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Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Randy Hammill
 

A little more info - if the ends are what I think they are, the top corrugation was usually (always?) flat along the bottom.

The B&O and some of the SP cars had poling pockets. I couldn’t verify the others with the photos handy, although I think many of them did not. Most of them appear to have a more triangular shaped “tab” at the bottom corners, rather than the square appearance there.

 Randy
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Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Bruce Griffin
 


Randy,

Thank you. Knowing my modeling interest they were probably purchased for a B&O project.  

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Randy Hammill
 

Those look like Improved Dreadnaught Ends for 10’0” IH cars. They have been described as having rolling pin shaped corrugations and a stiffening rib at the top.

B&O 285000-285999
D&M 3000-3099
DL&W 10000-10039, 52500-53259
GN 11375-11874, 18000-20499
M&StL 4000-5398
NMSX 5200-5201
SP 100000-109099
SP&S 13000-13499
SSW 33850-33949
T&NO 58500-62249
WM 29001-29300

 All the info you’d want in RPCyc 8.

 Randy

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Help Identifying Boxcar Ends.

Bruce Griffin
 

Friends,

Can anyone assist in identifying a steam era boxcar project for these ends? Photos attached. Thank you. 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: Alcohol

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 01:33 PM, Ralph W. Brown wrote:
What kind of alcohol? 
Actually, McMaster Carr Co. has several varieties, Methyl, Ethyl, and Isopropyl all at 99% concentration (not that it stays that way if you leave it open), in pints, quarts, gallons, and fives. Only problem is the cost is about four times what someone cited for the drug store, but if no other source is found...
https://www.mcmaster.com/alcohol

Dennis Storzek


Re: Alcohol

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bob,
 
What kind of alcohol? 
 
I presume the electrics folks use whichever it is for cleaning contact, etc., correct?
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Alcohol
 
I've purchased 99% (right, 99%) from an area electronics store.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Alcohol

Bob Chaparro
 

I've purchased 99% (right, 99%) from an area electronics store.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

Bill Keene
 

Thank you Ben and Elden,

An appliance service car would be a good addition to the layout’s fleet. It appears that the X29D dates from 1953 which happens to me my modeling year. A quick search reveals that F&C has a kit for the X29D.  I guess my next step is to dive into some research to learn more about these cars. 

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Mar 10, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Ben is correct; post-55 cars, as-built never in CK P&L.  They did go all over the country with GE appliance loads.
 
Elden Gatwood
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Keene via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:43 PM
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Elden,
 
What is the rough date that the X29F box cars went into service? Would these have been in service during the circle keystone era? 
 
My knowledge of the PRR is quite limited thus this rather basic question.
 
Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
 
 


On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 
Gang;
 
This is a dedicated service PRR X29F in appliance service to GE, with STB load restraining equipment.  They were specially rebuilt from X29 u/f’s expressly for this purpose.
 
Elden Gatwood
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:06 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service
 
GE's Appliance Park in Louisville KY got a dedicated group of high-cube cars, not all from just one road.  Park opened in 1951.
Chuck Peck
 
 
 
 



Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ben is correct; post-55 cars, as-built never in CK P&L.  They did go all over the country with GE appliance loads.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Keene via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 1:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

 

Elden,

 

What is the rough date that the X29F box cars went into service? Would these have been in service during the circle keystone era? 

 

My knowledge of the PRR is quite limited thus this rather basic question.

 

Thanks & Happy Modeling,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

 

 



On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

 

Gang;

 

This is a dedicated service PRR X29F in appliance service to GE, with STB load restraining equipment.  They were specially rebuilt from X29 u/f’s expressly for this purpose.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:06 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

 

GE's Appliance Park in Louisville KY got a dedicated group of high-cube cars, not all from just one road.  Park opened in 1951.

Chuck Peck

 

 

 

 


Re: "Dedicated" freight car service

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Keene asked:
"What is the rough date that the X29F box cars went into service? Would these have been in service during the circle keystone era?"

c. 1958.  They are post-circle keystone era; the last Class X29 rebuilds to be painted in CK were the X29D.


Ben Hom


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

Bill Keene
 

Elden,

What is the rough date that the X29F box cars went into service? Would these have been in service during the circle keystone era? 

My knowledge of the PRR is quite limited thus this rather basic question.

Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:18 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Gang;
 
This is a dedicated service PRR X29F in appliance service to GE, with STB load restraining equipment.  They were specially rebuilt from X29 u/f’s expressly for this purpose.
 
Elden Gatwood
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:06 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service
 
GE's Appliance Park in Louisville KY got a dedicated group of high-cube cars, not all from just one road.  Park opened in 1951.
Chuck Peck
 
 



Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

 

This is a dedicated service PRR X29F in appliance service to GE, with STB load restraining equipment.  They were specially rebuilt from X29 u/f’s expressly for this purpose.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Charles Peck
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:06 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

 

GE's Appliance Park in Louisville KY got a dedicated group of high-cube cars, not all from just one road.  Park opened in 1951.

Chuck Peck

 

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:42 PM np328 <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

     For the railroads I have studied and read up in company files, I'll make a generalization that: specialized cars are most likely to be found in dedicated service. 

The rational is that these costs of the (then) new designs had to be justified by a dependable ROI.

    When the NP ordered new 50' cars in the late 1920's, these new 6000 series were to be dedicated to auto service. The studies done by them indicated that shipments of autos at that time were most dependent on what empty cars were available in the local Detroit area yards, and who let cars sit around idle local to the auto plants waiting for the call. They wanted these cars yesterday if not sooner, so they bought 1000 of these based largely on an existing AT&StF design that a car builder was building and had the assy. jigs already in place.  As autos grew in length, the Evans loaders needed to be changed more or less yearly with each new auto development. Eventually for lack of several inches (3 - 4 inches) of interior roof height, the cars were no longer viable as auto carriers and were released into general service.  

      Later came covered hoppers, at a time when these were still uncommon on railroads, the NP bought a handful - for one shipper per the request of the sales dept. Then later bought the next handful for another shipper, again per the sales dept.  Both of these sets and many later purchases of covered hoppers went directly into dedicated service.  The SP&S and GN were the same early on in the development of covered hoppers from the exchange of letters found in corporate files. The Q had a bigger heavy industry market (the Chicago area) than the others and so was on an earlier timeline.

   More NP examples (covered gons) exist however they are beyond this lists 1960 end date. 

     And I will state that if it was a dedicated service car, accounting had already crunched the numbers on the sales department request for said cars to be dedicated. An AFE or reading the railroads Board of Directors budget request for the prior year that cars were ordered for Oliver Farm Equipment or others should shed light on things. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN

 

    


Re: Shrink wrap

Eric Hansmann
 

I used a similar technique for tarp covered loads. Attached are a couple images. I start with a pad of chipboard from a cereal box and glue Styrofoam shapes onto it. Then I covered the shapes with wrapping tissue paper, the kind Mont recommends. I sprayed the final form with an almond color from a rattle can then lightly dusted with a sooty color. Sorry for the blurry second image but it’s the only one I could find quickly to share.

 

I can’t believe the photo files are dated May 2011. Was it really that long ago?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shrink wrap

 

I like to use tissue paper like what comes with a new shirt.  I cut it to the dimensions of a tarp, typically 12 x 12.  Lay it or them over the object and tack it in place with Elmer's.  This will not look like shrink wrap nor should it.  When satisfied with the coverage paint it dark gray or grimy black.  

 

Remember, tarps were pretty stiff (heavy) and did not always conform to the shape of the object being covered.

 

Tarps were tied down with ropes, wire or even nailed to the car floor.

 

Mont Switzer 

 


Re: Consumer Warning Labels

Brian Termunde
 

Micro-Trains (N Scale) does this to a degree. See attached - sorry that this particular car is outside our time frame, but it does show what they list.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Thank you for all your great input on this subject!  It added greatly to my knowledge of how diverse all these services were.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:52 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

 

Friends,

 

Though what I noticed was beyond our period, I remember that some WP 50' DD PS-1 (which were delivered within our period) ended their days carrying spent automobile batteries out of West Sacramento on the Sacramento Northern. The cars were marked "Lead Battery Loading Only" or some such wording. The cars were contaminated, much like a cars in hide or fish service, and were probably scrapped soon thereafter. The several cars I saw were 50', which might be odd for such service, but not if the management was trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of cars that were already destined for scrap.

 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

 

 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:46 PM Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Elden:

On the B&M, at least "back in the day", the only examples I know of are (i) the 200 MDT-built reefers of 1923 that carried "BANANA SERVICE ONLY" stencils, and (ii) the 1929-30 ARA quad hoppers that said "FOR EXCLUSIVE USE ON HOME ROADS".  I'm not sure if the latter qualifies as the kind of "dedicated service" that you are curious about.  Its origin, I presume, was the age and condition of the B&M's other coal cars, and the need to move a lot of water-borne bituminous from Boston to the many re-coaling facilities scattered around northern New England.

I don't think either stencil persisted for very long, certainly not much after the war.  I think the some of the reefers might have ended up in dedicated ice service, but that's too far into the future for me.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Alcohol

Tony Thompson
 

Tony, some railroads observe Rule G.  And some observe the exceptions
to the rule. 

 Um, I didn't mean making cocktails during op sessions -- or at the workbench. Just after completing a project! Of course those not consuming alcohol at all will miss the multiple-use feature.

Tony Thompson




Re: MEK...was Consumer Warning Labels

Tim O'Connor
 




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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MEK...was Consumer Warning Labels

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 07:55 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:
Our hardware store had a MEK substitute but I read that it didn’t work on styrene like MEK
Exactly what I found. Presumably the substitute is effective as a paint thinner, but it's pretty useless for welding plastic.

Jack Mullen


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Re: Alcohol

Charles Peck
 


Tony, some railroads observe Rule G.  And some observe the exceptions
to the rule. 
C. Peck

 
I also priced Everclear ethyl alcohol but for only 75%, it was way too
costly.  

Yeah, but you can make cocktails with Everclear. Multiple use!

Tony Thompson




Re: MEK...was Consumer Warning Labels

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 07:55 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:
Our hardware store had a MEK substitute but I read that it didn’t work on styrene like MEK
Exactly what I found. Presumably the substitute is effective as a paint thinner, but it's pretty useless for welding plastic.

Jack Mullen


Re: Alcohol

Tony Thompson
 

Charles Peck wrote:

Stripping paint is my usual use, sometimes just lifting lettering.
As for local stores, Publix supermarket, Walmart, Walgreens, and CVS.
I also priced Everclear ethyl alcohol but for only 75%, it was way too
costly.  

Yeah, but you can make cocktails with Everclear. Multiple use!

Tony Thompson



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