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Re: NP Mystery Car

Matt Smith
 

Well considering spray cans were not invented until the transition era, that is the reason for lack of graffiti on steam era freight cars, not because your generation was smarter or had more respect. Let’s keep the generational ranting out of an otherwise enjoyable hobby.
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Tim O'Connor
 


Actually, the year was 1958 (if not earlier) - but which style was FIRST? The step-slant or the straight?



On 2/27/2020 8:54 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
1960, pretty much way to late for many.
-Andy

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 5:06:51 PM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Wondering if anyone here would know when the SP&S introduced their scheme with the very large SP&S reporting marks. Thank you.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: West Shore Line Kits (was: Yankee Clipper Kit List)

Drew M.
 

In my collection of WSL kits I have a D&H 50' double door boxcar and PRR Single and double door 40' boxcars. One of the PRR 40' single door kits includes hatches for flour loading.

Drew Marshall
Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Feb 28, 2020, at 13:25, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Elden this is all I have for West Shore kits -

9001    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9002    NYC 1946 Despatch shops 70t 2bay covered hopper
9104    NYC/MC 1936 rebuilt USRA gondola
9202    EL Dunmore shops 70t 4bay covered hopper
9251    N&W round roof 40' SD boxcar
9287    LV wrong way boxcar Zenith roof corr door plate ends
9288    LV wrong way boxcar Viking roof corr door plate ends
9325    CNJ/CRP GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9326    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola (revised?)
9501A   B&O N-34 covered hopper

It was the fallout over the 1932 ARA box cars that caused Martin to drop Funaro
as a caster (and master builder) - Frank Hodina's first models for Martin then began
to appear, and they were of a higher order of quality. Martin's own early castings (I
think the Mather stock cars may have been the first) were not gray urethane castings.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2020 10:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Tim O'Connor
 


Elden this is all I have for West Shore kits -

9001    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9002    NYC 1946 Despatch shops 70t 2bay covered hopper
9104    NYC/MC 1936 rebuilt USRA gondola
9202    EL Dunmore shops 70t 4bay covered hopper
9251    N&W round roof 40' SD boxcar
9287    LV wrong way boxcar Zenith roof corr door plate ends
9288    LV wrong way boxcar Viking roof corr door plate ends
9325    CNJ/CRP GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9326    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola (revised?)
9501A   B&O N-34 covered hopper

It was the fallout over the 1932 ARA box cars that caused Martin to drop Funaro
as a caster (and master builder) - Frank Hodina's first models for Martin then began
to appear, and they were of a higher order of quality. Martin's own early castings (I
think the Mather stock cars may have been the first) were not gray urethane castings.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2020 10:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

Tim O'Connor
 


The West Shore kits were (are) qualitatively better than Yankee Clipper, even if
the castings themselves were the same "alumilite" yellow resin. There was also an
outfit - "Steam Shack"? - that did some CV & GTW single sheathed box cars, and I
think also did some Rutland cars.

I also built the F&C PRR GSh gondola. I remember counting the number of holes I had
to drill for grabs etc - I think it came to 75 or so! That was before I owned my
Brazelton drill press and I broke many #80 drill bits before I had finished. I also
learned about straightening out a WARPED and TWISTED car body from that GSh project. :-)


On 2/28/2020 10:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: circa 1912 Garrett Wine Co Box Car

Jacob Wyatt
 

Thank you, Dave!

Yes indeed I feel like I'm stuck guessing without a much clearer photo. And the ORERs I've seen that include this car simply list it as one of (I think) 25 tank cars and doesn't even provide dimensional data.

Thank you for the recommendations! I do have the lot number (#6589), so I'll track down Nick Fry and see if he can help.

Thanks again!

PS: I also got an email from Richard Townsend with a link to an antique Virginia Dare tray - thanks a lot, Richard!


Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Don DeLay
 

It seems that the late 1950's was a time of change for many railroads in their paint and lettering schemes. 


Re: circa 1912 Garrett Wine Co Box Car

Dave Parker
 

Jacob, my suggestion would be first to identify the ACF lot number (do you have the Westerfiled lot list?).  Then contact Nick Fry at UMSL and see if he can find and scan the original negative with full resolution.  With this image, there is too much guesswork involved for the smaller lettering.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


circa 1912 Garrett Wine Co Box Car

Jacob Wyatt
 

Hi everybody!

My name is Jacob, a production graphic artist at Micro-Trains.


I’m working on an upcoming release for our Grape-to-Glass wine cars series - picture shown below. Quite a unique car as far as I can tell from my two years of working here so far. A boxcar with glass tanks for wine!

 

The photo, from the Al Westerfield collection, can be found on page 328 of Edward Kaminski’s American Car & Foundry Company 1899-1999.

 

As you can imagine, finding other images, or even further description, of this is very difficult – and going only off of this photo we’re hard pressed to discover what most of its smaller prints are.

 

So I reached out to George Irwin who then encouraged me to join the group here and ask if someone may be able to provide some insight into this or even a larger image?

We'd love to reproduce this as accurately as possible so any insight would be most appreciated.

 

Thanks most kindly!

 

Jacob



Re: chlorine cannister flats (was Virginia Chemical Tank Cars)

dave w
 

Chlorine or otherwise, several posts state they have 'attached' pics- yet I see none?
I'm interested because similar 'chemical' flats rolled across D&RGW zones and some great contributing pics appeared on that group.
Thanks
davew


The New York Central in 1928-1929

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Some may enjoy this video - the title sez it all: "The New York Central in 1928-1929"
 
At times the camera is on the roof of a freight car, giving us good view of - you guessed it - freight car roofs.
 
These is a short but nice segment showing one of what was then probably brand new NYC container service in New York City street trackage.
 
Plenty of freight cars to go around!
 
 
Note that despite the date, this is the real sound from the scene being photographed, not just something the movie makers tacked on.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


Re: Milwaukee Road Rib Side Boxcar 20426

Bill Welch
 

Nicely done Lester.

Anyone: Out of curiosity I looked at the most current "5th Avenue" order form I could find online and they do not list the "Rib Side Car" kits. Have their kits only been available from the "5th" at various RPM's? I realize these are starting to come back via Accurail but thought they might have other kits from the old Rib Side offerings.

Bill Welch


Milwaukee Road Rib Side Boxcar 20426

Lester Breuer
 

I have completed the build of Milwaukee rib side boxcar 20426.  If you are interested in the build of this car including adding many details not in the kit, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

leakinmywaders
 

Modelers should be advised, not all the NP 40 ft combination door boxcars with this car side arrangement had the PS-1 ends that appear in Tim's photos of NP 3309.  NP 3000-3399 were Pullman-Standard built in 1959-60 with the PS-1 ends.  Among numerous cars with virtually identical sides built by NP Brainerd shops in 1958 through 1960 in range 8000-9249 or so, most had what I believe are commonly referred to as R+3/4 improved dreadnaught ends. But not all. I don't have it in hand just now, but I recall there was a thread at the NPModelers group several years ago where some of us tried to sort out what the approximate break point in the number series when Brainerd made the end change.

Those offset grabs are yet another small annoyance for us NP people trying to do more than one or two of these cars!  ;-) 

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT. 


Re: NP Mystery Car

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   It's not the Boring unit trains that trouble me as much as it is the damned graffiti all over everything.
People grie to me all the time about the younger generation not having any respect for anything anymore.
Of course they don't, the younger generation isn't smart enough to even have any respect for itself.

Just the way it is, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Randy Hammill
 

Fantastic info. Thanks. 


To clarify, they were all out of interchange service by that date. More than 100 (maybe 200+, I haven’t really compiled the info as it’s past me era of interest) were still in non-revenue service, although it appears the bulk of those were sold/scrapped c1956.

 Randy
--

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tim,

Wow! Just plain "clear" doesn't begin to describe those photos, and with both sides, both ends and the roof as well.

The cars are well beyond my era, but thanks anyway for sharing those gems.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Grab Irons Extensions


Here are a couple of clear views of these unusual NP grabiron mounts.

I also include a shot of a commonly seen end grab with two different
brackets.



On 2/27/2020 2:01 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Because the left-opening door would contact (smush) the grabs if they
were mounted completely on the car side.

Todd Sullivan

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

hubert mask
 

Now that is the kind of photos I need to complete Decals.

Hubert Mask
MAsk Island Decals

On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


Here are a couple of clear views of these unusual NP grabiron mounts.

I also include a shot of a commonly seen end grab with two different brackets.



On 2/27/2020 2:01 PM, Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io wrote:
Because the left-opening door would contact (smush) the grabs if they were mounted completely on the car side.

Todd Sullivan

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



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Re: NP Mystery Car

Doug Paasch
 

I still bemoan the loss of the “good old days” when the sky was blue (even on overcast days) from the tee-pee sawdust burners, and the air burned your nose with its acrid smell.  I also miss the “aroma of Tacoma” and the “smell of it in Everett” from the pulp mills and the ASARCO smelter.  Frankly, I found great beauty in the industrial sprawl and still miss the days when America actually made things instead of importing everything from China.  As for steam era freight car content, I also miss the variety of railroad cars back then versus the boring unit trains of today.  Alas, those days are gone.

 

  Doug Paasch

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NP Mystery Car

 

I am sure that Gregg Martin would have some useful thoughts about hog fuel. Chipping whole logs for paper mills came about strongly in the 1950s. Prior to that time, hog fuel was mostly from sawmill leftovers which could be be diverted from the slash burners (The teepee Hut fire places) leaving mostly saw dust for on site burning, as it seems buyers for waste wood fuel use did not place a high value for saw dust.

 

Chipping became a big thing for the burgening North West paper mills with their huge demand for wood fiber which the mills found profits from chipping logs into fairly consistent sized chips. The demand for chips reached the point where whole logs were now chipped, no longer was mill waste with the problems of irregular size as valued.

 

Tim's photos show the type of non-chip loads on early hog fuel cars. Lots of slash which would have  otherwise been sent into the teepee burners. Chip cars and hog fuel cars were serving different markets.

 

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 10:08:23 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 


A couple of photos of hog fuel. There could be large pieces of wood - like firewood logs -
but those were usually loaded into specialized cars or gondolas. I've included a shot of this too.



On 2/26/2020 11:18 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:

Andy Carlson wrote:



Going back to the era of this car I would presume the car to be a Hog Fuel car, hog fuel being the mill slabs and other mill detritus. Chips were to come around later. 

 

     True about the nomenclature, but not about the product. The great majority of hog fuel that you can see in photos was definitely chips.

 

Tony Thompson

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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