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B&LE 82000 series box cars

Clark Propst
 

Anyone have or know of any photos of a B&LE 82000 series box car? Supposed to be a double sheathed 100K ton car off their roster in late 1940 early 1941. 25 became M&StL 50300 series. A photo of one of those would be even better  ;  ))

Thanks much for any help!
CW Propst
Re: liquid storage (was Consumer Warning Labels)

Tim O'Connor
 

I have found that Tamiya jars are absolutely air tight. I even transferred contact and canopy cement to the jars and they remain perfectly fresh.

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From: npmoyer@hotmail.com
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-08 12:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Hope you protected your MEK from evaporation. I bought a quart and decanted an ounce into a repurposed paint bottle. A couple of year later when I needed to refill the bottle, I found the can half full. The cap was tight, but I still had evaporative loss.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> wrote:

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst







--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*
Re: New England Rail Service #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit.

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Hi, Don.

I purchased 5 of the conversion kits several years ago and finally got around to doing my Accurail cars. They look pretty good to me and provide something different. My cars would never win any contests but sure look nice next to other ones.

Thanks for making the kits available to us.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Sunday, March 8, 2020, 07:54:32 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hi folks,

    I gather that someone must have presented an article in one of the modeling mags on converting 
some suppliers single door boxcar into a 1 1/2 door car judging from the number of requests for our
kit to do this over the last several months. We ran out of the parts late last fall and then received a 
fill order from our molder in which all parts did not fill and he did not notice it. Last week we received
a new fill order in which all parts are properly filled. Thus we are again taking orders for that item and 
generally fill and ship such orders within 48 hours. Our minimum order has been reduced to $24 to 
make it easier to order small numbers of such parts plus $4.00 for shipping and handling.  

   The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On kits are $5.95 each and are designed to be easily used with the 
Accu-Rail Single Sheathed USRA style boxcars. Such cars were used in large numbers by the CNR, 
GTW and other roads. The original article on which these kits are based was prepared by our late 
associate, Richard Hendrickson and appears in the April 1993 issue of Rail Model Journal.

Cordially, Don Valentine



_._,_._,_
Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Nelson Moyer
 

Hope you protected your MEK from evaporation. I bought a quart and decanted an ounce into a repurposed paint bottle. A couple of year later when I needed to refill the bottle, I found the can half full. The cap was tight, but I still had evaporative loss.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> wrote:

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst



Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Jack Burgess
 

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst
Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Matthew Hurst
 

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst

On Mar 8, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Jon Miller <atsfus@gmail.com> wrote:
Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/8/2020 7:20 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
What does this have to do with Steam Era Freight Car Modeling?

    Well it a reason it's hard to impossible to buy MEK, in CA, which  is my favorite glue for polystyrene.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
Re: New England Rail Service #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit.

Robert Allan
 

Your product was featured in a Model Railroad Hobbyist article.

Can you remind me how to order your product? I did not see a link on the internet. Last time it seemed there was a ten unit minimum quantity, which was a disincentive for me.

Bob Allan
Omaha
Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Tim O'Connor
 


It comes up because certain paints and adhesives are banned or hard to get in some places. To enforce the bans or restrictions a system of labels is required. It's about public health, a very hot topic right now.


-----Original Message-----

From: handbt33@...
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-08 10:23:46 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Sorry but I gotta ask....

What does this have to do with Steam Era Freight Car Modeling?

Matthew Hurst


On Mar 8, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Roger Perkins <roger39perkins@...> wrote:


I am an industrial toxicologist by profession and was board certified until I retired.
Until mid 2005, I was employed by an multinational corporation.
My position involved making certain the company's products were
labeled correctly for all locations where they were offered for sale.

Before new products were introduced, I evaluated the ingredients and
made suggestions that certain ingredients be changed if they were hazardous.
California Proposition 65 is one of the State regulations that has requirements for labeling
that seem ridiculous to me on the surface. I just purchased some white hobby that has such
a label because it contains titanium dioxide.   

I contend that companies should have every new and modified product assessed by professional qualified toxicologists. 




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Matthew Hurst
 

Sorry but I gotta ask....

What does this have to do with Steam Era Freight Car Modeling?

Matthew Hurst


On Mar 8, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Roger Perkins <roger39perkins@...> wrote:


I am an industrial toxicologist by profession and was board certified until I retired.
Until mid 2005, I was employed by an multinational corporation.
My position involved making certain the company's products were
labeled correctly for all locations where they were offered for sale.

Before new products were introduced, I evaluated the ingredients and
made suggestions that certain ingredients be changed if they were hazardous.
California Proposition 65 is one of the State regulations that has requirements for labeling
that seem ridiculous to me on the surface. I just purchased some white hobby that has such
a label because it contains titanium dioxide.   

I contend that companies should have every new and modified product assessed by professional qualified toxicologists. 
Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Roger Perkins
 

I am an industrial toxicologist by profession and was board certified until I retired.
Until mid 2005, I was employed by an multinational corporation.
My position involved making certain the company's products were
labeled correctly for all locations where they were offered for sale.

Before new products were introduced, I evaluated the ingredients and
made suggestions that certain ingredients be changed if they were hazardous.
California Proposition 65 is one of the State regulations that has requirements for labeling
that seem ridiculous to me on the surface. I just purchased some white hobby that has such
a label because it contains titanium dioxide.   

I contend that companies should have every new and modified product assessed by professional qualified toxicologists. 
Re: Great Northern Flat Car 69958

espee4441
 

For years I've wondered where BN idler flats to their barge ramp in West Seattle came from, think these are them. 

Excellent work, thank you for explaining in detail how to improve the deck because it looks fabulous.

Tony Pawley
Re: New England Rail Service #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit.

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi folks,

    I gather that someone must have presented an article in one of the modeling mags on converting 
some suppliers single door boxcar into a 1 1/2 door car judging from the number of requests for our
kit to do this over the last several months. We ran out of the parts late last fall and then received a 
fill order from our molder in which all parts did not fill and he did not notice it. Last week we received
a new fill order in which all parts are properly filled. Thus we are again taking orders for that item and 
generally fill and ship such orders within 48 hours. Our minimum order has been reduced to $24 to 
make it easier to order small numbers of such parts plus $4.00 for shipping and handling.  

   The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On kits are $5.95 each and are designed to be easily used with the 
Accu-Rail Single Sheathed USRA style boxcars. Such cars were used in large numbers by the CNR, 
GTW and other roads. The original article on which these kits are based was prepared by our late 
associate, Richard Hendrickson and appears in the April 1993 issue of Rail Model Journal.

Cordially, Don Valentine
Re: Great Northern Flat Car 69958

Paul Doggett
 

Lester
That’s another fine build thanks for sharing it.
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 8 Mar 2020, at 01:15, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:



I have completed the build of Great Northern Flat Car 69958, class FM.  If you are interested in the build of this flat car including addition of details not in the kit, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer
Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 07:34 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
I will see what I can live with.
Steve, Ron Sebastian had those tooled after he bought my resin kit line to replace the white metal steps I mastered for my NYC double sheathed boxcars. That attachment was meant to mount to the steel side sill, tucked in under the wood side sill, a real typical arrangement in the years just prior to WWI, and look rather strange mounted outside the car siding. Just my two cents.

Dennis Storzek
Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Thanks for all the fine suggestions.  Here is what the Des Plaines Hobbies part ends up looking like.  Close, but not an exact match.  Probably needs to be longer with the attachment points vertical instead of horizontal.  I will see what I can live with.
 
Thanks again,
Steve Hile


From: Steve and Barb Hile [mailto:shile@...]
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2020 7:23 PM
To: 'main@RealSTMFC.groups.io'; 'resinfreightcars-unsubscribe@...'
Subject: Two Rung Sill Step

Sorry for the double posting, but I am looking for a plastic or brass casting of a two rung sill step of the type that looks like this
 
 
Is anyone aware of such a casting?
 
Thanks in advance,
Steve Hile
Re: [Plastic Freight Car Builders], [Model Railroad], [Model Railway], [Plastic Model Railroad Freight Car Builders] Great Northern Flat Car 69958

gary laakso
 

Great job, Lester.  For those with a copy of November-December, 1978 Northwestern Prototype Modeler, pages 12 and 12 feature an article by our own Steffan Ehnbom on kit bashing this class flatcar by using an AHM flatcar.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io <main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io
Subject: [Plastic Freight Car Builders], [Model Railroad], [Model Railway], [Plastic Model Railroad Freight Car Builders] Great Northern Flat Car 69958

 

I have completed the build of Great Northern Flat Car 69958, class FM.  If you are interested in the build of this car including addition of details not in the kit, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer
Re: Consumer Warning Labels

mel perry
 

bare in mind gentlemen, this warning was created to protect the consumer,
the rampant useage, is a result of shyster lawyers, who thought they had
found a loophole, after losing the case,
most manufacturers found in cheaper
to enclose this warning in their products,
rather than paying lawyer fees, in
defending their businesses or paying
nuisance fees to "settle out of court"
to a bunch of shyster lawyers, i'll bet
your states don't give s rats ass about
your health, what you do know will kill
you, remember to save a copy of this
warning for your casket
:-)
mel perry

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020, 1:07 PM Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:

All-

As a lifelong Model Railroader who now has spent a longer time than my first  in my second career (25 years and counting) in the Model Railroad Industry, I’ve heard the comment about labeling era on product for years.

Having worked in R&D for a number of importer/manufacturers I know how difficult it is to assemble and digest the information on the myriad range of eras, railroads, road numbers, paint schemes and variations thereof to make the product in the first place and would not care to try to distill that onto a label that will protect the consumer from making catastrophic wrong purchase decisions.  And that assumes that within the company hierarchy the marketing people in charge of putting together packaging and advertising actually listen to the R&D people in the first place.

The problem as I see it is that the people who care about freight cars (this group representing a large percentage of them) likely would know better or how to determine the approximate dates that a given car or paint scheme would be running the part of the rail network that they are interested in. 

I think it is better to let the consumer educate themselves to the level that they need….I could see hours of additional research on every product number to try to determine if AB&C #143233 in the mauve scheme ran under that number in that paint job with the particular stenciling applied…..if such information can even be had.   Would such information on a product cause people to buy more or give them an excuse not to make a purchase?   What would be next…..rejecting product as being “out of era” because COTS stenciling on brake equipment or reweigh dates are out of range?  

Yes, a few of us model on a tight range of dates (or even ONE day…Hi Jack!!) and those likely don’t wait for the label to say its okay to buy something….they do the work and justify the purchase within their own guidelines.

I just hope that California doesn’t get the idea that this needs their protection.   When I was at Kato we spent days on adding the legal notice to packaging because the brass used in flywheels contained a very small percentage of lead to make it machinable which was a big threat to the denizens of the Golden State who apparently eat their trains or throw them away in leaching landfills.

Charlie Vlk

   

 
Great Northern Flat Car 69958

Lester Breuer
 

I have completed the build of Great Northern Flat Car 69958, class FM.  If you are interested in the build of this flat car including addition of details not in the kit, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer
Re: Two Rung Sill Step

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

 

I have an operating layout and need steps that will stand up to handling.  I have attached photos of how I fabricate this type  of “two rung sill steps” using A-Line type A steps and flat metal bar stock.  Pretty easy to tape and solder OR if you want to, ACC them.  The second photo is a finished F&C F29 depressed center flat car with finished steps.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM
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