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Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Bob Chaparro
 

MEK and several other chemicals thought to be banned in California are still available, but not in the smaller consumer-size containers. The approach is that industrial and commercial users are more observant of fume control and proper disposal than household users.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Rod Miller
 

On 3/7/20 2:03 PM, Hudson Leighton wrote:
If I ever go into the model train business, my labels are going to say:
"It is  Illegal to possess, purchase, sell or transfer this product in the State of California."
-Hudson
Now if California could come up with a foolproof (there's the rub) way to receive money from those who make fun of it, all CA taxes could be
done away with. 8-)

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives,
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More
http://www.rodmiller.com


Re: [Plastic Freight Car Builders], [Model Railroad], [Model Railway], [Plastic Model Railroad Freight Car Builders] Great Northern Flat Car 69958

James E Kubanick
 

Lester,

Another very nice build. I do enjoy reading your blogs as they are full of very usable techniques that are useful in my own projects.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Saturday, March 7, 2020, 10:25:27 PM EST, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:


Great job, Lester.  For those with a copy of November-December, 1978 Northwestern Prototype Modeler, pages 12 and 12 feature an article by our own Steffan Ehnbom on kit bashing this class flatcar by using an AHM flatcar.

 

Gary Laakso

 

From: main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io <main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@PlasticFreightCarBuiilders.groups.io
Subject: [Plastic Freight Car Builders], [Model Railroad], [Model Railway], [Plastic Model Railroad Freight Car Builders] Great Northern Flat Car 69958

 

I have completed the build of Great Northern Flat Car 69958, class FM.  If you are interested in the build of this car including addition of details not in the kit, photos and writeup of the build process including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Nelson Moyer
 

I guess all cans aren’t created equal. The cap on my Sunnyside MEK let the MEK out very slowly, despite being tight. I haven’t had that problem with acetone or lacquer thinner.

I’ll decant the next can into a glass chemical bottle with a neoprene lined plastic cap.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 8, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

I keep the MEK in the original metal cans and decanter a small amount into a
plastic bottle (it has been proven to not evaporate from it) and then use it
to put a 1/8" of so in my plastic dispenser (which does evaporate over
time).

Jack Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Hope you protected your MEK from evaporation. I bought a quart and decanted
an ounce into a repurposed paint bottle. A couple of year later when I
needed to refill the bottle, I found the can half full. The cap was tight,
but I still had evaporative loss.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jack Burgess <jack@...>
wrote:

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were
using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still
available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst









Siems Stembel - was Standard Steel Drawing List

Bob Webber
 

Hi, Dennis - given the day, I decided to go to the Library, bring a bunch of "used" tubes back to the reefer, and along with some specific tubes, I brought back 1 Siems tube.   A Soo Box, & Gon, NP flat, MILW gon, a GN stock and some other "stuff". 

Was there something specific you might be interested in (no, I don't have specifics yet, we'll scan the tube on Wednesday, and it will be added to the SSC folder)?




At 01:33 PM 1/24/2020, Dennis Storzek wrote:
I only see four drawings listed for the Soo Line, searching both by common name and corporate initials. This isn't surprising, as the Soo bought very little from SSC, but begs the question, is Siems Stembel production included in the SSC list?

Dennis
_._,_._,_

Bob Webber


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Tom Madden
 

When my employer closed down my prototype printed circuit lab in 1992 I liberated a 3/4 full gallon jug of MEK that was slated for disposal. I've only used it occasionally since I began resin casting, but it's still good 28 years later with minimal evaporation loss. It's in a glass jug with a lined plastic screw cap in our unheated garage.

Tom Madden


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Jack Burgess
 

I keep the MEK in the original metal cans and decanter a small amount into a
plastic bottle (it has been proven to not evaporate from it) and then use it
to put a 1/8" of so in my plastic dispenser (which does evaporate over
time).

Jack Burgess

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Hope you protected your MEK from evaporation. I bought a quart and decanted
an ounce into a repurposed paint bottle. A couple of year later when I
needed to refill the bottle, I found the can half full. The cap was tight,
but I still had evaporative loss.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jack Burgess <jack@...>
wrote:

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were
using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still
available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst




Re: New England Rail Service #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit.

Ray Breyer
 

Don's half doors are a great, cost effective way to create "fleet grade" (or better) models of tens of thousands of single and double sheathe auto boxcars, which ran through the entire timeframe for this list. They may occasionally need work for specific prototypes, but that's still faster and easier than scratching  your own doors.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Sunday, March 8, 2020, 11:48:51 AM CDT, Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...> wrote:


Hi, Don.

I purchased 5 of the conversion kits several years ago and finally got around to doing my Accurail cars. They look pretty good to me and provide something different. My cars would never win any contests but sure look nice next to other ones.

Thanks for making the kits available to us.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Sunday, March 8, 2020, 07:54:32 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hi folks,

    I gather that someone must have presented an article in one of the modeling mags on converting 
some suppliers single door boxcar into a 1 1/2 door car judging from the number of requests for our
kit to do this over the last several months. We ran out of the parts late last fall and then received a 
fill order from our molder in which all parts did not fill and he did not notice it. Last week we received
a new fill order in which all parts are properly filled. Thus we are again taking orders for that item and 
generally fill and ship such orders within 48 hours. Our minimum order has been reduced to $24 to 
make it easier to order small numbers of such parts plus $4.00 for shipping and handling.  

   The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On kits are $5.95 each and are designed to be easily used with the 
Accu-Rail Single Sheathed USRA style boxcars. Such cars were used in large numbers by the CNR, 
GTW and other roads. The original article on which these kits are based was prepared by our late 
associate, Richard Hendrickson and appears in the April 1993 issue of Rail Model Journal.

Cordially, Don Valentine




Re: New England Rail Service #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit.

Matt Smith
 

Don,
Who are you and how do we get your product? Do you distribute through another website? I googled your company name and the part number but nothing comes up but a few random parts on hobby sites and everything says back ordered? Just wondering how people can find out about your products and how to purchase them.

Thanks
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


B&LE 82000 series box cars

Clark Propst
 

Anyone have or know of any photos of a B&LE 82000 series box car? Supposed to be a double sheathed 100K ton car off their roster in late 1940 early 1941. 25 became M&StL 50300 series. A photo of one of those would be even better  ;  ))

Thanks much for any help!
CW Propst


Re: liquid storage (was Consumer Warning Labels)

Tim O'Connor
 

I have found that Tamiya jars are absolutely air tight. I even transferred contact and canopy cement to the jars and they remain perfectly fresh.

-----Original Message-----

From: npmoyer@...
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-08 12:26:17 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Hope you protected your MEK from evaporation. I bought a quart and decanted an ounce into a repurposed paint bottle. A couple of year later when I needed to refill the bottle, I found the can half full. The cap was tight, but I still had evaporative loss.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst







--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: New England Rail Service #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit.

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Hi, Don.

I purchased 5 of the conversion kits several years ago and finally got around to doing my Accurail cars. They look pretty good to me and provide something different. My cars would never win any contests but sure look nice next to other ones.

Thanks for making the kits available to us.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Sunday, March 8, 2020, 07:54:32 AM CDT, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:


Hi folks,

    I gather that someone must have presented an article in one of the modeling mags on converting 
some suppliers single door boxcar into a 1 1/2 door car judging from the number of requests for our
kit to do this over the last several months. We ran out of the parts late last fall and then received a 
fill order from our molder in which all parts did not fill and he did not notice it. Last week we received
a new fill order in which all parts are properly filled. Thus we are again taking orders for that item and 
generally fill and ship such orders within 48 hours. Our minimum order has been reduced to $24 to 
make it easier to order small numbers of such parts plus $4.00 for shipping and handling.  

   The #1000 1/2 Door Add-On kits are $5.95 each and are designed to be easily used with the 
Accu-Rail Single Sheathed USRA style boxcars. Such cars were used in large numbers by the CNR, 
GTW and other roads. The original article on which these kits are based was prepared by our late 
associate, Richard Hendrickson and appears in the April 1993 issue of Rail Model Journal.

Cordially, Don Valentine



_._,_._,_


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Nelson Moyer
 

Hope you protected your MEK from evaporation. I bought a quart and decanted an ounce into a repurposed paint bottle. A couple of year later when I needed to refill the bottle, I found the can half full. The cap was tight, but I still had evaporative loss.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst




Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Jack Burgess
 

Actually, MEK isn't illegal in California. I suspect that buyers were using
if when other products were available. I've heard that it is still available
in places that sell automobile paint.

I bought two gallons of MEK before it was no longer available...I didn't
want to run out!

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Matthew Hurst
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Jon Miller
Cc: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Matthew Hurst
 

Well... true.

You want me to smuggle some in to you? Hmm?

Matthew Hurst

On Mar 8, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Jon Miller
 

On 3/8/2020 7:20 AM, Matthew Hurst wrote:
What does this have to do with Steam Era Freight Car Modeling?

    Well it a reason it's hard to impossible to buy MEK, in CA, which  is my favorite glue for polystyrene.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: New England Rail Service #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit.

Robert Allan
 

Your product was featured in a Model Railroad Hobbyist article.

Can you remind me how to order your product? I did not see a link on the internet. Last time it seemed there was a ten unit minimum quantity, which was a disincentive for me.

Bob Allan
Omaha


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Tim O'Connor
 


It comes up because certain paints and adhesives are banned or hard to get in some places. To enforce the bans or restrictions a system of labels is required. It's about public health, a very hot topic right now.


-----Original Message-----

From: handbt33@...
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-08 10:23:46 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Sorry but I gotta ask....

What does this have to do with Steam Era Freight Car Modeling?

Matthew Hurst


On Mar 8, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Roger Perkins <roger39perkins@...> wrote:


I am an industrial toxicologist by profession and was board certified until I retired.
Until mid 2005, I was employed by an multinational corporation.
My position involved making certain the company's products were
labeled correctly for all locations where they were offered for sale.

Before new products were introduced, I evaluated the ingredients and
made suggestions that certain ingredients be changed if they were hazardous.
California Proposition 65 is one of the State regulations that has requirements for labeling
that seem ridiculous to me on the surface. I just purchased some white hobby that has such
a label because it contains titanium dioxide.   

I contend that companies should have every new and modified product assessed by professional qualified toxicologists. 




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Matthew Hurst
 

Sorry but I gotta ask....

What does this have to do with Steam Era Freight Car Modeling?

Matthew Hurst


On Mar 8, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Roger Perkins <roger39perkins@...> wrote:


I am an industrial toxicologist by profession and was board certified until I retired.
Until mid 2005, I was employed by an multinational corporation.
My position involved making certain the company's products were
labeled correctly for all locations where they were offered for sale.

Before new products were introduced, I evaluated the ingredients and
made suggestions that certain ingredients be changed if they were hazardous.
California Proposition 65 is one of the State regulations that has requirements for labeling
that seem ridiculous to me on the surface. I just purchased some white hobby that has such
a label because it contains titanium dioxide.   

I contend that companies should have every new and modified product assessed by professional qualified toxicologists. 


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Roger Perkins
 

I am an industrial toxicologist by profession and was board certified until I retired.
Until mid 2005, I was employed by an multinational corporation.
My position involved making certain the company's products were
labeled correctly for all locations where they were offered for sale.

Before new products were introduced, I evaluated the ingredients and
made suggestions that certain ingredients be changed if they were hazardous.
California Proposition 65 is one of the State regulations that has requirements for labeling
that seem ridiculous to me on the surface. I just purchased some white hobby that has such
a label because it contains titanium dioxide.   

I contend that companies should have every new and modified product assessed by professional qualified toxicologists.