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Re: coupler distance over car end

Dennis Storzek
 

Johannes,

You first need to determine where the center sills actually end. In North American practice in our era, the sills were typically capped by a massive casting known as the 'striker casting', its purpose being to receive the blow from the 'striker horn' on the coupler when under heavy impact, to keep the draft gear from being damaged. Rule of thumb for freight cars built after the mid thirties is this is 5'-6" from the truck kingpin. Most drawings and equipment diagrams dimension the truck centers, and most also dimension the length over strikers. Tabular data normally includes length over strikers. Note that the striker is usually several inches out from the end sill, but this dimension varies.

The ARA/AAR Type D coupler, in use from just before WWI, and the Type E, still the current standard, are 12" from 'pulling face', the inside of the knuckle, to the back of the striker horn. Steam era draft gear typically had 3" of traven, putting the pulling face 15" from the striker casting. Earlier MCB approved coupler designs were smaller, typically 9.25" from pulling face to striker horn, so cars so equipped couple closer together.

Dennis Storzek


coupler distance over car end

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I have several cars where the coupling distance seems to be or definitely is too large, so I have to reposition the coupler box. I already use Kadee #153 couplers together with #178 box (where possible). My question is if there are any rules regarding the correct position = distance of coupler face over end beam or running board, or if I just could do as short as possible to be correct - just making sure that the coupler box front is gap-free with the end beam (which I doubt). Any help will be very appreciated.

Many thanks an greetings

Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953


Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

http://www.nprha.org/NP%20AFE%20Index/NP_1923.pdf

page 15

Who knows, worn out trucks, had a bunch of 70 ton trucks in stock, had a customer taking about raising elephants.

I will see what the AFE file says when I scan it in a couple of months.

-Hudson


Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Does anybody else think 70-ton trucks under NP 81745 sounds a bit odd? 40-ton trucks would be fine for a stock car. Is this a misprint, or would there be a reason for such heavy trucks under such a light car?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:10 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Nice photo! The CB&Q car looks pretty new.

 

BTW, I see 8-28 in the lower left corner under the sill at the door. That might be the photo month/year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hudson Leighton
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

 

Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

NP 81745 blt. ?? as NP 90145, in 1923 under AFE 5118-23 was renumbered to NP 81745 and upgraded with 70 ton trucks, in 1933 under AFE 5024-33 it was dismantled.


Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Chuck Soule
 

The "A" on the stock yard building in the background suggests the photo is cropped from a NP Joint Facilities Book.  The date of 8-28 in the lower right corner is consistent with the period the books were prepared.  I believe there may be a copy of the volume covering the Billings joint facilities at the railway museum in Duluth.  The facility would have been documented if it was owned by the NP but shared under a joint facilities agreement with the CB&Q and/or GN.

I don't believe the Jt. Fac. volumes at Pacific Northwest Railway Archive include Billings.

Chuck Soule


Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks for posting. Looks like the steel frame is newly painted without painting the slats. Never seen that.

On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:

This picture seems to have disappeared here is a reload.

-Hudson
<34041-034 NP 81745 CBQ 56315.jpg>


Twin Cities Mpls St Paul Modelers Retreat - (an RPM by any other name)

np328
 

 Date March 13, 14th of 2020, Friday late afternoon into the evening, Saturday morning and afternoon. 
 Location: 11810  52nd Ave North, Plymouth, MN - same location as last few years. 
 Pre Registration: $20 includes lunch, which prior has been a great perk.  
 You may e-mail registration and transfer fund via PayPal to mhry19@... 
 Pre-Registration deadline is Monday the 9th.  or $25 at the door (which IMHO is still a good deal).
 Several local layouts will be open for tours. 

Ken Zieska is the organizer available at the above <mhry19@...> e-mail address. Also at http://www.tcdnmra.org/ 
I'll see if I can get a list of presenters and presentations out ASAP. 
                                                                                                                                Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

This picture seems to have disappeared here is a reload.

-Hudson


Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Rupert Gamlen
 

CB&Q 56315 was built by the Burlington at its Galesburg shops in 1926-27, part of class SM-18A group numbered 56200-56699. They were constructed using National Dump centre sills from retired GA-12 and GE-2 gondolas which had been built in 1914. Some were later fitted with an upper deck, signified by the letter “D” above the road number.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2020 7:10 am
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

 

Nice photo! The CB&Q car looks pretty new.

 

BTW, I see 8-28 in the lower left corner under the sill at the door. That might be the photo month/year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hudson Leighton
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

 

Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

NP 81745 blt. ?? as NP 90145, in 1923 under AFE 5118-23 was renumbered to NP 81745 and upgraded with 70 ton trucks, in 1933 under AFE 5024-33 it was dismantled.

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Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

William Hirt
 

CB&Q 36' Stock Car Class SM18-A (Series 56200-56699) was built in 1928 by CB&Q Galesburg. The lettering on the car looks fairly new in the photo, so it maybe not long after it was built.

Bill Hirt

On 3/2/2020 10:38 AM, Hudson Leighton wrote:
Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

NP 81745 blt. ?? as NP 90145, in 1923 under AFE 5118-23 was renumbered to NP 81745 and upgraded with 70 ton trucks, in 1933 under AFE 5024-33 it was dismantled.
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Re: Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Eric Hansmann
 

Nice photo! The CB&Q car looks pretty new.

 

BTW, I see 8-28 in the lower left corner under the sill at the door. That might be the photo month/year.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hudson Leighton
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

 

Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

NP 81745 blt. ?? as NP 90145, in 1923 under AFE 5118-23 was renumbered to NP 81745 and upgraded with 70 ton trucks, in 1933 under AFE 5024-33 it was dismantled.


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Tim O'Connor
 


I think they overlap each other when opened.

On the Seaboard car, you could move one or both doors out of the way, because when
closed they were offset all the way to one end.


On 3/2/2020 1:01 PM, Jon Miller wrote:
On 3/2/2020 9:58 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's a stretch to call MILW 16800 a box car :-)
It looks like 16800 was a box car BODY dropped onto a 53 foot flat car.
Pretty much the weirdest rebuild I've seen.

    I'm curious what all the doors do.  I can't figure out how the extra ones make the opening wider?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/2/2020 9:58 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's a stretch to call MILW 16800 a box car :-)
It looks like 16800 was a box car BODY dropped onto a 53 foot flat car.
Pretty much the weirdest rebuild I've seen.

    I'm curious what all the doors do.  I can't figure out how the extra ones make the opening wider?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Tim O'Connor
 

It's a stretch to call MILW 16800 a box car :-)

It looks like 16800 was a box car BODY dropped onto a 53 foot flat car.

Pretty much the weirdest rebuild I've seen.

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On 3/2/2020 11:57 AM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:
GN had at least one boxcar with "grab iron extensions":

GN 29001    40',  20' opening

Also having grab iron extensions were:

SAL 20200-20209    40',  20' opening

And now for something a little different:

MILW 16800    50',  30' opening
Not only were the grabs mounted on extensions, but so were the side ladders.

(all dimensions approximate)

Ed
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

spsalso
 

GN had at least one boxcar with "grab iron extensions":

GN 29001    40',  20' opening

Also having grab iron extensions were:

SAL 20200-20209    40',  20' opening

And now for something a little different:

MILW 16800    50',  30' opening
Not only were the grabs mounted on extensions, but so were the side ladders.

(all dimensions approximate)

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

Stock Cars NP 81745 & CBQ 56315 circa 1926

NP 81745 blt. ?? as NP 90145, in 1923 under AFE 5118-23 was renumbered to NP 81745 and upgraded with 70 ton trucks, in 1933 under AFE 5024-33 it was dismantled.


Reminder - Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers Meet 2020

Richard McQuade
 

A brief reminder that later this month the annual Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers Meet will be held on Saturday, March 21st from 8:30 am to 4:00pm at Humber College in Toronto. Complete information including a map is available on our website at:

 

https://torontoprototypemodellers.wordpress.com/


Re: The New York Central in 1928-1929

spsalso
 

I "found" NYC 1904.

It was an 0-6-0T Dummy.  Built as NYC&HR 10 in September of 1914.  Retired December 1932.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Don DeLay
 

>The 14000 to 14499 were built in 1957 at St Cloud and did not have the billboard letters originally.

Out of the 20-something photos I have of these cars, only one (14241) has the large initials. I believe very few of the  fifty-footers received this lettering compared to the forty-footers since there were more classes of 40' cars. 

Don DeLay


Re: Grab Irons Extensions

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 07:18 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
CB&Q 41891 attached
Well, they were red. I knew they were red. :-)

Dennis

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