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Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Dave Lotz
 

If anyone is interested, Q Connection has the remaining RP CYC 12's in stock for $12.95 plus shipping. 
See www.QConnection.biz and click on Books & Pubs.

Dave Lotz


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Mont Switzer
 

Bob,

 

We might want to chat off list about C.I.L. 1471 that appears in the photo.  mswitzer@....

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:31 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

 

Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/

Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar.

After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars."

Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo?

How many cars did the CB&Q modify?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Claus,
    Many thanks for the info and the off list scans. 
       Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Scott
 

Not to high jack this thread but the NYC had a very similar car to this one for B-29 production as well.  If you have Amazon Prime Video search "B29 Bomber Films" and a short movie will pop up with that name.  It has some excellent views of the car including the end door which has eluded many researchers.

Scott McDonald 


Re: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Harry M Haythorn
 

As far as I Know it is still there. I will check the next time I go to Scottsbluff. There are also 2 in the eastern part of the state. Ravenna, maybe but I can't remember for sure. 

Harry Marshall Haythorn 
UPHS #4043



On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 8:35 PM, Andy Carlson
<midcentury@...> wrote:
Maybe it is still there--20 years ago I was in Scotts Bluff NE. and adjacent to a small rail yard, a grain mill had an on-site storage structure which was a surviving CB&Q extended height box car still in Q paint. I seem to remember that it had evidence of being active into the 60's but I failed to take any pictures.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:02:47 PM PDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

mel perry
 

bud:
OOPS
mrr should read 11/97
:-(
mel


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:41 PM mel perry via Groups.Io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
bud:
only drawng listed was in 2/91 rmc, mm
had a couple of articles in 11/86 & 5/02,
and rmc also had an article in 11/03,
rmj in 8/03, and mrr 11/87 & 12/87

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:16 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Hello, 
    Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps?
       Thanks in advance,
        Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

mel perry
 

bud:
only drawng listed was in 2/91 rmc, mm
had a couple of articles in 11/86 & 5/02,
and rmc also had an article in 11/03,
rmj in 8/03, and mrr 11/87 & 12/87

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:16 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Hello, 
    Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps?
       Thanks in advance,
        Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Larry, Bud, and List Members,
 
How about having a look at “The Mather Boxcar Draft Horse of American Boxcars” in RMC Feb 1991 pg 85 by Martin Lofton. Has photos and drawings.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: lrkdbn via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
 
There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987.

Hope this helps
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Bob Webber
 

In the fwiw column, the Pullman library has haskell and barker drawings for Mather stock, auto, refrigerator, vegetable, and beef cars.   I didn't see one for straight box, but it may well be there.  

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On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:05 PM, "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <aol.com@groups.io target=_blank>lrkdbn=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987.

Hope this helps
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

lrkdbn
 

There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987.

Hope this helps
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Douglas Harding
 

If you read the caption of the photo posted, you will learn it was built from a Sunshine kit.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Riverboy via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 2:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

 

Is this a scratchbuilt model, or a resin kit, or something else? It looks great!

 

Tod C Dwyer

 

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 03:30:39 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/

Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar.

After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars."

Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo?

How many cars did the CB&Q modify?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Andy Carlson
 

Maybe it is still there--20 years ago I was in Scotts Bluff NE. and adjacent to a small rail yard, a grain mill had an on-site storage structure which was a surviving CB&Q extended height box car still in Q paint. I seem to remember that it had evidence of being active into the 60's but I failed to take any pictures.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:02:47 PM PDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello, 
    Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps?
       Thanks in advance,
        Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Nelson Moyer
 

The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: AHM roof

Jack Mullen
 

The AHM roof does resemble a the flat-panel version of SRECO's steel roof.  But the seam caps should extend to the edge of the roof.  

Jack Mullen


Re: RPM updates

mel perry
 



On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:24 PM Mel Perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
not to rain on anyoes parade, but consider what the chinese had to do,
one they figured out what they were
dealing with, quarentined a city.of
millions, quarentined half a province,
daily mandatory randon screening,
and  by some trump miracle, all if this
is not going to transpire, according to
the exalted one, this is going to get lot
worse, before long, we don't even have
enough test kits for the actual sick,
this is not going to disappear overnight
or in weeks, don't be surprised when
it does get worse, and definitely don't
make any plans for this year, mandatory
quatentine is just around the corner
mel perry

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:11 PM Dave Owens <daowens@...> wrote:
In response to Tim's question,
NERPM is still on for now.
We are carefully following developments and will of course follow the
advice of health and government officials.
Our meet is at the end of May and the situation may change.
You can get the latest updates on our facebook page and our website:
www.nerpm.org
www.facebook.com/NERPM

Dave Owens
NERPM organizer
West Hartford, Conn.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>
> What about nerpm?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: eric@...
> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
> Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates
>
> A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled.
>
> Eric Hansmann
> Murfreesboro, TN
>
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:
>
> In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.
>
> George Irwin
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tim O'Connor
> Sterling, Massachusetts
>




Re: RPM updates

mel perry
 

not to rain on anyoes parade, but consider what the chinese had to do,
one they figured out what they were
dealing with, quarentined a city.of
millions, quarentined half a province,
daily mandatory randon screening,
and  by some trump miracle, all if this
is not going to transpire, according to
the exalted one, this is going to get lot
worse, before long, we don't even have
enough test kits for the actual sick,
this is not going to disappear overnight
or in weeks, don't be surprised when
it does get worse, and definitely don't
make any plans for this year, mandatory
quatentine is just around the corner
mel perry

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:11 PM Dave Owens <daowens@...> wrote:
In response to Tim's question,
NERPM is still on for now.
We are carefully following developments and will of course follow the
advice of health and government officials.
Our meet is at the end of May and the situation may change.
You can get the latest updates on our facebook page and our website:
www.nerpm.org
www.facebook.com/NERPM

Dave Owens
NERPM organizer
West Hartford, Conn.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>
> What about nerpm?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: eric@...
> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
> Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates
>
> A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled.
>
> Eric Hansmann
> Murfreesboro, TN
>
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:
>
> In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.
>
> George Irwin
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tim O'Connor
> Sterling, Massachusetts
>




Re: RPM updates

Eric Hansmann
 

NERPM is still a go.

I just saw a Facebook post announcing the Western Prototype Modelers meet has been postponed.

I've been updated the RPM event calendar as these details are announced.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On March 15, 2020 at 5:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


What about nerpm?




-----Original Message-----

From: eric@...
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates

A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin < groups@...> wrote:

In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.

George Irwin



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


Re: RPM updates

Dave Owens
 

In response to Tim's question,
NERPM is still on for now.
We are carefully following developments and will of course follow the
advice of health and government officials.
Our meet is at the end of May and the situation may change.
You can get the latest updates on our facebook page and our website:
www.nerpm.org
www.facebook.com/NERPM

Dave Owens
NERPM organizer
West Hartford, Conn.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


What about nerpm?




-----Original Message-----

From: eric@hansmanns.org
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates

A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@irwinsjournal.com> wrote:

In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.

George Irwin




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


AHM roof

Andy Carlson
 

To me that looks like an early Stanray steel roof before the raised panels. I had a need for a few of those 20+ years ago and I believe I used a Train Miniature donor. Look at the seam caps--look like a Murphy raised panel roof seam.
-Andy Carlson

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 4:17:39 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Clark I think there were some flat panel steel roofs with seam caps like that. CP or CN perhaps?



-----Original Message-----

From: cepropst@q.com
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 12:36:38 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AHM roof

I over paid ($4) for an AHM 40', DS, DD box car thinking I needed it for a upcoming project. That project didn't materialize as I envisioned. What to do with the model? I took it out of the box and gave it a good look-see. The roof looked like something I'd seen before, so I cut it off. Is this roof usable? If so, what box cars had it?

All comments are appreciated...Well, all favorable comments anyway...
CW Propst

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