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Can you identify this for me?

Jim Hayes
 

I found this stock car body buried in some air brushing equipment. I can't find a box for it and have no idea what it is.
Can you help me. It appears to be a quality kit. One of the few I've seen with a fully slatted end.

Jim Hayes


Re: dimensional standard?

Douglas Harding
 

Johannes it can be found in the group files. I posted it there years ago.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:05 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] dimensional standard?

 

Hello Jack,

 

please allow to chime in with the question where I can find the complete article. I would be very interested to learn more about brake systems as I have several freight car models with seemingly senseless arrangement of parts.

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. März 2020 um 21:00 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
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Schuyler…

 

Attached is page 2 from Gene Green extensive article on Air Brakes. The closest that I can get from the air hose brackets to the Kadee #158 scale head couplers is 16”.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:44 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] dimensional standard?

 

I’ve always eyeballed the offset from the car centerline for the air hose brackets.  It’s usually been known to not be accurate anyway, since the coupler pocket’s too wide to allow it to be properly located.

 

But now that Kadee 262 Narrow Whisker pockets allow us to get a lot closer to reality, I’m moved to ask if there was (is?) an AAR standard dimension.  What can the members of this list tell me?

Schuyler

 


Re: dimensional standard?

Rufus Cone
 

The three volume series called Chalk Talks Air Brake Study Course are available for full view at Hathi Trust.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/ls?field1=ocr;q1=railroad%20air%20brakes%20chalk%20talk;a=srchls;lmt=ft

also the 1919 Car Builders' Cyclopedia

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015006057858&view=1up&seq=5

--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: dimensional standard?

Jack Burgess
 

Note that the air hose bracket is to be angled 30 degrees off of vertical.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of earlyrail
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:05 PM
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Yes there is.

From the 1940 Car Builders Cyc, page 980 there are location dimensions for the angle cock.

 

for Wood underframe car   13" from  center-line

for steel underframe car built after 1916  15"

for new cars with 20" couplers 15 1/2"

 

Howard Garner


Re: dimensional standard?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thank you, Jack, appreciated.  One of the things that happens over time is you forget all the references you have to work with, and I do have this one.  Thanks for pointing it out.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jack Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] dimensional standard?

 

Schuyler…

 

Attached is page 2 from Gene Green extensive article on Air Brakes. The closest that I can get from the air hose brackets to the Kadee #158 scale head couplers is 16”.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:44 PM
To: realSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] dimensional standard?

 

I’ve always eyeballed the offset from the car centerline for the air hose brackets.  It’s usually been known to not be accurate anyway, since the coupler pocket’s too wide to allow it to be properly located.

 

But now that Kadee 262 Narrow Whisker pockets allow us to get a lot closer to reality, I’m moved to ask if there was (is?) an AAR standard dimension.  What can the members of this list tell me?

Schuyler


Re: SP 26571 with 5/4/5/3 end

mel perry
 

gotta luv the bottom feeder speculators
mel perry


Re: dimensional standard?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Jack,
 
please allow to chime in with the question where I can find the complete article. I would be very interested to learn more about brake systems as I have several freight car models with seemingly senseless arrangement of parts.
 
Many thanks in advance
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. März 2020 um 21:00 Uhr
Von: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] dimensional standard?

Schuyler…

 

Attached is page 2 from Gene Green extensive article on Air Brakes. The closest that I can get from the air hose brackets to the Kadee #158 scale head couplers is 16”.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:44 PM
To: realSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] dimensional standard?

 

I’ve always eyeballed the offset from the car centerline for the air hose brackets.  It’s usually been known to not be accurate anyway, since the coupler pocket’s too wide to allow it to be properly located.

 

But now that Kadee 262 Narrow Whisker pockets allow us to get a lot closer to reality, I’m moved to ask if there was (is?) an AAR standard dimension.  What can the members of this list tell me?

Schuyler

 


Re: dimensional standard?

earlyrail
 

Yes there is.
From the 1940 Car Builders Cyc, page 980 there are location dimensions for the angle cock.

for Wood underframe car   13" from  center-line
for steel underframe car built after 1916  15"
for new cars with 20" couplers 15 1/2"

Howard Garner


Re: dimensional standard?

Dave Parker
 

Schuyler:

The 1918 drawings of the MCB S&RPs indicate that the air hose must be centered vertically on the coupler's centerline, and horizontally 13" from the car's center-line.  The copy is pretty poor, so I am maybe 95% confident that I am reading those numbers correctly. 

I'd be surprised if that standard changed during our period.

Best regards.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: dimensional standard?

Jack Burgess
 

Schuyler…

 

Attached is page 2 from Gene Green extensive article on Air Brakes. The closest that I can get from the air hose brackets to the Kadee #158 scale head couplers is 16”.

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:44 PM
To: realSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] dimensional standard?

 

I’ve always eyeballed the offset from the car centerline for the air hose brackets.  It’s usually been known to not be accurate anyway, since the coupler pocket’s too wide to allow it to be properly located.

 

But now that Kadee 262 Narrow Whisker pockets allow us to get a lot closer to reality, I’m moved to ask if there was (is?) an AAR standard dimension.  What can the members of this list tell me?

Schuyler


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Dave Parker
 

At the risk of piling on: Clark, I assume that you have a 4598 (there is no 4500 series).  I agree with everything that Ben and  Bill have said.  Plus, the Accurail cars have a fish-belly center sill, also wrong for the USRA SS cars.

The only one of these models that I know to be prototypical is the 4100 series which, with a little work, makes a decent model of some CN cars built ca. 1918-27 (see attached).  The Hendrickson article in the Feb 1993 RMJ provides the details, along with some alternate roads for which the model can work, perhaps as a "close enough " stand-in.

If I had a 4500-series kit, I'd shed it at the next swap meet.  The Tichy USRA kit is about the same $$, and vastly superior.

--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


dimensional standard?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’ve always eyeballed the offset from the car centerline for the air hose brackets.  It’s usually been known to not be accurate anyway, since the coupler pocket’s too wide to allow it to be properly located.

 

But now that Kadee 262 Narrow Whisker pockets allow us to get a lot closer to reality, I’m moved to ask if there was (is?) an AAR standard dimension.  What can the members of this list tell me?

Schuyler


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Bill Welch
 

I may be wrong but I do not think there was an exact prototype with the combination of details this molding has: Hutchins roof; Z-braces; steel ends; steel doors; and eight evenly spaced panels.

Bill Welch


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"I have an Accurail kit #4498. It a single sheathed car and has 7/8 ends and a steel corrugated door. I've asked before what I can model with it and only was given a vague possibility for CN. I found a set of Tichy USRA style ends. I believe the ends would be easier to replace than the door? Did another one besides the Pennsy put steel corrugated doors on their USRA box cars? Would like to do something with this kit!"

If you take this course of action, you'll be doing a bunch of work to create a foobie.  The 5/5/5 Murphy corrugated ends plus the z-section truss members of the Accurail model will NOT accurately model anything, much less any USRA SS boxcar, which had pressed steel truss members.

A quick look at RMJ and MRG articles turned up a photo of DMIR 3328 (pg 11) at this link: 


Ben Hom





Re: Westerfield NB box car

Donald B. Valentine
 


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Re: Westerfield NB box car
From: Brian Carlson
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:53:25 PDT

I have the same photo but it’s labeled Gardenville (Buffalo) yard 1953. 

Brian J. Carlson
That sounds a lot more like it Brian. The B&A's Beacon Park Yard never looked like the photo
in my lifetime and I'm a war baby.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Accurail kit 4498

Clark Propst
 

I have an Accurail kit #4498. It a single sheathed car and has 7/8 ends and a steel corrugated door. I've asked before what I can model with it and only was given a vague possibility for CN. I found a set of Tichy USRA style ends. I believe the ends would be easier to replace than the door? Did another one besides the Pennsy put steel corrugated doors on their USRA box cars? Would like to do something with this kit!
Thanks!!
CW Propst 


Re: SP 26571 with 5/4/5/3 end

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

Thanks, Bill. But I'm going to have to sell some toilet paper to pay for it.

   Nice one!

Tony Thompson




Re: SP 26571 with 5/4/5/3 end

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks, Bill. But I'm going to have to sell some toilet paper to pay for it.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Re: SP 26571 with 5/4/5/3 end

Tony Thompson
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Time to reissue, Tony!

    I understand that it looks that way. But as few as a dozen eager buyers, who suffice to drive up the price of used books, will not be very helpful in a print run which has to exceed 750 units to be financially practical. Signature Press has been through this before, and knows well that eBay or ABE Books prices are not good indicators of printing decisions.
    We primarily judge the decision on reprinting on the basis of the sales rate at the time the book went OOP. If it was very low, as it was for this Volume 3, there will be only a tiny bulge of sales of a reprint. No need to ask me how I know.

Tony Thompson




Re: SP 26571 with 5/4/5/3 end

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Time to reissue, Tony!

 

Schuyler

(but not for me . . .)

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill J. via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SP 26571 with 5/4/5/3 end

 

Found Volume 3 on bookfinder:

https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&ref=bf_s2_a1_t5_5&qi=6Kc3OJTvUuJvsMmS4lqv5BmKFYU_1497963026_1:1:8&bq=author%3Danthony%2520w%2E%2520thompson%26title%3Dsouthern%2520pacific%2520freight%2520cars%2520%2D%2520volume%25203%2520%2D%2520automobile%2520cars%2520and%2520flat%2520cars

Get a second mortgage and buy it!

Bill Jolitz