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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Thank you for all your great input on this subject!  It added greatly to my knowledge of how diverse all these services were.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:52 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] "Dedicated" freight car service

 

Friends,

 

Though what I noticed was beyond our period, I remember that some WP 50' DD PS-1 (which were delivered within our period) ended their days carrying spent automobile batteries out of West Sacramento on the Sacramento Northern. The cars were marked "Lead Battery Loading Only" or some such wording. The cars were contaminated, much like a cars in hide or fish service, and were probably scrapped soon thereafter. The several cars I saw were 50', which might be odd for such service, but not if the management was trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of cars that were already destined for scrap.

 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

 

 

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:46 PM Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Elden:

On the B&M, at least "back in the day", the only examples I know of are (i) the 200 MDT-built reefers of 1923 that carried "BANANA SERVICE ONLY" stencils, and (ii) the 1929-30 ARA quad hoppers that said "FOR EXCLUSIVE USE ON HOME ROADS".  I'm not sure if the latter qualifies as the kind of "dedicated service" that you are curious about.  Its origin, I presume, was the age and condition of the B&M's other coal cars, and the need to move a lot of water-borne bituminous from Boston to the many re-coaling facilities scattered around northern New England.

I don't think either stencil persisted for very long, certainly not much after the war.  I think the some of the reefers might have ended up in dedicated ice service, but that's too far into the future for me.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Alcohol

Tony Thompson
 

Tony, some railroads observe Rule G.  And some observe the exceptions
to the rule. 

 Um, I didn't mean making cocktails during op sessions -- or at the workbench. Just after completing a project! Of course those not consuming alcohol at all will miss the multiple-use feature.

Tony Thompson




Re: MEK...was Consumer Warning Labels

Tim O'Connor
 




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From: jack.f.mullen@...
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Sent: 2020-03-09 7:36:47 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MEK...was Consumer Warning Labels

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 07:55 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:
Our hardware store had a MEK substitute but I read that it didn’t work on styrene like MEK
Exactly what I found. Presumably the substitute is effective as a paint thinner, but it's pretty useless for welding plastic.

Jack Mullen


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Alcohol

Charles Peck
 


Tony, some railroads observe Rule G.  And some observe the exceptions
to the rule. 
C. Peck

 
I also priced Everclear ethyl alcohol but for only 75%, it was way too
costly.  

Yeah, but you can make cocktails with Everclear. Multiple use!

Tony Thompson




Re: MEK...was Consumer Warning Labels

Jack Mullen
 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 07:55 AM, Jack Burgess wrote:
Our hardware store had a MEK substitute but I read that it didn’t work on styrene like MEK
Exactly what I found. Presumably the substitute is effective as a paint thinner, but it's pretty useless for welding plastic.

Jack Mullen


Re: Alcohol

Tony Thompson
 

Charles Peck wrote:

Stripping paint is my usual use, sometimes just lifting lettering.
As for local stores, Publix supermarket, Walmart, Walgreens, and CVS.
I also priced Everclear ethyl alcohol but for only 75%, it was way too
costly.  

Yeah, but you can make cocktails with Everclear. Multiple use!

Tony Thompson




Re: Alcohol

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Mar 9, 2020, at 16:13, Jack Mullen <jack.f.mullen@gmail.com> wrote:

Try the paint department at a hardware or home improvement store for isopropol. Demand there doesn't seem to be impacted by the Corona crisis.
Add paint stores and chandleries; it's a fine cleaning sovent. If you think of using it for hand sanitizers, though, it probably doensn't meet US Pharmacopeia standards

"Don't worry, boys, it's just a furry with a syringe on top."
F. Feghoot


Re: Prototype info on labels, was the hijacked thread RE: [RealSTMFC] Consumer Warning Labels

Randy Hammill
 

Well, Branchline put the paint scheme date on the box.


Rapido, True Line, Tangent, Exactrail, and Intermountain (and probably some I’m missing) have various amounts of information on their website and packaging, and we at Prototype Junction have specifically stated that we will put a reweigh date within 6 months of the earliest documented application of a paint scheme.

MTH specifically labels cars that are fantasy schemes.

So I think this is/has been done to various degrees already. 

I can’t speak for other manufacturers, but I’m sure the majority are happy to answer questions when asked.

But if there are things you want us to put on the label at Prototype Junction, let us know. Of course, it will have to wait until we relaunch, but we are happy to provide any information that will make it easier for the modeler you choose which of our models they would like.

I doubt we are unique in that regard, but message received. More information on the labels/website.

Randy


Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Alcohol

Charles Peck
 

Yes, I have in the past bought alcohol at such places.  Can't buy from an empty shelf.
Chuck Peck

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 7:00 PM Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
Walmart, Walgreen, CVS, etc. all sell 70% and 91% isopropanol for under $2 quart.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 9, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

I am out of 90% isopropyl alcohol.  Local stores have none, not even 70%. 
What are you guys using as a substitute?
Chuck Peck


Re: Alcohol

Jack Mullen
 

Try the paint department at a hardware or home improvement store for isopropol.  Demand there doesn't seem to be impacted by the Corona crisis. 

Jack Mullen


Re: Shrink wrap

Mont Switzer
 

I like to use tissue paper like what comes with a new shirt.  I cut it to the dimensions of a tarp, typically 12 x 12.  Lay it or them over the object and tack it in place with Elmer's.  This will not look like shrink wrap nor should it.  When satisfied with the coverage paint it dark gray or grimy black.  

Remember, tarps were pretty stiff (heavy) and did not always conform to the shape of the object being covered.

Tarps were tied down with ropes, wire or even nailed to the car floor.

Mont Switzer 



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-------- Original message --------
From: Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...>
Date: 3/9/20 5:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shrink wrap

Would stretch wrap give the effect you are seeking?

The stuff that movers use is very thin and stretches a lot. Available at Home Depot and most self storage placed.

Allen Cain


Re: Alcohol

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

I was told yesterday by a person at Walgreens that all alcohol is selling fast because of the corona virus scare.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Monday, March 9, 2020, 05:56:25 PM CDT, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:


Stripping paint is my usual use, sometimes just lifting lettering.
As for local stores, Publix supermarket, Walmart, Walgreens, and CVS.
I also priced Everclear ethyl alcohol but for only 75%, it was way too
costly.  
Chuck Peck

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 6:42 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Chuck,

1) Um, it might help if you told us what you are doing with it so we know where this is going... 😉

2) I would assume that when you say "Local stores" you have checked your local big box drug store?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Alcohol
 
I am out of 90% isopropyl alcohol.  Local stores have none, not even 70%. 
What are you guys using as a substitute?
Chuck Peck


Re: Alcohol

Nelson Moyer
 

Walmart, Walgreen, CVS, etc. all sell 70% and 91% isopropanol for under $2 quart.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 9, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

I am out of 90% isopropyl alcohol.  Local stores have none, not even 70%. 
What are you guys using as a substitute?
Chuck Peck


Re: Alcohol

Charles Peck
 

Stripping paint is my usual use, sometimes just lifting lettering.
As for local stores, Publix supermarket, Walmart, Walgreens, and CVS.
I also priced Everclear ethyl alcohol but for only 75%, it was way too
costly.  
Chuck Peck

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 6:42 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Chuck,

1) Um, it might help if you told us what you are doing with it so we know where this is going... 😉

2) I would assume that when you say "Local stores" you have checked your local big box drug store?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Alcohol
 
I am out of 90% isopropyl alcohol.  Local stores have none, not even 70%. 
What are you guys using as a substitute?
Chuck Peck


Re: Shrink wrap

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Mar 9, 2020, at 14:56, Michael Watnoski <freestatesystems1@comcast.net> wrote:

Try wet tissue paper.
Did you perhaps mispronounce "silkspan"? The tissue used for covering balsa model aircraft came to mind when I first saw this thread, and so did that other water-shrunk covering material. My only concern would be with the adhesive, which should dry quickly and be resistant to water while the shrinking is in process.

"Don't worry, boys, it's just a furry with a syringe on top."
F. Feghoot


Re: Alcohol

Bruce Smith
 

Chuck,

1) Um, it might help if you told us what you are doing with it so we know where this is going... 😉

2) I would assume that when you say "Local stores" you have checked your local big box drug store?

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 5:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Alcohol
 
I am out of 90% isopropyl alcohol.  Local stores have none, not even 70%. 
What are you guys using as a substitute?
Chuck Peck


Re: Shrink wrap

Tim O'Connor
 


Traditional is tissue paper (gift wrap) with a light coat of model airplane dope. Or aluminum foil that is painted tarp color




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From: rdkirkham@...
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-09 5:44:21 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shrink wrap

Is it meant to be transparent?  If not, is it meant to be textured in a specific way? 

 

I’m trying to figure out why spray painting it the colour of the wrap is insufficient?

 

Rob 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 2:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Shrink wrap

 

I have a more or less cylindrical styrene item, but with compound curves, that I want to wrap snugly (not like a draped tarp) for use as a flatcar load. I've thought about shrink wrap, but I am concerned about the heat melting the item. Does anyone have any experience with using shrink wrap over a styrene item? Can anyone suggest an alternative?

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

 

 




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Alcohol

Charles Peck
 

I am out of 90% isopropyl alcohol.  Local stores have none, not even 70%. 
What are you guys using as a substitute?
Chuck Peck


Re: B&LE 82000 series box cars

Douglas Harding
 

82001 may be one of the cars Clark is seeking. The cars the MSTL acquired in 1941 were built in 1913 as double sheathed wood cars with fish belly underframes. They are reported to have “Mogul” ends.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Galatowitsch
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:55 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] B&LE 82000 series box cars

 

Clark - Here is info I have for this series:

Numbers 

Inside Length

Width 

Height 

Outside Length

Width 

Height 

Doors Width

Height 

Capacity Cube

LBS (000)

No of Cars

Notes

82001

40'6" 

9'4" 

10'5" 

44'4" 

10'8" 

15'1" 

8' 

9'10" 

4035

110

1

GSC lot 745 3/62 boxcar ex GSC GV-5

82100 - 82103 

60'8" 

9'2" 

11'8" 

68' 

10'8" 

15'6" 

10' 

11'1" 

6440

132

4

ACF lot 11-06374 1/66 boxcar XML7 class 60ft non-Precision design 

82500 - 82529 

50'6" 

9'2" 

10'6" 

55'6" 

9'11" 

14'11" 

14' 

9'9" 

4873

154

1?

EJ&E ?/66? boxcar ex EJ&E

82550 - 82569 

50'6" 

9' 

10'6" 

55'6" 

9'11" 

14'11" 

14' 

9'9" 

--- 

154

20

? /? boxcar

82650 - 82651

50'6" 

9' 

10'6" 

55'6" 

9'11" 

14'11" 

14' 

9'9" 

--- 

154

2

 


BLE 82554
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1179676

BLE 82508
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2421538

Mark Galatowitsch
Saint Paul, MN


Re: Tank Car CLCX 206 1926 +/-

Robert Heninger
 

Hudson, 

The sugar beet refinery was in East Grand Forks, Minnesota. The NP didn’t have much of a presence in Grand Forks, ND.

Regards, 
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND.

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