CG cars had welded end seams. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Randy Hammill
A few more NH single sheathed box cars still in work service through at least 4/62:
T-80, 83 (assigned Maybrook) T-81 (Oak Point) T-85 (Cedar Hill) T-89 (Providence) T-90, 91, 93 (Boston) Randy -- — Randy Hammill Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: NP Mystery Car
Tony Thompson
Todd Sullivan wrote: And the "hog" in hog fuel comes from the Norwegian word "hogge" meaning to chop or chip. The word (with ancestry in old Norse) indeed means to cut, usually in a destructive way (a common usage is to mean "castrate"). Lumber mills still call their chipping machines "hogs, and machinists continue to refer to making a smallish part out of large stock as "hogging." Tony Thompson
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Re: Sunshine Kits web page
Thanks to both of you!
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Thanks! Brian Ehni (Sent from my iPhone)
On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:35 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Randy Hammill
I certainly don't question the late date.
Those are definitely NH single sheathed box cars, I'm not sure any other road had a single sheathed box car with a Howe truss and that reverse diagonal in the end panels. They were rebuilt from double sheathed cars in the late '20s (although New Haven records list them as new), and they were in non-revenue service by this time, thus not listed in the ORER.
Based on NH documents, these are the single sheathed cars I can confirm still in work service through at least April 1962: W-1209, 1211, and 1232 (assigned Cedar Hill) W-1233, 1535, 1536 (assigned Boston) W-1547 (assigned East Walpole, sold 6/14/60) There might be a few others, but the majority of the cars appear to have been condemned in the 1956-9 period, after about a decade in work service. Randy -- — Randy Hammill Prototype Junction http://prototypejunction.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 http://newbritainstation.com
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
Joseph
Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale? Thx Joe Binish New Hope MN
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote: CMO 20040 Express Box
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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box
mel perry
NICE DETAILING mel perry
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 9:18 AM Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote: CMO 20040 Express Box
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CMO 20040 Express Box
Hudson Leighton
CMO 20040 Express Box
-Hudson
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Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal
Peter, Why do you think 1948 is relevant? The color photo of south Boston was taken in the late 1950's (a previous source I have says the date is August 1960). The Rock Island box car was built in 1952, and it is weathered and has a lube stencil patch. The B&O billboard letters were introduced in the early 1950's (after 1951, for sure). The MEC box car green paint is from the 1950's and the Cotton Belt double door box car was rebuilt in 1954. By 1959 the New Haven rostered ZERO wood sheathed box cars, according to the ORER. Tim O'Connor
On 2/25/2020 2:34 PM, Peter Ness wrote:
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Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: NP Mystery Car
Todd Sullivan
And the "hog" in hog fuel comes from the Norwegian word "hogge" meaning to chop or chip.
Todd Sullivan
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Re: NP Mystery Car
Tony Thompson
Andy Carlson wrote:
True about the nomenclature, but not about the product. The great majority of hog fuel that you can see in photos was definitely chips. Tony Thompson
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