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Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:36 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:
I’m sure boxcar loads of  bagged cement were shipped well into the 1960’s.  Most lumber years carried bagged cement back then, like the big box stores with lumber yards do now. 
One of the Mason City Ia. plants shipped bagged cement to their satellite facility in the Twin Cities by box car till the UP screwed everything up after they took over the CNW. Bags went out on flat beds all the time.
Here, hoppers stayed on home rails even with 5 RRs in town. Box cars were pool. Into the 60s cars from any road were loaded. In the mid/late 60s ? the CNW provided a fleet of cars
CW Propst


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Aley, Jeff A
 

Thanks Bill!  It looks great.  As a UP modeler, I’m sure I can think of uses for a yellow primer (e.g. UP stock cars).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 3:53 AM
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:42 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Hi Bill, How many coats of primer is on the model?

Thanks,

-Jeff

 

Jeff: Several thin coats. I was also priming another roof and the Klasing Brake Wheel for the model during the same session. This is an Acrylic so it drys pretty quickly so with thin coats I could get coverage I wanted in one AB session.

I forgot to say that I sprayed with my Badger 155 Anthem AB w/.75mm needle/nozzle combo at 20 PSI. My modeling friend and list member George Toman put me onto the Neutral Yellow primer. he used it before painting with a Box Car Red and said he like the look of the BCR over the yellow. I plan to do this too on my WABASH war emergency build.

Bill Welch


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

C&O 9500 9500-9999 XM empty "3-16-48"     
C&O 9948 9500-9999 XM lumber      "2-1-49"                             
C&O 9948 9500-9999 XM lumber     "2-5-49"                             

Above are three of those cars from the Landmesser list Gene Green transcribed. The entire list was a 'give away' at Naperville around 2000 I believe?
CW Propst


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

C&O 9500-9500 were very short. The height over the running board was 13' 3 9/16", which is a pretty picky measurement, but that's what is on the GA drawing in Shaver's book. My 1959 ORER gives the IH as 8' 6", but the side doors only cleared a fraction over 8'

These cars were fitted with Evans auto loaders when new. During WWII the loaders were removed, though some may have been briefly restored after the war. Some of these cars went into auto parts service, but most were in general service. By 1959 there were still 425 cars left, all classed as XM. Some of these cars remained as late as the 1980s in MW service, since their twin side doors and the end doors made them useful in outfit trains. I think I have a negative awaiting scanning of one of the last taken at Charlottesville around 1986.

Attached is a photo of one such car on the Nelson & Albemarle in 1951 at Esmont, Virginia. The car was either carrying soapstone products of some sort, or is an empty. Other than pulpwood, soapstone was about all the N&A generated (the train is outbound to their C&O connection at Warren). The occasion was the recent delivery of N&A 1, a GE 44-tonner. Photographer Charles Arnold was engaged to take a series of views of the new diesel in action. The photo is from my personal collection.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Illinois Central #11346 w/extras

Bob Chaparro
 

Very nice detailing of this car.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar (Cement)

Bob Chaparro
 

In the San Jacinto Valley, CA, the arrival of the railroad in 1888 facilitated the inbound movement of construction materials for the Hemet Dam, located above Hemet in Garner Valley. The dam was constructed between 1891 and 1895. Cement for the dam came from Belgium and was shipped in 400-pound barrels around Cape Horn to San Diego, then by rail to San Jacinto. Over 20,000 barrels were used for the dam.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Mont Switzer
 

Clark and all,

 

The Lehigh Portland Cement plant in Mitchell, IN was on the B&O.  the Monon interchanged with the B&O at Mitchell and both railroads  provided covered hoppers to the plant for bulk loading.  I suspect the same was true for boxcars for bagged cement loading.

 

The B&O served another cement plant in southern Indiana indirectly.  The plant was at Speed, IN, on the PRR.  The plant owned/operated the Southern Indiana Railroad which switched the plant and  had trackage over a former electric line to Watson, IN so they could interchange with the B&O.  I always saw both B&O, PRR and other boxcars for bagged cement loading and B&O and PRR covered hoppers for bulk loading at the plant in Speed.

 

Where I’m going with all of this is in the 1950’s I would see B&O sidings in southern Indiana full of M-26 class low interior height boxcars just waiting for warm weather.  They were perfect for cement and gain loading in the area.  Most showed reweigh and repack stencils from the B&O shops in Washington, IN.

 

I’m sure boxcar loads of  bagged cement were shipped well into the 1960’s.  Most lumber years carried bagged cement back then, like the big box stores with lumber yards do now. 

 

FYI, I still weather my cement hoppers with real cement.  I use the fine cement the big box stores sell for setting lag bolts in foundations. 

 

Mont      

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:50 AM
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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:

I know early cement loads shipped by truck consisted of bags stacked on flat bed trailers.  I just figured rail shipments were bags stacked in boxcars. 

 What were the barrels made of?

 Mont 

They were before my time Mont. Bet you could Google them? They have to go back a ways. I do have a photo of cloth sacks on a packing machine, don't know if it's dated? I have photos of paper sacks being filled at the packing machine, being 'trucked' into a box car, braced in a box car, or later (60s) coming off a palletizing machine.  Also first experiments with shipping sacks on flat beds. In Iowa trucks were not allowed to haul out of cement plants until 1960. 
There's a Lehigh plant in Mitchel Ind. The Lehigh plant here used Mitchel transport co. to haul their products. Have to think there's a connection.
CW Propst


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Jim Betz
 

  Has anyone tried using any of the craft acrylics in their air brush?  There
are many selections of color.  Be careful to not "go cheaper" - for most of
them there is a direct relationship between the amount of pigment in the
bottle and the cost and usually (especially for airbrushing?) more pigment
is better since you are thinning it out so much.
  I use craft acrylics for weathering washes all the time but haven't tried
shooting it.
  The bottle above looks exactly like the craft paints I buy at Michael''s or
other such places.  Suck it up - just because you are the only man in 
the store doesn't mean you have to wear time of the month protection 
to go in.
                                                                                 - Jim


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

william darnaby
 

I seem to remember that there was a height issue as in too short.  I built one of these years ago and it just looked too short to me.  I must have compared it to published drawings and concluded that was so because I ended up selling the completed car on Ebay.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

 

I also built one of these C&O cars several years ago.

https://i0.wp.com/designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150805_candoxm.jpg

 

I finished it up in 2015, snapped a few photos, then shipped it off to a friend’s layout.

 

Wasn’t there a height issue with these models?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

 

Rich and all,

 

Attached are a couple of photos of the F&C built car sitting in Northumberland yard.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

rdgbuff56
 

Clark,
How do I find out if ends are available?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

On Tuesday, March 17, 2020, 10:18:00 AM EDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors. Also used his 3 panel doors on M&StL auto cars. Talked to Kieth about his castings at CCB. Sounded like he can still produce them. I think his are better looking than the IM model myself.
CW Propst


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Mont Switzer
 

A few years ago I painted John Deere, Caterpillar and International Harvester HO scale models. Maybe the way I did it was cheating, but it worked. 

 

In all 3 cases I went to those respective equipment dealers and purchased aerosol cans of their touch up paint.  I then sprayed each one into a new paint bottle the size that fits my airbrush.  The paint was usually a little thick so I added lacquer thinner to get the right consistency to use in my air brush, a Pasche VL. 

 

Sometime in the early 1970’s CAT took the lead out of their paint resulting in a more golden hue.  No problem.  CAT had touchup paint for before and after.

 

Tractor guys are pretty resinous about their restorations.

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gtws00 via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:32 AM
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I was looking to paint a  Harvester/Combine model a bright shade of red that I custom mixed and a Cat D7 yellow as well. I could not get the red to look the way I wanted and tried an experiment using yellow, white and gray Badger Primer that I sprayed on a small styrene sheet. Attached are two photos showing the difference of covering the sheet with my red. I picked the neutral yellow for my base and have been now using it under my Boxcar Reds as well. I have been very pleased with the results so far. I have attached a photo of a brown I mixed and applied over the neutral yellow for my IC Mini-Kit as well.
Badger usually sells this primer at the Collinsville RPM a discounted price and comes in 12 colors.

George Toman
Willow Springs, IL

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Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:

I know early cement loads shipped by truck consisted of bags stacked on flat bed trailers.  I just figured rail shipments were bags stacked in boxcars. 

 What were the barrels made of?

 Mont 

They were before my time Mont. Bet you could Google them? They have to go back a ways. I do have a photo of cloth sacks on a packing machine, don't know if it's dated? I have photos of paper sacks being filled at the packing machine, being 'trucked' into a box car, braced in a box car, or later (60s) coming off a palletizing machine.  Also first experiments with shipping sacks on flat beds. In Iowa trucks were not allowed to haul out of cement plants until 1960. 
There's a Lehigh plant in Mitchel Ind. The Lehigh plant here used Mitchel transport co. to haul their products. Have to think there's a connection.
CW Propst


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Paul Bizier
 

Clark:

Do you have contact info for Keith?  Or can you act as go between?

I also had a reservation with Caboose...no joy...

Thanks,
Paul Bizier


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

gtws00
 

Looking good Clark! Like the black doors, ends and roof
Nicely done.
George Toman


Re: Priming w/Yellow

gtws00
 

I was looking to paint a  Harvester/Combine model a bright shade of red that I custom mixed and a Cat D7 yellow as well. I could not get the red to look the way I wanted and tried an experiment using yellow, white and gray Badger Primer that I sprayed on a small styrene sheet. Attached are two photos showing the difference of covering the sheet with my red. I picked the neutral yellow for my base and have been now using it under my Boxcar Reds as well. I have been very pleased with the results so far. I have attached a photo of a brown I mixed and applied over the neutral yellow for my IC Mini-Kit as well.
Badger usually sells this primer at the Collinsville RPM a discounted price and comes in 12 colors.

George Toman
Willow Springs, IL


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Mont Switzer
 

Clark,

 

I had never heard of shipping cement in barrels.    

 

I know early cement loads shipped by truck consisted of bags stacked on flat bed trailers.  I just figured rail shipments were bags stacked in boxcars. 

 

What were the barrels made of?

 

Mont 

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

 

Cement was shipped in barrels for years. Many company's logos were round to fit the top of a barrel. Cement was still being sold by the barrel into the 60s. Maybe the 70s? Four sacks of regular Portland cement equal a barrel. Works out to 94 lbs per sack nowadays.
CW Propst 


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

Cement was shipped in barrels for years. Many company's logos were round to fit the top of a barrel. Cement was still being sold by the barrel into the 60s. Maybe the 70s? Four sacks of regular Portland cement equal a barrel. Works out to 94 lbs per sack nowadays.
CW Propst 


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Clark Propst
 

I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors. Also used his 3 panel doors on M&StL auto cars. Talked to Kieth about his castings at CCB. Sounded like he can still produce them. I think his are better looking than the IM model myself.
CW Propst


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

William Hirt
 

The track is still inside the Martin Bomber Building. I used to go regularly to Global Weather Central (or Center depending on the commander at the time) to coordinate backup activities. One day we had a fire alarm while I was there and I went with our hosts out to north side of the building. I had some time to look around because of that. The inside tracks and loading dock was still there. My grandfather worked there building bombers in World War II.

Bil Hirt

On 3/16/2020 7:47 PM, John Larkin via Groups.Io wrote:
Jim,

Thanks for the info.  I've been trying to figure out where the tracks ran in and it appears to be from the northwest side of the base, just looking at the connecting railroad configuration and how it could have run into or next to (looks like something was there) the buildings.  There is also a very short section of track left in place off the CB&Q line on the southeast side of the base, and what may be (from Google) a connection at the other end to the former MP that also served the buildings on the north.

Our building is the oldest on base, and it includes a 3' thick brick wall inside.  Evidently it had been a stable, a blacksmith shop and, according to an unofficial source, a train depot though I'm not sure where or how the track connection could have been made.  No B-29s there any more though there are a couple of B-52s at the main entrance and a B-17 inside the base on the south side.

Lot of history on that base, I'm just trying to get a handle on the railroad side of it.  I only got stuck with Officer of the Day duty a couple of times, but overseas not there. 

John Larkin




Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Benjamin Scanlon
 


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