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Re: Photos of B&O M-8 box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Eric,

 

I’ve been gathering photos and details on these cars. The M-8 class is largely forgotten, even though the cars dominated the fleet for several years. I’ll be in touch off-list.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos of B&O M-8 box cars

 

Good Morning Fellow Shut-ins...

I am working on an overall history of the 21,000 class M-8 box cars built for the B&O, B&OSW, and P&W.  The majority were built by Pullman as documented by Eric Neubauer. They were in service from 7-1896 to 1929 with original wood underframe. About 12,400 were rebuilt to steel center sills, M-8B, -8C, or underframe, M-8A, as well as US Safety Appliance Standards over 1912-1921. The last of these, #185901, M-8C, is listed in the 1-1940 B&O Summary of Equipment. These rebuilds  were accomplished by the B&O and several commercial builders.

It would be very helpful to me if some of you might share some photo scans and or point me to sources for same. Equipment diagrams indicate "iron roof". What did that look like? An additional 60 of M-8 dimensions were built as B&OSW 17700-17759 with double side doors over door openings of 10-0 and 10-8. What did these look like? They were renumbered to B&O 93000-93059 and rebuilt to steel center sills etc. as B&O 190600-190651. Some were also rebuilt to M-8B.

Advance thanks for any help you can share with me,

Eric Lombard
At home in Homewood, IL


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

For your reference . . . 

On March 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:

Clark Propst writes:
I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors....


A bit later, Sunshine issued the car as a kit, an enticing prototype to lighten my billfold at Naperville. No five-year wait, and the modeling opportunity -- priceless.    :)       I did the transition era paint/lettering scheme -- the as-delivered black was pretty much gone by then. And yes, it has avoided weathering shop so far....

Regards,
Bob Chapman



 


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Clark Propst
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:03 AM, Bob Chapman wrote:
No five-year wait, and the modeling opportunity -- priceless.    :)  
Nice model Bob.
Caboose Stop Hobbies in Cedar Falls Ia. had one or two of the kits from a collection for $25 for a couple years! I didn't see them last time we were there...Although there was so much other stuff stacked in front of where they were it's hard to tell? Guess I shouldn't have passed on them?
CW Propst


Re: T & P 40915

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Any surmise what the G written on the negative, on the building, is all about?

Neat photo.


Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hudson Leighton
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 1:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] T & P 40915

 

T & P 40915 circa 1926 possibly Puyallup, WA.


Re: Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Charles Peck
 

The car appears to me to be missing a knuckle on the left end.  This suggests  the car may be in stationary service. 
Chuck Peck

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/27073486079/in/album-72157689269937726/

Caption: "The Baltimore & Ohio kept company-service tank cars at some of its engine facilities, presumably for fuel storage. Photos exist showing cars that appear to be of later vintage, but this example at Glenwood Yard near Pittsburgh looks to be of a prewar design. With its stirrup steps mounted away from the corners and transverse brake wheel, this care has features consistent with UTLX tank cars from the 1930’s."

I assume the presence of single vertical rivet rows along the body indicates this tank car was built early in the 1900s.

So what do we have here?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Dennis Storzek
 

Similar to this car at the Mid-Continent Railway Museum:

https://www.midcontinent.org/equipment-roster/steel-freight-cars/utlx-12283/

I wouldn't be surprised if the B&O purchased their tankcars second hand.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

Subterfuge helped also; once sealed that carload of beer didn't look any different than a carload of anvils. Which is one of the reasons that all the gaudy brewery paint schemes disappeared from brewery owned cars early. Any value of advertising was more than offset by the increased pilferage that came with making the cars marked targets.

    Yet in the late 1950s, several brewers, including Miller and Pearl Beer, put their logos onto insulated box cars. (photos in the Hendrickson-Kaminski billboard reefer book) Maybe they began to value advertising again.


Tony Thompson




Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Bob Chapman
 

Clark Propst writes:
I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors....


A bit later, Sunshine issued the car as a kit, an enticing prototype to lighten my billfold at Naperville. No five-year wait, and the modeling opportunity -- priceless.    :)       I did the transition era paint/lettering scheme -- the as-delivered black was pretty much gone by then. And yes, it has avoided weathering shop so far....

Regards,
Bob Chapman



T & P 40915

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

T & P 40915 circa 1926 possibly Puyallup, WA.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

Although it does not have the characteristic UTLX defect card holders, the rest of the car looks to be a intended as a UTLX “Type X”, of pre-WW1 vintage, probably 1911+ or – 3.  Give-aways include: side of dome “elbow” safety vents, 5 course radial tank, indented steps, riveted built-up deep center sill, and transverse brake stand/wheel with associated rigging.

 

Hope that helps,

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

 

Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

A Doug Lilly photo:

Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/27073486079/in/album-72157689269937726/

Caption: "The Baltimore & Ohio kept company-service tank cars at some of its engine facilities, presumably for fuel storage. Photos exist showing cars that appear to be of later vintage, but this example at Glenwood Yard near Pittsburgh looks to be of a prewar design. With its stirrup steps mounted away from the corners and transverse brake wheel, this care has features consistent with UTLX tank cars from the 1930’s."

I assume the presence of single vertical rivet rows along the body indicates this tank car was built early in the 1900s.

So what do we have here?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Chuck Cover
 

I just measured my F&C model #6770 and it is the correct height as compared to the prototype schematic in the Freight Car Equipment of the C&O Railway, August 1, 1937.  They were built in 1930 and ran through the 60s.  I reason that I bought the kit was because they are a bit shorter in height than most automobile boxcars and give the consist and different look.  We don’t want all 10’4” 40’ auto boxcars do we?

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Richard Townsend
 

I may be mistaken, but as I recall, at the time of the changeover the new owners said old orders would be honored. I'm sure that was well-intentioned, but I never really thought that would happen. I don't hold it against them and I go to Caboose whenever I get to Denver. I had covered my bets later by ordering through my "local" (90 miles away) hobby shop (the Whistle Stop in Portland) and they called me yesterday to say my order had come in. It's all good.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Wolohon <larrywolohon@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

I rather doubt that you would hear from the new Caboose as the ownership is all new & all the personal there are all new. Larry Wolohon

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From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: March 14, 2020 at 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

I wonder if I will hear from Caboose Hobbies. I put an order in before they closed down on Broadway.


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Clark Propst
 

That model was built 20/25 yrs ago? I remember an article in MainLine Modeler? where a guy modeled a bunch of C&O cars. I believe that's how I contacted Keith at the time. About that time Keith got ahold of a freight car photo collection. Then he died! We come out of the grave for CCB this past January. I'm sure someone has his new contact info? I don't.
CW Propst 


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Ken Adams
 
Edited

When I can get hold of some (on CV-19 lockdown at moment) I will try it out in my PreVal sprayer. 

Hmmm Tamiya has a Pink Surface Primer......I use the Red Oxide and Light grey regularly and have a can of white as well available
--
Ken Adams


Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/27073486079/in/album-72157689269937726/

Caption: "The Baltimore & Ohio kept company-service tank cars at some of its engine facilities, presumably for fuel storage. Photos exist showing cars that appear to be of later vintage, but this example at Glenwood Yard near Pittsburgh looks to be of a prewar design. With its stirrup steps mounted away from the corners and transverse brake wheel, this care has features consistent with UTLX tank cars from the 1930’s."

I assume the presence of single vertical rivet rows along the body indicates this tank car was built early in the 1900s.

So what do we have here?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:36 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:
I’m sure boxcar loads of  bagged cement were shipped well into the 1960’s.  Most lumber years carried bagged cement back then, like the big box stores with lumber yards do now. 
One of the Mason City Ia. plants shipped bagged cement to their satellite facility in the Twin Cities by box car till the UP screwed everything up after they took over the CNW. Bags went out on flat beds all the time.
Here, hoppers stayed on home rails even with 5 RRs in town. Box cars were pool. Into the 60s cars from any road were loaded. In the mid/late 60s ? the CNW provided a fleet of cars
CW Propst


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Aley, Jeff A
 

Thanks Bill!  It looks great.  As a UP modeler, I’m sure I can think of uses for a yellow primer (e.g. UP stock cars).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 3:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Priming w/Yellow

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:42 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Hi Bill, How many coats of primer is on the model?

Thanks,

-Jeff

 

Jeff: Several thin coats. I was also priming another roof and the Klasing Brake Wheel for the model during the same session. This is an Acrylic so it drys pretty quickly so with thin coats I could get coverage I wanted in one AB session.

I forgot to say that I sprayed with my Badger 155 Anthem AB w/.75mm needle/nozzle combo at 20 PSI. My modeling friend and list member George Toman put me onto the Neutral Yellow primer. he used it before painting with a Box Car Red and said he like the look of the BCR over the yellow. I plan to do this too on my WABASH war emergency build.

Bill Welch


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

C&O 9500 9500-9999 XM empty "3-16-48"     
C&O 9948 9500-9999 XM lumber      "2-1-49"                             
C&O 9948 9500-9999 XM lumber     "2-5-49"                             

Above are three of those cars from the Landmesser list Gene Green transcribed. The entire list was a 'give away' at Naperville around 2000 I believe?
CW Propst


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

C&O 9500-9500 were very short. The height over the running board was 13' 3 9/16", which is a pretty picky measurement, but that's what is on the GA drawing in Shaver's book. My 1959 ORER gives the IH as 8' 6", but the side doors only cleared a fraction over 8'

These cars were fitted with Evans auto loaders when new. During WWII the loaders were removed, though some may have been briefly restored after the war. Some of these cars went into auto parts service, but most were in general service. By 1959 there were still 425 cars left, all classed as XM. Some of these cars remained as late as the 1980s in MW service, since their twin side doors and the end doors made them useful in outfit trains. I think I have a negative awaiting scanning of one of the last taken at Charlottesville around 1986.

Attached is a photo of one such car on the Nelson & Albemarle in 1951 at Esmont, Virginia. The car was either carrying soapstone products of some sort, or is an empty. Other than pulpwood, soapstone was about all the N&A generated (the train is outbound to their C&O connection at Warren). The occasion was the recent delivery of N&A 1, a GE 44-tonner. Photographer Charles Arnold was engaged to take a series of views of the new diesel in action. The photo is from my personal collection.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Illinois Central #11346 w/extras

Bob Chaparro
 

Very nice detailing of this car.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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