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Re: The Great Yellow Fleet

ed_mines
 

I found the same thing in the book Men of Erie published just after WWII.

I hope you didn't pay full price for that book. there are better ones on the market.


The Great Yellow Fleet

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

I purchased this book on eBay, and discovered that pages 163 thru 170 repeat. Presumably two sheets each containing these pages were laid over each other and folded, cut and sewn into a signature and bound. Has anyone else noticed this problem?

Other than that, it's an interesting book and answers at least some of my questions about refrigerator cars. I read in previous posts that it contains some significant errors in the later chapters, and would appreciate any comments what are the major misstatements.

Thanks.

Alex Schneider


Paper: Unloading Boxcars Of Grain At Terminal Elevators

Bob Chaparro
 

Paper: Unloading Boxcars Of Grain At Terminal Elevators

A USDA document from 1966 on this subject, with photos, describing various means of unloading grain from boxcars:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.d0004103289&view=1up&seq=1

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

James E Kubanick
 

Chuck,

Very good looking build.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 6:06:13 AM EDT, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Chuck 

That’s a great looking build.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 25 Mar 2020, at 22:47, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Westerfield NB box car

Eric Hansmann
 

Nice work, Clark. I need to build several of these in my stash. At one time there were more than 30,000 of these cars (and variants) in-service for a few decades.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 5:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Westerfield NB box car

 

Models finished.
CW Propst


Re: Rail Dates Information

Eric Hansmann
 

Schuyler,

 

Check the group Files section for AAR Interchange dates. I think that will satisfy most of your needs. When Files opens up, click on Type until you see Files listed in the column. Scroll down a bit to find the AAR_InterchangeDates.htm file.

 

Files link:

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/files

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:48 PM
To: realSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rail Dates Information

 

I found, rummaging around in my files, part of a copy of a supplement to RMC from 1979.  It lists significant dates for many changes in railroad locomotive and freight car standards.  But for some reason, I only have copies of two pages, and it’s incomplete.  The freight car information ends about 1927.

 

If someone has a copy (pdf?) of this that’s complete, I’d like to have it. 

 

But what I’d really like is a similar document with the significant dates like this that might be more comprehensive.  I started one for myself a long time ago, but that seems to have disappeared.

 

What set me looking for this was wanting to know the dates when AB brakes came into existence, and the later-than-that date when K brakes were outlawed in interchange.  Yes, I know, that outlaw date was frequently flouted, but still, I’d like to know when the rule called for no more K brakes.

 

Thanks

 

Schuyler


Re: Rail Dates Information

Guy Wilber
 


Schuyler wrote:

“But what I’d really like is a similar document with the significant dates like this that might be more comprehensive.  I started one for myself a long time ago, but that seems to have disappeared.”

There are three versions of such a list within the files section of this list and scores of messages regarding significant dates in the archives.  If you receive a copy of the RMC list I would be interested in a copy, please?  I would also double check the dates listed before using them as fact.

What set me looking for this was wanting to know the dates when AB brakes came into existence, and the later-than-that date when K brakes were outlawed in interchange.  Yes, I know, that outlaw date was frequently flouted, but still, I’d like to know when the rule called for no more K brakes.”

“AB” Brakes were required on all newly constructed freight cars on and after September 1, 1933.

“AB” Brakes were required on all rebuilt freight cars on and after August 1, 1937.

“AB” Brakes were prohibited on freight cars in interchange on and after July 1, 1953.  Tank cars were granted an extension until October 1, 1953.

Empty freight cars being returned to owners were exempt until October 1, 1953.  Empty tank cars being returned to owners were exempt until January 1, 1954.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada



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Re: PRR F34 flat

Dave Boss
 

Thank You Rob for your posting. Everything helps. WOW! That is some brake rigging arrangement.

Dave

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:48 AM Paul Woods <paul@...> wrote:
Thank you most kindly for posting the link, Rob - 'tis never too late to post prototype information!

Regards
Paul

Whangarei, NZ


Re: PRR F34 flat

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Thank you most kindly for posting the link, Rob - 'tis never too late to post prototype information!

Regards
Paul

Whangarei, NZ


Re: New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Paul Doggett
 

Chuck 

That’s a great looking build.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 25 Mar 2020, at 22:47, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Rail Dates Information

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I found, rummaging around in my files, part of a copy of a supplement to RMC from 1979.  It lists significant dates for many changes in railroad locomotive and freight car standards.  But for some reason, I only have copies of two pages, and it’s incomplete.  The freight car information ends about 1927.

 

If someone has a copy (pdf?) of this that’s complete, I’d like to have it. 

 

But what I’d really like is a similar document with the significant dates like this that might be more comprehensive.  I started one for myself a long time ago, but that seems to have disappeared.

 

What set me looking for this was wanting to know the dates when AB brakes came into existence, and the later-than-that date when K brakes were outlawed in interchange.  Yes, I know, that outlaw date was frequently flouted, but still, I’d like to know when the rule called for no more K brakes.

 

Thanks

 

Schuyler


Re: Tahoe Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gary laakso
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tahoe Trucks

 

Intermountain

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:30 PM
To: realSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tahoe Trucks

 

This is probably well known, but not to me:  is there a “standard” axle length that fits all Tahoe trucks?

 

Who supplies the best matched wheelsets for these trucks?  Preferring .088” treads, of course.

 

Schuyler


Re: Tahoe Trucks

gary laakso
 

Intermountain

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:30 PM
To: realSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tahoe Trucks

 

This is probably well known, but not to me:  is there a “standard” axle length that fits all Tahoe trucks?

 

Who supplies the best matched wheelsets for these trucks?  Preferring .088” treads, of course.

 

Schuyler


Tahoe Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

This is probably well known, but not to me:  is there a “standard” axle length that fits all Tahoe trucks?

 

Who supplies the best matched wheelsets for these trucks?  Preferring .088” treads, of course.

 

Schuyler


Re: PRR F34 flat

prrrob
 

I know this is probably a little too late but I have a document showing the brake rodding for most PRR classes on my website.
http://prr.railfan.net/documents/pdf/ACS_Sketch481_DiagramsBrakeArrangements.pdf
I attached the page for the F34 in case it will help.

Rob


Re: New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

O Fenton Wells
 

Looking good Chuck, well done
Fenton

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:39 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:
Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM



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Re: New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Brian Carlson
 

I meant X28 like David T mentioned. Can’t type and eat dinner. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

The doors used were cut down from the auxiliary doors from the X28A so they should be a little taller than the X29.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Brian Carlson
 

The doors used were cut down from the auxiliary doors from the X28A so they should be a little taller than the X29.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:47 PM, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

David
 

could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car?
X29 doors are too short;  that's why PPR used doors from the (taller) X28. F&C offers a resin kit (#8201 and 8203) with this door style.

David Thompson


New Build, PRR Westerfield X26 with welded 6' car builder door

Andy Carlson
 

Cool build!

This sparks my curiosity.............. could someone take 2 pairs of Red Caboose X29 company doors and make this work on a USRA SS box car? I have 100s of those Creco-similar X29 doors.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 3:39:24 PM PDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Here is a newly built Westerfield PRR X26 SS 40' boxcar with a welded 6' car builder door.  Some X26 boxcars had these interesting doors, made by welding together two original 4' auxiliary doors.  These are somewhat similar to the CRECo doors.  There is a prototype photo of this door in RPCyc #24, p38.

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

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