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Re: New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Brian Carlson
 

I meant X28 like David T mentioned. Can’t type and eat dinner. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

The doors used were cut down from the auxiliary doors from the X28A so they should be a little taller than the X29.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Brian Carlson
 

The doors used were cut down from the auxiliary doors from the X28A so they should be a little taller than the X29.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

David
 

could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car?
X29 doors are too short;  that's why PPR used doors from the (taller) X28. F&C offers a resin kit (#8201 and 8203) with this door style.

David Thompson


New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Andy Carlson
 

Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Chuck Cover
 

Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: WESTERFIELD NYC BOX CAR

gtws00
 

looking good Bill
George Toman


Re: ICC Report: Carload Waybill Statistics; Territorial Distribution, Traffic And Revenue By Commodity Classes, 1947-1953.

Bill Keene
 

Bob,

This will be a good time filler during this period of self-isolation. 

Thanks,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Mar 25, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

ICC Report: Carload Waybill Statistics; Territorial Distribution, Traffic And Revenue By Commodity Classes, 1947-1953.

State to State Distribution of Tonnage By Commodity Groups:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080028817&view=1up&seq=7

I know some of you enthusiastically will consume the data contained in this 600 page-plus document, especially if you are in lock-down status.

Enjoy!

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



ICC Report: Carload Waybill Statistics; Territorial Distribution, Traffic And Revenue By Commodity Classes, 1947-1953.

Bob Chaparro
 

ICC Report: Carload Waybill Statistics; Territorial Distribution, Traffic And Revenue By Commodity Classes, 1947-1953.

State to State Distribution of Tonnage By Commodity Groups:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015080028817&view=1up&seq=7

I know some of you enthusiastically will consume the data contained in this 600 page-plus document, especially if you are in lock-down status.

Enjoy!

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Ken Adams
 

Thank you Dennis for a full explanation of the origins. 

At some time in the last 29 years I acquired one lettered for SP. Still unbuilt but I was impressed by the tight but still discernible siding planks.

Versions are still being flogged around as special run convention cars for NMRA regional conventions. The latest, I understand, is as a PE car for the 2020 Pacific Southwest Region meet (which is now cancelled.) So I guess there is still life in those dies. 
--
Ken Adams


Re: Tools for photo etched ladder assembly

mrvant@rogers.com
 

Thanks Lester.


Re: Lots of Freightcars [was] Westerfield NB box car

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Thank you Dennis. I was about to ask why in the world 95% of the cars in a Milwaukee 
Rd. yard wereNYC cars!!??  I do realize that Jack Delano spent a vast amount of time in
the Chicago - Milwaukee area as he did also here in Vermont filming the dairy industry 
and owing to the fact that supervisor summered nearby on Caspian Lake in Greensboro
which was also the home of a lesser known railroad horseshoe curve.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Lots of Freightcars [was] Westerfield NB box car

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Todd and Friends,

If you have a Mac you will find that the machine compresses the thumbnail title. The information is still there, but represented by ellipses. You can, of course, read it by right clicking on the title or photo; the whole title will appear in the menu that opens after a right click. 

Perhaps a better possibility is to right click the photo and then choose 'GET INFO' from the menu. There is a comments box on the info screen which will allow you to add save a whole bunch of stuff. I just did a test, and the information in the comments box is retained if you duplicate the photo.

I don't have a PC to play with, but I suspect there are similar functions available those operating systems.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:39 PM Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Umm, the Santa Fe boxcar in the background has the "Ship and Travel" slogan, and I think that started in 1947 or so, and Garth said the L&N PS-1 boxcar two cars to the right from the Santa Fe car was built in 1952.  I think Buffalo 1953 makes more sense, given the evidence.

OTOH, I heartily agree that photos and their descriptions should not be separated.  I have many photos copied off the web for personal use, and I recently decided I need to document the source, date and location if known.  Fortunately, the long file names now allowed enable us to do that in the file name.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Can you identify this for me?

Jim Hayes
 

I solved the mystery. It's a Sunshine SLFS kit. I still can't find the box but at least I've identified the body.

Jim H

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:12 PM Jim Hayes via Groups.Io <jimhayes97225=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ben, it's not NP. I know there stockcars pretty well. The NP cars have a radial roof, part of a circle, This one has a flattened curve roof, It's HO.
Thanks for trying though.

Jim


Re: Accurail kit 4498

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:48 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
At the risk of piling on: Clark, I assume that you have a 4598 (there is no 4500 series).
These kits are now 29 years old, being released in 1991, IIRC. They were originally released as the 4000 series (wood ends and doors) 4200 series (7/8 steel ends and wood doors) and the 4400 series (steel ends and doors, At some point over the intervening years, we upgraded all the lettering art work. To avoid confusion between the old and new kits, they were all given new stock numbers, ratcheting each series up 100.
The only one of these models that I know to be prototypical is the 4100 series which, with a little work, makes a decent model of some CN cars built ca. 1918-27 (see attached).
The 4000/4100 series is truly the CN car. At the time I wanted to do a CB&Q car, but in those years builder's drawings weren't as easy to come by as they are now. I had worked with the late Stafford Swain and Ken Goslett to obtain drawings of the 1916 Canadian Government Railways car I did as a resin kit (Safford wanted a later car with the Hutchins roof but they couldn't find drawings) and they never stopped looking, so by the time I was working on the Accurail tooling, they had drawings for the more common CN car of the 1920's.

The 4200/4300 series car with the 7/8 corrugated ends is also a CN prototype, but more obscure. These started life as low roof door and a half automobile cars, but the CN quickly found they were too small; auto cars universally grew to 10'-0" IH during the twenties, so the CN rebuilt them as 6' door boxcars, retaining the corrugated ends. We gave some thought to doing the door and a half version, but it's really an atypical car with its low roof and there were not a lot of potential road names. Don Valentine of New England Rail Service settled the matter by bringing out his conversion kit.

This whole project was done with 3M's Tartan Tool process; sintered steel cavities formed over positive masters, very much like resin kit masters, and I had a Youngstown door pattern that was adaptable. Staff, Ken, and I discussed the possibility that the CN had replaced the doors on some cars, but we never did find any photos. However, in 1991 there weren't a lot of options for easy assembly models of pre-war prototypes, and this third version could be a stand-in for a lot of things, although those DM&IR cars may be the closest match. The idea was the third version would be cheap and easy to do. If I would have known what it was actually going to cost, I probably would not have done it.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Lots of Freightcars [was] Westerfield NB box car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:39 PM, Todd Sullivan wrote:
Umm, the Santa Fe boxcar in the background has the "Ship and Travel" slogan, and I think that started in 1947 or so, and Garth said the L&N PS-1 boxcar two cars to the right from the Santa Fe car was built in 1952.  I think Buffalo 1953 makes more sense, given the evidence.
Oops! The message I responded to had a link that led to the Delano photo on the group's home page... for whatever reason. I know that photo is Bensenville Yard. Since I've seen your recent message, I dug back further and found the pic you guys were actually discussing, which I agree is NOT Bensenville and NOT 1943. I'll go back to sleep now.

Dennis Stoezek


Re: Lots of Freightcars [was] Westerfield NB box car

Todd Sullivan
 

Umm, the Santa Fe boxcar in the background has the "Ship and Travel" slogan, and I think that started in 1947 or so, and Garth said the L&N PS-1 boxcar two cars to the right from the Santa Fe car was built in 1952.  I think Buffalo 1953 makes more sense, given the evidence.

OTOH, I heartily agree that photos and their descriptions should not be separated.  I have many photos copied off the web for personal use, and I recently decided I need to document the source, date and location if known.  Fortunately, the long file names now allowed enable us to do that in the file name.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Lots of Freightcars [was] Westerfield NB box car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:11 PM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
i have the same photo but it’s labeled Gardenville (Buffalo) yard 1953. 

Brian J. Carlson
That's why photos shouldn't be separated from their credits. It's a May 1943 view of the Milwaukee Road's Bensenville Yard (Chicago) part of a series taken by Jack Delano. I don't have time to find the link to the Library of Congress page.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Can you identify this for me?

Jim Hayes
 

Ben, it's not NP. I know there stockcars pretty well. The NP cars have a radial roof, part of a circle, This one has a flattened curve roof, It's HO.
Thanks for trying though.

Jim


Re: Can you identify this for me?

Benjamin Hom
 

Jim Hayes asked:
"I found this stock car body buried in some air brushing equipment. I can't find a box for it and have no idea what it is.
Can you help me. It appears to be a quality kit. One of the few I've seen with a fully slatted end."

What scale does it appear to be?


Ben Hom

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Re: Can you identify this for me?

erieblt2
 

I ‘think’ it may be a Northern Pacific car(radial roof-like the NP boxcars. I think Chooch might have had one on the 1980’s. Someone else had one. I’ll try to remember who. Bill Smith

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