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What ARE these ???

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I hate to admit this, but in the course of doing some deep cleaning and rearranging of my workbench and supplies, I came across this sprue of small parts.  I have no idea what they are.  Realizing that I provided nothing in the photo to give a scale reference, I measure them to be pretty much exactly ¼” long.

 

Evidently I knew what they were for at one time – two have been cut off and presumably mounted somewhere on a steam era freight car, no doubt.

 

Identification sought.

 

Schuyler


Re: RPM Chicagoland News

Tony Thompson
 

Should be one hell of a one day show.   Mont Switzer 

    But that's why I may not choose to attend, given the travel involved from the West Coast. I have only missed one or two "Naperville" meets, but this sounds like it might be another. That's just me at a great distance, of course. If I were closer I would love to support it, and depending how things fall out in the fall, might come just for the buzz.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

mel perry
 

looks like the two cars on the right were
reefers
mel perry

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020, 11:59 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

A circa 1900 photo courtesy of the Wabaunsee County Historical Society & Museum:

https://wabaunseecomuseumdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/d04.jpg

Caption: "Merchants and residents of Eskridge, Kansas unload freight from an Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Freight train at the Eskridge depot in this view, circa 1900."

Pictured are boxcars ATSF 41137 (Bx-U) and ATSF 18058 (Bx-C), plus two unidentified boxcars.

The Bx-U class of forty-foot cars first appeared in 1890 and were re-designated from the FE-D class furniture cars in 1906-08. The cars were built by the Wells & French Company. None of these cars were on the live list by 1922.

The Bx-C class of thirty-four foot cars appeared in 1892-93 and were the products of several car builders. The Bx-C designation was applied in 1902. A small number of these cars lasted into the early 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Early Santa Fe Boxcars At Eskridge Depot

A circa 1900 photo courtesy of the Wabaunsee County Historical Society & Museum:

https://wabaunseecomuseumdotorg.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/d04.jpg

Caption: "Merchants and residents of Eskridge, Kansas unload freight from an Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe Freight train at the Eskridge depot in this view, circa 1900."

Pictured are boxcars ATSF 41137 (Bx-U) and ATSF 18058 (Bx-C), plus two unidentified boxcars.

The Bx-U class of forty-foot cars first appeared in 1890 and were re-designated from the FE-D class furniture cars in 1906-08. The cars were built by the Wells & French Company. None of these cars were on the live list by 1922.

The Bx-C class of thirty-four foot cars appeared in 1892-93 and were the products of several car builders. The Bx-C designation was applied in 1902. A small number of these cars lasted into the early 1930s.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


DL&W brake system help

Lester Breuer
 

I am looking at Delaware, Lackawanna & Western auto double door rebuilt steel box, series 11300 to 11599, rebuilt 1935 to 1937   The Yarmouth Model Works kit #115 comes with K brakes.   Upon looking at the Jan. 1953 ORER I see 199 cars still in service.  My question did the cars in service receive AB brakes or did they not run in Interchange service?

Thank You in advance for your time and effort to answer.
Lester Breuer


Re: Index to 101 Years of Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Official Minute Books and Records on 35 mm Microfilm 1849 to 1950 and C.E. Perkins Papers 1863-1907 Microfilm

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

On 3/28/20 6:42 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:

Please excuse the off-topic post but I need help on research:
I think that's mostly what we do here.


A couple of years ago I ran across an online detailed catalog
description of each of the 45 or so CB&Q microfilm rolls and an
additional 15 or so on C.E. Perkins papers 1863-1907 with call
numbers in some online catalog of a library or college library.
AFAIK it was a simple Google search. I somehow lost the link and
cannot find it again after trying every conceivable search term and
variation thereof that I can think of. ...
Any ideas on finding this website beyond the normal Google, Bing,
etc. search engines???
Try <http://www.worldcat.org/>. It's a union catalog of hundreds of large libraries, with an emphasis on university and research libraries. I've found it an invaluable for seeing who has what.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /


Photo: PRR Wreck Train

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PRR Wreck Train

Photo courtesy of the University of Virginia:

http://eshore.iath.virginia.edu/sites/default/files/ph.cchs_.318.rrwrecktrain_1924.jpg

Caption: "Pennsylvania Railroad Wreck Train, April 24, 1924."

That automobile boxcar (C&NW?) in the background has and interesting end.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Early Fruit Transportation . . . . . oyster box cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Also there were special cars for transporting oysters when people would pay a steep premium for the legless "livestock". The cars had salt water tanks for the valuable mollusks. Here is an example of an oyster car:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Stillwell_Oyster_Car_1897.jpg

And here is an article about Arthur E. Stilwell, inventor of the famed Stilwell Oyster Car

http://www.pullman-museum.org/theCompany/stillwell.html

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Paint stripper saga

Mont Switzer
 

Should be 1937 AAR rebuilds.  Can't blame that on SPELL Chucker.  Mont Switzer 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Mont Switzer <MSwitzer@...>
Date: 3/30/20 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint stripper saga

Allan and all,

The NKP 18000 AAR 47 rebuilds were programmed at Frankfort. IN Car Shop just before the merger with WAB and N&W.

Not an NKP expert either.  Just had to figure this out when building the models. 

Mont Switzer 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
Date: 3/29/20 1:58 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint stripper saga

NKP 18000 Series Boxcars. See Mont Switzer article in Mainline Modeler March 1994 Page 28-29. The NKP Rebuilt some 16000-17999 cars and renumbered them into the 18000 series. I am not an expert in the NKP, but am building NKP cars for my layout, from conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1954.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 10:47:38 AM PDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I only mention this because this subject seems to come up alot. Yesterday I decided to build four plastic kits as a change of pace from drilling and pushing in grab irons on resin models. I have three IMWX and one Intermountain AAR 37 design kits to make home road. I had stripped the lettering off the IM kit previously. I thought the IMWX kits were all undecs, but one was lettered NKP. I use Scalecoat stripper. I dipped the car in for about a half hour. Didn't touch the lettering. I did one more dip, no success. I thought, well, I'll leave it NKP. The car was numbered in the 18000 series. I checked Ed Hawkins AAR 37 list and found no cars listed in that series. So, I dipped the body in the stripper for several hours. Finally with scrubbing it came off. They used good paint in the old days  ;  ))
CW Propst


Re: RPM Chicagoland News

Frank Hodina
 

The reason for the one day event is that was the only date available at NIU for 2020. In 2021 the RPM could be one, two or three days. And the reason for holding the event at NIU is the cost which is less than half of what a hotel charges per day. The attendance fee will drop to something like $50. Also there's no risk with booking with NIU as they have a 15 day cancellation period with a 100% refund.

Frank


Re: Paint stripper saga

Mont Switzer
 

Allan and all,

The NKP 18000 AAR 47 rebuilds were programmed at Frankfort. IN Car Shop just before the merger with WAB and N&W.

Not an NKP expert either.  Just had to figure this out when building the models. 

Mont Switzer 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Allan Smith <smithal9@...>
Date: 3/29/20 1:58 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint stripper saga

NKP 18000 Series Boxcars. See Mont Switzer article in Mainline Modeler March 1994 Page 28-29. The NKP Rebuilt some 16000-17999 cars and renumbered them into the 18000 series. I am not an expert in the NKP, but am building NKP cars for my layout, from conductors lists from the Sierra RR in 1954.

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 10:47:38 AM PDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


I only mention this because this subject seems to come up alot. Yesterday I decided to build four plastic kits as a change of pace from drilling and pushing in grab irons on resin models. I have three IMWX and one Intermountain AAR 37 design kits to make home road. I had stripped the lettering off the IM kit previously. I thought the IMWX kits were all undecs, but one was lettered NKP. I use Scalecoat stripper. I dipped the car in for about a half hour. Didn't touch the lettering. I did one more dip, no success. I thought, well, I'll leave it NKP. The car was numbered in the 18000 series. I checked Ed Hawkins AAR 37 list and found no cars listed in that series. So, I dipped the body in the stripper for several hours. Finally with scrubbing it came off. They used good paint in the old days  ;  ))
CW Propst


Re: RPM Chicagoland News

Mont Switzer
 

Should be one hell of a one day show.   Mont Switzer 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: skibbs4 <mskibbe@...>
Date: 3/29/20 9:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM Chicagoland News

While the Sheraton did try to move us to a Wed-Fri program schedule, the issue was the costs didn’t go down. We have a lot of walk in traffic from locals on Saturday, a day we offer a one day rate for those folks who couldn’t get off work during the week. It helped balance the bills enough that we weren’t comfortable losing out on that bit of revenue. If the show continued in its “Big Format”. 

I applaud Frank’s willingness to shift this event a bit. A small format is a good thing this year. And let’s see what 2021 brings. I hope everything bounces back. 

I do know that I’m finding a lot of time to work on models all of the sudden. Make sure you support your local hobby shops. And or Des Plaines Hobbies who are still doing mail order!

Mike Skibbe
www.rpmconference.com

On Mar 29, 2020, at 2:29 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:


Tom Madden writes:
"The Sheraton - Lisle would rather do weddings on Saturdays than conventions so they've priced themselves out of range for meets like ours."


The 1+ day meet arrangements at NIU for 2020 make perfect sense, given the overall situation. But if the hotel situation described by Tom continues into 2021, I have to wonder whether Chicagoland might be nearly as successful with a full 2 1/2 day mid-week convention vs the scaled-down weekend version. Many of the attendees are retirees where "every day is a Saturday," and the sampling of younger attendees I have met seem committed enough RPMers to consider scheduling vacation time. Mid-week weddings would be less of an issue; mid-week competition for the convention space and room availability vs. weekday business travel would have to be checked out with the hotel.

No question we would lose some folks with mid-week timing, but if things look encouraging from the hotel, there might be interesting insight if Frank were to poll the registrants and dealers from 2019 with this question. And to put us back on topic for realSTMFC -- more time for freight car clinics and discussion!

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: IM Deco End Car Question

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Guy,

Thanks much for the clarification. Looks like IM got this right. I will leave the symbol on my car.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:07 PM Guy Wilber via Groups.Io <guycwilber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth Wrote:

“The IM Deco boxcar has the circle with a horizontal bar across only the center of the circle. That doesn't quite seem to fit any of the signs you describe.”

As I suspected, the symbol on the C&O cars (despite having a horizontal bar)designates cars equipped with lading strap anchors.  

From Al Kresse: 

Diagram sheet 17 (Aug 4, 1937, late rev'd in 1960) for C&O 5000-5499 series (three series combined here) says "AZ EE lading straps and anchors to 4000-5499" and handwritten Note 2 to 5000-5499 series (both Dreadnaught and Deco ends) "100 cars have AZ EE lading straps."  That would be your oval with horizontal bar marking on the door it appears. 

Thanks, Al

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 



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Re: Western Fruit Express 12' 11" rebuilt reefer.

Scott
 

Thank you Jim and Bill!  The PDS was and interesting read.

Scott McDonald 


PRR Class X36 (was Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: CP Boxcar 24000)

David
 


Re: IM Deco End Car Question

Guy Wilber
 

Garth Wrote:

“The IM Deco boxcar has the circle with a horizontal bar across only the center of the circle. That doesn't quite seem to fit any of the signs you describe.”

As I suspected, the symbol on the C&O cars (despite having a horizontal bar)designates cars equipped with lading strap anchors.  

From Al Kresse: 

Diagram sheet 17 (Aug 4, 1937, late rev'd in 1960) for C&O 5000-5499 series (three series combined here) says "AZ EE lading straps and anchors to 4000-5499" and handwritten Note 2 to 5000-5499 series (both Dreadnaught and Deco ends) "100 cars have AZ EE lading straps."  That would be your oval with horizontal bar marking on the door it appears. 

Thanks, Al

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada 



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Re: RPM Chicagoland News

tyesac@aol.com <tyesac@...>
 

I'm going to guess that the Schaumburg convention center was priced out of the picture?

Tom Casey


-----Original Message-----
From: skibbs4 <mskibbe@...>
To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 29, 2020 8:47 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM Chicagoland News

While the Sheraton did try to move us to a Wed-Fri program schedule, the issue was the costs didn’t go down. We have a lot of walk in traffic from locals on Saturday, a day we offer a one day rate for those folks who couldn’t get off work during the week. It helped balance the bills enough that we weren’t comfortable losing out on that bit of revenue. If the show continued in its “Big Format”. 

I applaud Frank’s willingness to shift this event a bit. A small format is a good thing this year. And let’s see what 2021 brings. I hope everything bounces back. 

I do know that I’m finding a lot of time to work on models all of the sudden. Make sure you support your local hobby shops. And or Des Plaines Hobbies who are still doing mail order!

Mike Skibbe
www.rpmconference.com

On Mar 29, 2020, at 2:29 AM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:


Tom Madden writes:
"The Sheraton - Lisle would rather do weddings on Saturdays than conventions so they've priced themselves out of range for meets like ours."


The 1+ day meet arrangements at NIU for 2020 make perfect sense, given the overall situation. But if the hotel situation described by Tom continues into 2021, I have to wonder whether Chicagoland might be nearly as successful with a full 2 1/2 day mid-week convention vs the scaled-down weekend version. Many of the attendees are retirees where "every day is a Saturday," and the sampling of younger attendees I have met seem committed enough RPMers to consider scheduling vacation time. Mid-week weddings would be less of an issue; mid-week competition for the convention space and room availability vs. weekday business travel would have to be checked out with the hotel.

No question we would lose some folks with mid-week timing, but if things look encouraging from the hotel, there might be interesting insight if Frank were to poll the registrants and dealers from 2019 with this question. And to put us back on topic for realSTMFC -- more time for freight car clinics and discussion!

Regards,
Bob Chapman


Nelson & Albemarle, Schuyler Mill Circa 1935

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Right now I'm scanning up the last of my photos and negatives from the Nelson & Albembarle Railway and its parent Virginia Soapstone / Alberene Stone Corporation. I thought you might enjoy this overhead view of their mill in Schuyler, Virginia (the Real Walton's Mountain, for fans of that TV program).

The photo in question is an aerial view taken at an unknown date. From the corporate history, balanced against the shapes of the autos, I would date this photo to 1935. That was the year Virginia Soapstone came out of bankruptcy as Alberene Stone Corporation. It seems fitting that as the new owners got production running again, they would hire an aerial photographer to document their factory. I was lucky to be given three views of the works from different directions, and this is the first I have scanned up.

What about freight cars? Well, there is a whole collection of boxcars here for you to mull over. At lower left we have a 40' wooden double-sheathed car. It is coupled to a Southern 36' double-sheathed car. Then two more double-sheathed cars on the other side of the loading shed. Moving to the right we have what I think is a single-sheathed box, followed by a double-sheathed car, then another Southern 36-footer. The rest of the rolling stock is five four-wheeled dump cars for quarry waste, followed by a two-truck dump. Surprisingly, there are no locomotives visible.

The quarries to the top of the photo are filled with water, though they were later drained and put back into production. At this time the active quarries were on the other side of the hill. The buildings on each side of the traveling crane are the gang saw sheds, where blocks were sliced into slabs. The buildings at the lower center contained the final cutting machines, surfacing equipment, and packing areas.

Virginia Soapstone was the largest producer of soapstone products in Virginia, possibly in the whole country. Although they sold a lot of specialized building stone, their bread and butter up to this time was the soapstone laundry tub. They also made specialized lab sinks. If it you took chemistry in high school or college, the lab dated to before the 1960s and had black or gray stone counters and sinks, they very likely came from this factory. The works are still going after numerous changes of ownership, though much reduced in size and workforce. The Nelson & Albemarle Railway, however, ran its last train on January 5, 1963.

Back in 1990 I published a book on the Nelson & Albemarle and its owners (sorry, no copies left). When I couldn't find a publisher, I chopped the text down to 52 half-sized pages, and self-published an abridged edition using the University of Virginia's high-speed photocopiers. Now that I am retired, and have time on my hands, I am contemplating a new print-on-demand edition to include all the stuff I had to leave out, and using many more photos in a reasonably large size. We will see.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: vertical ribbed box car ends (was [RealSTMFC] Some Good Photos of Wrecks with Freight Cars in them)

Eric Lombard
 

Gents, the unusual ends on SSW 17164 in the wreck scene were manufactured by AC&F.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:09 PM Brent Greer <studegator@...> wrote:
I was told that the 8-8 vertical ribs were from Murphy, and that a 7-7 inverted vertical rib was also offered by Vulcan.

Brent


Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:03 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: vertical ribbed box car ends (was [RealSTMFC] Some Good Photos of Wrecks with Freight Cars in them)
 

Reminds me of this end - Did anyone ever identify who made the ends with vertical ribs?

http://www.fritzmilhaupt.com/bbgraphics/85500EndSm.jpg


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On 3/28/2020 4:39 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:

I think photo is attached.

Brian

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Offered: Sunshine Resin SP B-50-24 Black Overnight lettering box car kit

Andy Carlson
 


Hello- Something to do while we are waiting on an uncertain future.

Offering for sale; I have a new, never removed from box HO Sunshine Models kit #32.1 S.P. B-50-24 Black Overnight lettering 40' box car kit.

Offered for $55 and I pay shipping. It will be Kraft wrapped before mailing. Has the unique for SP Youngstown Steel "Overnight" steel door.

I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is welcomed. Contact me off-list (Please) for details at <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson, Ojai, CA.

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