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SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Wondering if anyone here would know when the SP&S introduced their scheme with the very large SP&S reporting marks. Thank you.

Bill Welch


Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Tim O'Connor
 

Here are a couple of clear views of these unusual NP grabiron mounts.

I also include a shot of a commonly seen end grab with two different brackets.

On 2/27/2020 2:01 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Because the left-opening door would contact (smush) the grabs if they were mounted completely on the car side.

Todd Sullivan
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 


I got confused because I didn't know Athearn had TWO of these trucks!!

THIS (attached) is the express truck with the correct wheelbase - but it is a
more modern truck, without the pedestal ends and with roller bearings rather than
plain bearing journal boxes.

I have this Athearn truck because the SP applied them to BE-50-24 express cars,
albeit with shock absorbers and plain bearings. Modifications must be made. :-\

Tim


On 2/27/2020 2:13 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:32 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
WB looks too long as well. 
Yeah, the boxcar underframe isn't modified, so still has the 5'-6" kingpin to striker dimension. When you look at the car, the wheel has more or less the same relationship to the car end as the old PRR X29s with their 5'-0" kingpin to striker, which would indicate the passenger truck wheelbase can't be longer than 6'-6". The Tichy trucks claim 6'-0", which may be a bit short. I wonder if these cars had 36" wheels?

In the photo the trucks appear to have separate bolt on pedestals, so the Tichy truck is correct for that feature, but even in the enhanced photo I can't really see the shape of the top of the frame.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Eric Hansmann
 

Here’s the Tahoe website for reference.

http://resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:50 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

 

For those who may haved missed it, Brian Leppert's Tahoe Model Works has a Barber S2 ride control 50-ton truck which is as close to perfect for the Milwaukee rib sided class of boxcars that will ever exist. He even tooled the truck for the uncommon for the period, but correct for the MILW, the truck spring planks. Substituting Tahoe's trucks for the kit's trucks would be my 1st improvement.

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

 

 


Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Andy Carlson
 

For those who may haved missed it, Brian Leppert's Tahoe Model Works has a Barber S2 ride control 50-ton truck which is as close to perfect for the Milwaukee rib sided class of boxcars that will ever exist. He even tooled the truck for the uncommon for the period, but correct for the MILW, the truck spring planks. Substituting Tahoe's trucks for the kit's trucks would be my 1st improvement.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



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Re: Accurail Ribbed Sided Box Car

Clark Propst
 

Glad to hear the rumors of the tooling's demise was exaggerated  ;   ))
CW Propst


Re: N&W Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

Ah!, Wabash. Thank you very much. So it is a true AC&F. 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:45 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

WABASH series 90000 to 90549 were welded box cars with 8 foot doors built by ACF in 1960.
The N&W lettered cars simply had a "3" prefix applied to the car number. And some cars were
never renumbered, evidently.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/27/2020 4:56 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Friends,

The attached photos are of an N&W MoW boxcar I photographed in the 1990s at Elkton, Virginia. As the detail photo shows, this car was "built" in 1960, so it fits within our period of interest. I have no data on these cars (my ORER is October 1958), and would appreciate any information the group can supply. 

The car appears to have a 7' door, certainly welded sides, and what appears to be a "banana-taper" late improved Dreadnaught end. It does not appear in Ed Hawkins' article on similar AC&F cars in the July 1999 RMJ. It am wondering if it was home-built or even a major rebuild, as the N&W had just done to their round roof boxcars.

I was initially attracted to the car by the Henesy "Side-well" device (which is not within our period), as at the time I was writing an article on these accessories. Mr. Henesy and I had a telephone conversation about his invention. He mentioned that the N&W applied these to some of their MoW boxcars because staff cuts meant that some MoW staging locations only had a single employee, so if the door stuck he could have hard a hard time opening the door. This Slide-well is actually broken. The wheel and gear box should be attached to the right edge of the door. Mr. Henesy said that roughg use (slamming the unit against its right-side stop) often resulted in stripped gears, which may be the case here. Later units had clutch of some sort in the gearbox that prevented this damage. As an aside, I sold the article to MR, but they never published same.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Attachments:


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:32 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
WB looks too long as well. 
Yeah, the boxcar underframe isn't modified, so still has the 5'-6" kingpin to striker dimension. When you look at the car, the wheel has more or less the same relationship to the car end as the old PRR X29s with their 5'-0" kingpin to striker, which would indicate the passenger truck wheelbase can't be longer than 6'-6". The Tichy trucks claim 6'-0", which may be a bit short. I wonder if these cars had 36" wheels?

In the photo the trucks appear to have separate bolt on pedestals, so the Tichy truck is correct for that feature, but even in the enhanced photo I can't really see the shape of the top of the frame.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:46 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

There must be a good reason for this...so what is the reason?

Bob Chaparro

That big plug door has to go somewhere when it's open. Just below the right end of the lower grab you'll find the door stop.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

mel perry
 

step looks shorter and closer to the end
of the side sill, thus putiing the hand grap
in a differen position than normal, why
the different position of the step?
mel perry

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 10:46 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Grab Irons Extensions

This boxcar appears to have extension mounts for the grab irons:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849334/in/album-72157632195829152/

And a few more:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252776823/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252777001/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849866/in/album-72157632195829152/

There must be a good reason for this...so what is the reason?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Todd Sullivan
 

Because the left-opening door would contact (smush) the grabs if they were mounted completely on the car side.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

mel perry
 

same series of cars
mel perry


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 10:46 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Grab Irons Extensions

This boxcar appears to have extension mounts for the grab irons:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849334/in/album-72157632195829152/

And a few more:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252776823/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8252777001/in/album-72157632195829152/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28555987@N06/8253849866/in/album-72157632195829152/

There must be a good reason for this...so what is the reason?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Grab Irons Extensions

Bob Chaparro
 


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

 

WB looks too long as well. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



The TICHY is a little too old, and the ATHEARN (attached) a little too modern?

Tim O'Connor



On 2/26/2020 1:58 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Joseph wrote:
Any thoughts on the trucks under this guy in HO scale?
I can't tell what the top of the side frame looks like from the photo (too much shadow) but Tichy make a short wheelbase drop equalized truck that would fit:

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/p/3060/Default.aspx

Dennis Storzek

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
<model ATHEARN commonwealth 8ft express truck.jpg>


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Tim O'Connor
 


Wrong mini-kit. The one you want is the DSS&A box car with 10-6 5/5 S corner ends. :-)

I suggest using the ends as masters for making copies. Sunshine also made 10-6 4/5
S corner ends for the SP A-50-12 kit. Those are in my "to be copied" pile as well.

Tim O'Connor



On 2/27/2020 1:07 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io wrote:
Tim, I mentioned to Tim yesterday, that the ends were "W" corner not square and posted a link to Steam Era Freight Cars for the PDF on the modified height cars

Rich Christie

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:35:27 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.




On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5
> square corner ends to vex a builder.
>
> Tim VanMersbergen


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Rich C
 

Tim, I mentioned to Tim yesterday, that the ends were "W" corner not square and posted a link to Steam Era Freight Cars for the PDF on the modified height cars

Rich Christie

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 11:35:27 AM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Tim - solution is the SUNSHINE mini-kit which included those ends.




On 2/26/2020 2:38 PM, killercarp via Groups.Io wrote:
>
> Once you solve the truck problem there’s also the 10’6” high 5/5
> square corner ends to vex a builder.
>
> Tim VanMersbergen
>
>


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Tim O'Connor
 

On 2/26/2020 1:10 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
Wondering if anyone has a complete list of the kits with stock numbers offered several years ago by "Yankee Clipper?" I understand these were done for Bill Dulmaine by Steve Funaro but still interested in knowing the kits included originally under the Yankee Clipper label. Thank you.

Bill Welch

Bill this is all I have --

1923D     B&M XM-1 steel w/ reverse Creco door
BMO       B&M XM-1 reverse Creco door
BM1       B&M XM-1 ribbed roof, Youngstown door
BM1A      B&M XM-1 flat roof, Youngstown door
BMSC      B&M XM-1 stockcar rebuilt 1945
MTC1      Mystic Terminal XM-1
WAG1      WAG boxcar ribbed roof
WAG1A     WAG boxcar flat roof
1000      BAR boxcar Hutchins end/wood door
1100      BAR boxcar flat end/wood door
3000      BAR boxcar Hutchins end/steel door
3100      BAR boxcar flat end/steel door
xxxx      PRR GSh gondola
xxxx      MEC GS gondola
xxxx      MEC GS gondola rebuilt w/ side extensions
xxxx      B&M GS gondola
1929      CP mini-box
1930.80   C&O 8000-9499 Creco door
1930.82   Pere Marquette 82000-83499
1930.85   C&O 8000-9499 Youngstown door
1930.95   C&O 9500-9999 double door
1932.00   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof NYC
1932.10   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof PRR #36986
1932.20   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof SOO
1932.21   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof SOO
1932.30   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof C&O owned 3 cars
1932.40   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MP
1932.50   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MEC
1932.60   1932 ARA steel box 5/4E rect roof BAR
1932.70   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof UP #182500
1932.80   1932 ARA steel box Dreadnaught ends rect roof CRR
1932.90   1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof CofG
1932.100  1932 ARA steel box 4/4E viking roof Norfolk Southern
1932.110  1932 ARA steel box radial roof NKP
1932.120  1932 ARA steel box Buck ends viking roof ERIE
1932.310  1932 ARA steel box radial roof C&O
1932.410  1932 ARA steel box Murphy ends/panel door CGW


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: N&W Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


WABASH series 90000 to 90549 were welded box cars with 8 foot doors built by ACF in 1960.
The N&W lettered cars simply had a "3" prefix applied to the car number. And some cars were
never renumbered, evidently.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/27/2020 4:56 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

The attached photos are of an N&W MoW boxcar I photographed in the 1990s at Elkton, Virginia. As the detail photo shows, this car was "built" in 1960, so it fits within our period of interest. I have no data on these cars (my ORER is October 1958), and would appreciate any information the group can supply. 

The car appears to have a 7' door, certainly welded sides, and what appears to be a "banana-taper" late improved Dreadnaught end. It does not appear in Ed Hawkins' article on similar AC&F cars in the July 1999 RMJ. It am wondering if it was home-built or even a major rebuild, as the N&W had just done to their round roof boxcars.

I was initially attracted to the car by the Henesy "Side-well" device (which is not within our period), as at the time I was writing an article on these accessories. Mr. Henesy and I had a telephone conversation about his invention. He mentioned that the N&W applied these to some of their MoW boxcars because staff cuts meant that some MoW staging locations only had a single employee, so if the door stuck he could have hard a hard time opening the door. This Slide-well is actually broken. The wheel and gear box should be attached to the right edge of the door. Mr. Henesy said that roughg use (slamming the unit against its right-side stop) often resulted in stripped gears, which may be the case here. Later units had clutch of some sort in the gearbox that prevented this damage. As an aside, I sold the article to MR, but they never published same.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NP Mystery Car

boro2ang
 

The use of hog fuel in the earlier era was generally for fuel in the boilers of sawmills. 
Later, some was burned in Tee Pee burners along with shavings and sawdust, though shavings became useful for animal bedding.
Hog fuel was typically bark and sapwood fiber that was collected during the process of debarking logs as they entered the mills or further collected at the edger.
Most wood chips at a mill are from the pieces of the ends of the logs that are collected as they are bucked to length after debarking.
Today, most hog fuel is further refined for what we now know as beauty bark.

Bryan Borovec

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