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Re: Bob's Photos

Bill Welch
 

Just spoke to Bob and ask him to look for photos for two groups on Maine Central gondolas, two groups of Central Vermont SS boxcars and two groups of Grand Truck Western SS boxcars. He appreciates our business.

Bill Welch


Re: Westerfield NB box car

Gary Roe
 

Clark,

If you saw a Hannibal Connecting car on your branch line, it would most likely be loaded with bagged cement.

gary roe
quincy, illinois
(just 20 miles north of Hannibal)


On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 1:37:06 PM CDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I won a Westerfield NB box car as a door prize at CCB. Started on the kit this morning. Beautiful one piece body model BTW. Chances of seeing one of these cars around here are slim to none.There's plenty of info on NYC cars in the history sheets supplied. Don't know just how close this model is to them, but I'm guess it's the same.  I model 48-50 so I'm guessing  the NYC roofs were replaced? The Hannibal Connecting had the same cars as the NB. 'Might' be a better chance of seeing one of those here? Can I do a NYC car with a flat panel roof and three panel door?
Thanks, 
CW Propst


Re: To quote Robert Duvall from "Apocalypse Now," . . .

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Very nice, Bill.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 1:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] To quote Robert Duvall from "Apocalypse Now," . . .

 

. . . "I love the smell of Microscale's Micro Sole and Micro Set in the morning." For example here is my kit-bashed Missouri-Kansas-Texas Company Shops 1943-built War Emergency boxcar. It was primed with Badger;s Stynylrez Neutral Yellow Primer and then painted with Badger's M-K-T Yellow. Decals are from Speedwitch Media. I am very happy with the way this has turned out. I am especially digging the klassic klassy "Klasing" handbrake gear and brake wheel.

Bill Welch


Westerfield NB box car

Clark Propst
 

I won a Westerfield NB box car as a door prize at CCB. Started on the kit this morning. Beautiful one piece body model BTW. Chances of seeing one of these cars around here are slim to none.There's plenty of info on NYC cars in the history sheets supplied. Don't know just how close this model is to them, but I'm guess it's the same.  I model 48-50 so I'm guessing  the NYC roofs were replaced? The Hannibal Connecting had the same cars as the NB. 'Might' be a better chance of seeing one of those here? Can I do a NYC car with a flat panel roof and three panel door?
Thanks, 
CW Propst


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I would hope that he will produce the decals in such a way as to cover many variations over time.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven D Johnson
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

 

Allen,

 

Is he planning on producing these decals only for the refurbished and renumbered version (500 series) ca. 1958+?

 

I have several photos of the 7900s and later 500 series cars that I can send to him.

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

 

John Hagen has taken on the project of producing Tennessee Central Boxcar decals in HO scale.  It will take him several months to get to this project as he has a backlog of work.

 

I have sent him all of the photos that I could find of these cars but I am sure that he would welcome more and if you also express interest maybe they will get bumped up on his schedule. 

 

Here is what he said regarding costs:

 

"I am thinking I can get 4 per sheet with both the 50’s and 37 lettering. If so you’d be looking at $5.50/set or $20.00/4 sets" 

 

His email is:

 

 

Allen Cain


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

StephenK
 

It is interesting to note that the "S" on the Protocraft Decal set  (as well as the prototype!)   seems to be upside down.

Steve Kay


To quote Robert Duvall from "Apocalypse Now," . . .

Bill Welch
 

. . . "I love the smell of Microscale's Micro Sole and Micro Set in the morning." For example here is my kit-bashed Missouri-Kansas-Texas Company Shops 1943-built War Emergency boxcar. It was primed with Badger;s Stynylrez Neutral Yellow Primer and then painted with Badger's M-K-T Yellow. Decals are from Speedwitch Media. I am very happy with the way this has turned out. I am especially digging the klassic klassy "Klasing" handbrake gear and brake wheel.

Bill Welch


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Bob Webber
 

In the FWIW department,
   The Pullman Library has a Pullman drawing of Lot 5655 series 7900-7955 TC Box cars stencil drawings.

   That includes the side, end, bolster, cylinder & interior lettering.  There may be a Lettering drawing as well. 

Bob Webber
Curator, Pullman Library


Re: PRR F34 flat

Bruce Smith
 

Dave,

Looking at the very same resources that you say are not helpful, here's what I have figured out...

1) Brake cylinder - one brake cylinder is mounted to each span bolster so that when looking at the car side-on, the cylinder shows on the left span bolster. If you look at the photo of 470202 from the Hagley, you can see it sticking out behind the left wheel of the right truck of the left bolster, pointed at the end of the car. Above that, you can see what looks an air tank of some sort? maybe?  I can't see any evidence of this in any other sources. Note that, as I said, the cylinder appears lower than Chuck's mount because its centerline is below that of the wheels and the bottom of the span bolster. That makes sense, since there was undoubtedly brake rigging under the span bolster, as you can see by the rodding under the bolster in the photo of 470202

2) Between the trucks on the right hand span bolster you can see the AB brake valve. That appears to be affixed to the body of the car. You can, in part tell that by looking at my TKM article about the decks. Looking at the deck pattern, you can see that, as you stand at the end of the car, the pattern of tie-down holes is interrupted on both the end deck panel and one panel in on the left side by bolts or rivets. The two bolts/rivets on the second panel in are, I presume, are the location of the mounts for the AB valve. 

3) The 4 bolts on the end deck panels are for the two air tanks, as shown in the F&C instructions, with the shorter tank outboard of the longer tank.

4) The retainer is on the side of the car at the right end.

5) Both sides are identical.

For more resources, here's an old brass Westside car posted by John Sethian
I have no idea what is going on with what looks like a K brake reservoir on the body... that should be an AB valve, but the rest of it seems to follow my surmises... including brake rigging under the span bolsters!

Regards,
Bruce 
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 11:59 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR F34 flat
 
Bruce
           Thank you for your response. I have referenced the TKM articles. Unfortunately they do not show any of the duel brake arrangements. F&C is very vague on their instructions. I referenced my 1940 car builder cyclopedia as well with no luck. I'm not going to super detail the underside as it is not visible. However some of the brake detail is visible in some photos, but not clear enough to see how they are arranged. I have no idea how to arrange the brake components parts onto the span bolsters? There are no indications on them to show as to were the parts mite go. F&C just states install them when you get to this point. You mentioned the PRRT&HS flat car book do you know if the book provides any kind of brake arrangement for the cars? If I knew the book listed them I would look for a copy as I don't currently own one. I believe the society has sold them out.

          On another note I did find out that the D&H version of this car that I posted a question on a while back is the same car as a NYC car. They showed up in my 1953 car builders cyclopedia. Both were built 1951.

Good Day
Dave

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 1:50 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Dave,

Some resources:
TKM 104 - http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm  this is an article by Chuck Cover kit bashing the Bachmann car, but it will show you gross brake locations. 

TKM 108 - My article on etched decks. Not much about brakes here, but if you look at the deck drawings, you can see the mounting bolts for what I believe is the AB valve.

The PRRT&HS flat car book - http://www.prrths.com/estore/index_books.html
Sadly, the shots in that book are mostly dark about the underbody.


Based on looking at the photos online (above) it looks like Chuck has his cylinder mounted too high on the bolster and he needs to add a reservoir to the bolster.

And, of course, you need a full set of brake hardware on each end.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR F34 flat
 
Hello Guy's
                   I'm currently building a F&C PRR F34 flat car. The instructions are very vague about the placement of brake components. If anyone has any info on the placement of the brake parts I would deeply appreciate this as I'm at a stand still with this car. I know some of the parts are to be installed on the span bolsters but I'm not sure of their placement. Thank's

Good Day
Dave


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Steven D Johnson
 

Allen,

 

Is he planning on producing these decals only for the refurbished and renumbered version (500 series) ca. 1958+?

 

I have several photos of the 7900s and later 500 series cars that I can send to him.

 

Thanks,

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:34 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

 

John Hagen has taken on the project of producing Tennessee Central Boxcar decals in HO scale.  It will take him several months to get to this project as he has a backlog of work.

 

I have sent him all of the photos that I could find of these cars but I am sure that he would welcome more and if you also express interest maybe they will get bumped up on his schedule. 

 

Here is what he said regarding costs:

 

"I am thinking I can get 4 per sheet with both the 50’s and 37 lettering. If so you’d be looking at $5.50/set or $20.00/4 sets" 

 

His email is:

 

 

Allen Cain


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Allen Cain
 

John Hagen has taken on the project of producing Tennessee Central Boxcar decals in HO scale.  It will take him several months to get to this project as he has a backlog of work.

I have sent him all of the photos that I could find of these cars but I am sure that he would welcome more and if you also express interest maybe they will get bumped up on his schedule. 

Here is what he said regarding costs:

"I am thinking I can get 4 per sheet with both the 50’s and 37 lettering. If so you’d be looking at $5.50/set or $20.00/4 sets" 

His email is:


Allen Cain


open invitation to the virtual partial TPRM Meet

Richard McQuade
 

Clarification - The virtual partial TPRM Meet is open to all modellers wishing to show any model railroad equipment that you built or modified to accurately reflect a prototype. That is the only limit on submissions. It can be any thing that rolled on the rails or any structures, just as in the case of prototype meets where modellers bring these models of prototype items for display and discussion.

 

Again, the website is: https://torontoprototypemodellers.wordpress.com

 

To post a picture of a recent project, especially one you would bring to a prototype meet, submit the picture along with your name, and a description of 50 words or less to: bdgauer@yahoo.ca

 

Richard


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo Central Vermont SS car w/Extended Height Roof kit #'s 6653 & 6655 #'s

Riverboy
 

I took a look at the link you posted. What I find pretty neat are the photos of the double door cars that were rebuilt into single door cars, but the upper door track for the left hand door is still in place.

Tod C Dwyer

On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 08:38:17 AM EDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Somewhat answering my own question Marty gives a good history of the CV SS cars and a few photos: http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2011/08/central-vermonts-42000-43000-and-44000.html

Bill Welch


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo Central Vermont SS car w/Extended Height Roof kit #'s 6653 & 6655 #'s

Bill Welch
 

Somewhat answering my own question Marty gives a good history of the CV SS cars and a few photos: http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2011/08/central-vermonts-42000-43000-and-44000.html

Bill Welch


Funaro & Camerlengo Central Vermont SS car w/Extended Height Roof kit #'s 6653 & 6655 #'s

Bill Welch
 

Has anyone here built one of the F&C CV SS kits with the extended roof. If so hoping you will post a photo here please. Alternatively if you have one of the kits could you please post a photo showing the side with the extension. I am trying to understand how this looks before I purchase.

Thank you
Bill Welch


Offered at cost--Intermountain just released '37 AAR HO box cars

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-

I have singles of 4 recently released Intermountain 1937 AAR single door box cars, all factory assembled, and all are brand new and each have Dreadnaught 4/5 ends.

I am closing these out and selling them at cost. Your cost ****$22.17****** plus shipping. Current list is $36.95

I have a DL&W  37' AAR IMRC# 45798
I have an Ontario Northern   IM# 45799 w/NSC-2 end
I have a New York Central Jade green repaint IM# 45791
I have an Atlantic & East Carolina 1954 repaint IM 45796

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is welcomed. Contact me off-list, please at <midcentury@...> for details.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson,   Ojai CA



Re: Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

It's been converted to a company service supply car  via a "patch job". Both the number and the "MWM" at the bottom of the second panel show this.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 21, 2020 12:46 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352
A Doug Lilly photo:
I'm not sure there is anything particularly special about this car but it is a nice, clear photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Thank you Bob, I always enjoy viewing the jewels you manage to dig up!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 12:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352
 

Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/38567876541/in/album-72157689269937726/

I'm not sure there is anything particularly special about this car but it is a nice, clear photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Tony Thompson
 

Jon Miller wrote:

    No response?  I'm assuming that was because the car is the same and the only difference is paint and lettering!  I had to wait the 5 years to get this paint/lettering scheme?

yes, Jon, both schemes.

Tony Thompson




Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/38567876541/in/album-72157689269937726/

I'm not sure there is anything particularly special about this car but it is a nice, clear photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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