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Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

 

WB looks too long as well. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



The TICHY is a little too old, and the ATHEARN (attached) a little too modern?

Tim O'Connor



On 2/26/2020 1:58 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Joseph wrote:
Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale?
I can't tell what the top of the side frame looks like from the photo (too much shadow) but Tichy make a short wheelbase drop equalized truck that would fit:

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3060/Default.aspx

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<model ATHEARN commonwealth 8ft express truck.jpg>


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 


Wrong mini-kit. The one you want is the DSS&A box car with 10-6 5/5 S corner ends. :-)

I suggest using the ends as masters for making copies. Sunshine also made 10-6 4/5
S corner ends for the SP A-50-12 kit. Those are in my "to be copied" pile as well.

Tim O'Connor



On 2/27/2020 1:07 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim, I mentioned to Tim yesterday, that the ends were "W" corner not square and posted a link to Steam Era Freight Cars for the PDF on the modified height cars

Rich Christie

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:35:27 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.




On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5
> square corner ends to vex a builder.
>
> Tim VanMersbergen


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Rich C
 

Tim, I mentioned to Tim yesterday, that the ends were "W" corner not square and posted a link to Steam Era Freight Cars for the PDF on the modified height cars

Rich Christie

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:35:27 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.




On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5
> square corner ends to vex a builder.
>
> Tim VanMersbergen
>
>


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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Tim O'Connor
 

On 2/26/2020 1:10 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Wondering if anyone has a complete list of the kits with stock numbers offered several years ago by "Yankee Clipper?" I understand these were done for Bill Dulmaine by Steve Funaro but still interested in knowing the kits included originally under the Yankee Clipper label. Thank you.

Bill Welch

Bill this is all I have --

1923D     B&M XM-1 steel w/ reverse Creco door
BMO       B&M XM-1 reverse Creco door
BM1       B&M XM-1 ribbed roof, Youngstown door
BM1A      B&M XM-1 flat roof, Youngstown door
BMSC      B&M XM-1 stockcar rebuilt 1945
MTC1      Mystic Terminal XM-1
WAG1      WAG boxcar ribbed roof
WAG1A     WAG boxcar flat roof
1000      BAR boxcar Hutchins end/wood door
1100      BAR boxcar flat end/wood door
3000      BAR boxcar Hutchins end/steel door
3100      BAR boxcar flat end/steel door
xxxx      PRR GSh gondola
xxxx      MEC GS gondola
xxxx      MEC GS gondola rebuilt w/ side extensions
xxxx      B&M GS gondola
1929      CP mini-box
1930.80   C&O 8000-9499 Creco door
1930.82   Pere Marquette 82000-83499
1930.85   C&O 8000-9499 Youngstown door
1930.95   C&O 9500-9999 double door
1932.00   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof NYC
1932.10   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof PRR #36986
1932.20   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof SOO
1932.21   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof SOO
1932.30   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof C&O owned 3 cars
1932.40   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MP
1932.50   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MEC
1932.60   1932 ARA steel box 5/4E rect roof BAR
1932.70   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof UP #182500
1932.80   1932 ARA steel box Dreadnaught ends rect roof CRR
1932.90   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof CofG
1932.100  1932 ARA steel box 4/4E viking roof Norfolk Southern
1932.110  1932 ARA steel box radial roof NKP
1932.120  1932 ARA steel box Buck ends viking roof ERIE
1932.310  1932 ARA steel box radial roof C&O
1932.410  1932 ARA steel box Murphy ends/panel door CGW


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: N&W Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


WABASH series 90000 to 90549 were welded box cars with 8 foot doors built by ACF in 1960.
The N&W lettered cars simply had a "3" prefix applied to the car number. And some cars were
never renumbered, evidently.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/27/2020 4:56 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

The attached photos are of an N&W MoW boxcar I photographed in the 1990s at Elkton, Virginia. As the detail photo shows, this car was "built" in 1960, so it fits within our period of interest. I have no data on these cars (my ORER is October 1958), and would appreciate any information the group can supply. 

The car appears to have a 7' door, certainly welded sides, and what appears to be a "banana-taper" late improved Dreadnaught end. It does not appear in Ed Hawkins' article on similar AC&F cars in the July 1999 RMJ. It am wondering if it was home-built or even a major rebuild, as the N&W had just done to their round roof boxcars.

I was initially attracted to the car by the Henesy "Side-well" device (which is not within our period), as at the time I was writing an article on these accessories. Mr. Henesy and I had a telephone conversation about his invention. He mentioned that the N&W applied these to some of their MoW boxcars because staff cuts meant that some MoW staging locations only had a single employee, so if the door stuck he could have hard a hard time opening the door. This Slide-well is actually broken. The wheel and gear box should be attached to the right edge of the door. Mr. Henesy said that roughg use (slamming the unit against its right-side stop) often resulted in stripped gears, which may be the case here. Later units had clutch of some sort in the gearbox that prevented this damage. As an aside, I sold the article to MR, but they never published same.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NP Mystery Car

boro2ang
 

The use of hog fuel in the earlier era was generally for fuel in the boilers of sawmills. 
Later, some was burned in Tee Pee burners along with shavings and sawdust, though shavings became useful for animal bedding.
Hog fuel was typically bark and sapwood fiber that was collected during the process of debarking logs as they entered the mills or further collected at the edger.
Most wood chips at a mill are from the pieces of the ends of the logs that are collected as they are bucked to length after debarking.
Today, most hog fuel is further refined for what we now know as beauty bark.

Bryan Borovec


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.

On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:

Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5 square corner ends to vex a builder.

Tim VanMersbergen

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 


The TICHY is a little too old, and the ATHEARN (attached) a little too modern?

Tim O'Connor



On 2/26/2020 1:58 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Joseph wrote:
Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale?
I can't tell what the top of the side frame looks like from the photo (too much shadow) but Tichy make a short wheelbase drop equalized truck that would fit:

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3060/Default.aspx

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Dennis Storzek
 

Clark,
We do. They will come out as I get time to work on them, and those are really filler jobs between large projects.
Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Ken Adams
 

Dennis 

Thank you very much for the information on the mold history for what sounds like a series of Milwaukee rib sided cars from Accurail.  I have absolutely no complaint about the molded on grabs and short cuts in the brake gear underframe for the price of the car.  Again, personally I am not planning to be any sort of expert on these cars so not delving too deep.  I am however hoping our super detail experts on this and other resin/plastic model building group forums to come up with reasonable methods to enhance these wonderful cars and turn them into model works of art. 

If I ever get my Port Costa layout built to the point the mainline is working these cars will be "background" freight cars passing through as loads or returning empty on the SP mainline between the Bay Area and points east. 


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, Folks...
Attached is a spreadsheet in which the 25,000 New Haven wood-sheathed, steel underframe cars built 1902-1912 are documented. They were all retired from service by 10-1950. There is a lot here to keep your eyeballs busy and which also corrects some misconceptions about renumbering and construction (like the history of the SS cars). The spreadsheet was constructed in service to my work on a database of all the box cars built 1-1910 through 12-1944. 

Eric, 
Homewood, IL

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:35 AM Randy Hammill <nhrr@...> wrote:
I certainly don't question the late date.

Those are definitely NH single sheathed box cars, I'm not sure any other road had a single sheathed box car with a Howe truss and that reverse diagonal in the end panels. They were rebuilt from double sheathed cars in the late '20s (although New Haven records list them as new), and they were in non-revenue service by this time, thus not listed in the ORER.

 


Based on NH documents, these are the single sheathed cars I can confirm still in work service through at least April 1962:

W-1209, 1211, and 1232 (assigned Cedar Hill)
W-1233, 1535, 1536 (assigned Boston)
W-1547 (assigned East Walpole, sold 6/14/60)

There might be a few others, but the majority of the cars appear to have been condemned in the 1956-9 period, after about a decade in work service. 

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Clark Propst
 

I have to ask Dennis, do you have tooling for the other models. Short ribbed 40' and 50' cars?

Thanks for bring these back out!
CW Propst


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

To Bob Witt, Thanks so much for posting Chris Barkan's sheet on B&O hopper lettering diagrams
and thanks to Chris fr developing it. For whatever reason in northern Vermont we seemed to see
more B&O hoppers in the post war era than hoppers from any other road, On the way back from 
Montreal late yesterday afternoon I had an opportunity to visit with fellow list member Armand Premo
before continuing homeward and these very cars were one subject of discussion. We know, for
example, that most of the coal burned by the Central Vermont arrived in B&O hoppers. Wjile we do
not know where it originated we think it must have come across NY Harbor on car floats to the New
Haven at Oak Point for delivery to the CV at New London but are not certain of that. Likewise B&O
hoppers were quite common on the Rutland as we know from switch list that Armand has had for
most of the fifty years we have known each other. Thus it is good to have something as definitive '
as the sheet Chris has put together and shared with us all to be sure such cars are lettered 
appropriately for our time frame.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Benjamin Hom
 

Robert Kirkham wrote:
"Well, I don’t have a list, but I do have kits: the CPR mini-box and the CPR big Otis gon."

The CPR "Big Otis" gon was originally a Rensselaer Railroad Shop kit.


Ben Hom


N&W Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

The attached photos are of an N&W MoW boxcar I photographed in the 1990s at Elkton, Virginia. As the detail photo shows, this car was "built" in 1960, so it fits within our period of interest. I have no data on these cars (my ORER is October 1958), and would appreciate any information the group can supply. 

The car appears to have a 7' door, certainly welded sides, and what appears to be a "banana-taper" late improved Dreadnaught end. It does not appear in Ed Hawkins' article on similar AC&F cars in the July 1999 RMJ. It am wondering if it was home-built or even a major rebuild, as the N&W had just done to their round roof boxcars.

I was initially attracted to the car by the Henesy "Side-well" device (which is not within our period), as at the time I was writing an article on these accessories. Mr. Henesy and I had a telephone conversation about his invention. He mentioned that the N&W applied these to some of their MoW boxcars because staff cuts meant that some MoW staging locations only had a single employee, so if the door stuck he could have hard a hard time opening the door. This Slide-well is actually broken. The wheel and gear box should be attached to the right edge of the door. Mr. Henesy said that roughg use (slamming the unit against its right-side stop) often resulted in stripped gears, which may be the case here. Later units had clutch of some sort in the gearbox that prevented this damage. As an aside, I sold the article to MR, but they never published same.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Robert kirkham
 

Well, I don’t have a list, but I do have kits: the CPR mini-box and the CPR big Otis gon.

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

Wondering if anyone has a complete list of the kits with stock numbers offered several years ago by "Yankee Clipper?" I understand these were done for Bill Dulmaine by Steve Funaro but still interested in knowing the kits included originally under the Yankee Clipper label. Thank you.

Bill Welch


Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 02:10 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
The doors are accurate. The "Rib Side" kits seem mixed regarding the grabs. I have only built the 40-ft DD and removed the mold-on grabs easily. I have the 50-ft w/6-ft door to build and the grabs are not molded-on. The brakes wheels are beautiful and correct I think. I replaced the molded on Sill Steps and scratch built new ladders for the DD version. The representation of the side ribs, the unique MILW roof and dreadnaught ends are well done. With some love these can be built into very nice models. 
Having inspected all the tooling, I find that only the first two releases, the 40' "long rib" single and double door cars, had molded on grabs. George then switched to supplying wire grabs, which, of course, the modeler had to paint himself.

The Rib Side Cars line was certainly a labor of love for George Schmidt, he had excellent tooling built, unfortunately, I doubt he ever got his money back with it. It has some interesting quirks, almost like as bills were piling up he'd just throw up his hands and authorize some shortcut just to get the project done. Case in point; the detail work on the car sides is impressive, but the grab irons were totally devoid of any attachment detail. I added a representation of the Milwaukee's unique Z section attachment brackets when I did minor repairs to the single door car, and will do the same to the double door car before we release it. Likewise, there was no handbrake rod or bell crank, which I added to the parts group, and the brake wheel as tooled was impossible to mold, in fact, they had the gate welded shut, and were apparently supplying an after market part. I added a new Equipco brake wheel cavity, based on information supplied by the Milwaukee Road Historical society and our own Gene Green.

Hopefully I'll get time to work over the 40' double door car this summer, in time for release at Milwaukee Trainfest next November.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

rwitt_2000
 

I wanted to include Chris Barkan's stencil diagrams for hopper cars.

Bob Witt


FS- HO Freight Cars

Scott H. Haycock
 

I have a list of freight car models, Kit and RTR for sale. These models are from the era covered by this list, with a very few models a few years newer.

As I'm downsizing my ambitions due to age, I really need to sell these models. Any realistic offers will be considered.

Contact me at  OFF LIST at: shhaycockATcomcastDOTnet for a copy of this list.

Thanks,

Scott Haycock   


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

rwitt_2000
 

Tim and Group,

To make the stenciling more specific, the B&O hopper in the photo has the Billboard "B&O" with a small ampersand which places it in the mid-1950s introduced in 1956 lasting to 1957. The next iteration eliminated the lines above and below the reporting marks and the initials and numbers were 9" high. This one was in effect from 1957 to 1962 when the C&O took control.

Bob Witt

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