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Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

 I notice a worker is about to enter (or perhaps has just emerged from) the interior of the chlorine tank car via the dome (or should I say bonnet?). I wonder what procedure they followed to make sure the interior was fully purged of any residual chlorine. No safety or rescue equipment of any sort in sight! I used to work for an industrial gas company back in the 1980s, this breaks every safety rule we were ever taught!! Now how about someone modeling THIS scene!?!

       Note in that photo (the second one) that there IS no bonnet. It has been removed. An installed bonnet has no manway at all. This car must be being repaired. And I think I see the top of a ladder under the raised arm of the workman in the car, but that might just be one of the bolts that fastens the bonnet.
       Impossible to know how the car had been purged, or how long it sat with the open access, so I don't think we can critique the safety measures in use.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photos: Hooker Tank Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Tim and Friends,

Well . . . I'm wondering if you are serious about this statement. The black cars with white or silver lettering are obvious. The cars with orange ends and the black band at the dome are equally obvious, even in black-and-white photos. I don't think these are going to be missed by anybody.

Or am I just humor challenged today? Being caged up might be taking its toll.


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 3:40 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

The orange and black Hooker paint scheme is shown in builder photos from
before World War II.

Of course the photos are all black & white, making this less obvious. :-)




On 4/11/2020 3:28 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
> Friends,
>
> Yesterday someone asked when the orange paint scheme was applied to
> Hooker tank cars. I'm not sure anyone answered. A clue is in the photo
> of GATX 24784 at
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/42 .
> The car appears to be new, and the date on the tank reads 9-53. Now
> this may not be one of the first cars in the orange paint, but it is a
> start.
>
> Yours Aye,
>
>
> Garth Groff


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

 
I notice a worker is about to enter (or perhaps has just emerged from) the interior of the chlorine tank car via the dome (or should I say bonnet?). I wonder what procedure they followed to make sure the interior was fully purged of any residual chlorine. No safety or rescue equipment of any sort in sight! I used to work for an industrial gas company back in the 1980s, this breaks every safety rule we were ever taught!! Now how about someone modeling THIS scene!?!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

From: mark_landgraf via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp
 
It looks like a drawbar from the trailer hitch of the truck to coupler of the car for the purpose of moving the car around the facility. 
 
Mark Landgraf


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:12 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
<claus@...> wrote:
Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for these great links. I notice in the image of TELX 224 that there appears to be the tailgate of a truck. Two items of interest...
 
(1) The truck bed appears to be holding chlorine cannisters that may be similar to those used on chlorine cannister railroad cars
 
(2) There appears to be a rod or pipe between the car TELX 224 and the back of the truck – what does the rest of the group make of this?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:41 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars
 

Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars

These black-and-white photos are from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Archives:

TELX 210

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/11668/rec/10

TELX 224

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/4899/rec/155

TELX 307

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17891/rec/50

TELX 308

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5388/rec/64

Use the slider above the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Painting brass

Tony Thompson
 

Clark Propst wrote:

Would like to know what prep work folks do before laying on color?

   Clark, I almost always use a light gray primer, sometimes even from a rattle can, but with good paint, such as Tamiya. And I let it sit for some time to be ENTIRELY dry.

Tony Thompson




Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

Dick Harley
 

Very nice model, Fenton.  Always good to see a UP car modeled well.

I have a couple minor nits to pick, that I expect very few people to know.
First, the UP began putting the solid journal Repack data in an elongated UP shield stencil starting in January 1951, so your car should have that stencil.  It is on the Speedwitch decal sheet, but starts in 1953.  The little square on the left side is for cars with mechanical journal lubricators.
Second, the reweigh station symbol of "KR" (for Kemmerer, WY according to Richard Hendrickson) Is one I don't ever recall seeing on a UP freight car.  Kemmerer is listed as having a track scale in 1951, but I have no idea if it was used for determining LT WT on freight cars.  I have not talked to Ted about why it is on his decal sheet or if he has a photo.
Perhaps Frank Peacock or other knowledgable UP freight car person could comment about UP reweigh stations.

Much more info on painting and lettering UP freight cars is on my SmugMug site, though I now see that I apparently have not posted a list of common UP reweigh stations - need to do that.
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

You are right about the date for the change to all Armour Yellow lettering - July 1947.
And you picked a good car number.  That car kept its original car number and stayed in standard service until it was retired in 1982.

Thanks for sharing.


Stay Safe & Healthy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA



Painting brass

Clark Propst
 

Would like to know what prep work folks do before laying on color?
Thanks, appreciate it!
CW Propst


Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp

mark_landgraf
 

It looks like a drawbar from the trailer hitch of the truck to coupler of the car for the purpose of moving the car around the facility. 

Mark Landgraf


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:12 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
<claus@...> wrote:
Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for these great links. I notice in the image of TELX 224 that there appears to be the tailgate of a truck. Two items of interest...
 
(1) The truck bed appears to be holding chlorine cannisters that may be similar to those used on chlorine cannister railroad cars
 
(2) There appears to be a rod or pipe between the car TELX 224 and the back of the truck – what does the rest of the group make of this?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:41 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars
 

Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars

These black-and-white photos are from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Archives:

TELX 210

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/11668/rec/10

TELX 224

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/4899/rec/155

TELX 307

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17891/rec/50

TELX 308

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5388/rec/64

Use the slider above the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

spsalso
 

I'm going through my Rapido pre-orders, and trimming those that look like they might have problems.

I just examined the photo Rapido has posted:

https://rapidotrains.com/products/ho-scale/freight-cars/ho-scale-usra-double-sheathed-wood-boxcar

here's an enlargement:

https://rapidotrains.com/sites/default/files/dlw.jpg

I noticed that the rungs of the corner ladders line up towards the top, but they become more out of alignment as they go towards the bottom.  We all know that's a BIG no-no.  Before I cancel, I thought I'd ask if anyone has heard that this will be corrected in the final product.  I DO want these.  I've ordered 16.  But I surely don't want to have to deal with fixing that ladder alignment.

Anyone know?


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Re: Photos: Hooker Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

The orange and black Hooker paint scheme is shown in builder photos from before World War II.

Of course the photos are all black & white, making this less obvious. :-)

On 4/11/2020 3:28 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Friends,

Yesterday someone asked when the orange paint scheme was applied to Hooker tank cars. I'm not sure anyone answered. A clue is in the photo of GATX 24784 at http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/42 . The car appears to be new, and the date on the tank reads 9-53. Now this may not be one of the first cars in the orange paint, but it is a start.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Photos: Hooker Tank Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Friends,

Yesterday someone asked when the orange paint scheme was applied to Hooker tank cars. I'm not sure anyone answered. A clue is in the photo of GATX 24784 at http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/42 . The car appears to be new, and the date on the tank reads 9-53. Now this may not be one of the first cars in the orange paint, but it is a start.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:44 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photos: Hooker Tank Cars

These black-and-white photos are from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Archives:

HOKX 606 & 614 Plus Others

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/19920/rec/35

HOKX 609, 613 & 713 Plus GATX 36971

Also a possible Hooker car with GATX reporting marks to the left of 613.

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/31917/rec/24

HOKX 711

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/13399/rec/5

HOKX 2049

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/27968/rec/60

GATX 24784

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/42

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32346/rec/44

GATX 25578

Note location of reporting marks on frame instead of tank.

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5536/rec/111

Unidentified

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/16060/rec/138

Use the slider above the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for these great links. I notice in the image of TELX 224 that there appears to be the tailgate of a truck. Two items of interest...
 
(1) The truck bed appears to be holding chlorine cannisters that may be similar to those used on chlorine cannister railroad cars
 
(2) There appears to be a rod or pipe between the car TELX 224 and the back of the truck – what does the rest of the group make of this?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars
 

Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars

These black-and-white photos are from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Archives:

TELX 210

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/11668/rec/10

TELX 224

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/4899/rec/155

TELX 307

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17891/rec/50

TELX 308

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5388/rec/64

Use the slider above the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Hooker Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 


Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars

These black-and-white photos are from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Archives:

TELX 210

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/11668/rec/10

TELX 224

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/4899/rec/155

TELX 307

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17891/rec/50

TELX 308

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5388/rec/64

Use the slider above the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Chuck Soule
 

It's not uncommon to see mothballed flattops in Tacoma Tideflats air photos from the 40s, 50s, and maybe even into the 60s.  They were escort carriers built by the shipbuilding company at the tip of the peninsula that the Hooker Plant was on.  My understanding is that they were in the process of being completed when WW2 ended, and were mothballed right there without ever having been commissioned.  I may not be exactly correct about their service histories, but they were definitely mothballed in the immediate vicinity of the Hooker plant. 

When the Hooker plant was modeled on the PSMRE layout at the Washington State History Museum, the backdrop painted behind it included not only the stockpile of salt for the plant, but also paintings of a freighter directly behind the stockpile and an escort carrier to the left.  The ships copied after art on the tops of the boxes for model ship kits for an escort carrier and a freighter from the 40s-50s era.  I just tried to find a photo on the PSMRE site to no avail, and I can't go take pictures because the museum is closed for the duration.

My ramblings are getting a bit off track for freight cars, but I hope you find the context interesting.  We just HAD to have the Hooker plant on the PSMRE layout so we could appropriately switch chemical tank cars showing the Hooker paint scheme, especially with "Return to Tacoma" on them.

Chuck Soule


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Chuck Soule
 

It's not uncommon to see mothballed flattops in Tacoma Tideflats air photos from the 40s, 50s, and maybe even into the 60s.  They were escort carriers built by the shipbuilding company at the tip of the peninsula that the Hooker Plant was on.  My understanding is that they were in the process of being completed when WW2 ended, and were mothballed right there without ever having been commissioned.  I may not be exactly correct about their service histories, but they were definitely mothballed in the immediate vicinity of the Hooker plant. 

When the Hooker plant was modeled on the PSMRE layout at the Washington State History Museum, the backdrop painted behind it included not only the stockpile of salt for the plant, but also paintings of a freighter directly behind the stockpile and an escort carrier to the left.  The ships copied after art on the tops of the boxes for model ship kits for an escort carrier and a freighter from the 40s-50s era.  I just tried to find a photo on the PSMRE site to no avail, and I can't go take pictures because the museum is closed for the duration.

My ramblings are getting a bit off track for freight cars, but I hope you find the context interesting.  We just HAD to have the Hooker plant on the PSMRE layout so we could appropriately switch chemical tank cars showing the Hooker paint scheme, especially with "Return to Tacoma" on them.

Chuck Soule


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

David Wiggs
 

A little to the left, which would be east, is where the USN used to have three Minesweepers live.  They were tied up next to a group of warehouses and were just down (west) the tital cut from a power house next to a bridge that crossed this tital cut.
 
Davo in Orlando


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

tbarney2004
 

That would be the USS Intrepid at what would have been, I believe, Pier 86 @ W. 46th Street which is a few blocks south of the Manhattan Cruise terminal (today) which happens to sit on the Hudson River, which is incorrectly named being that it is a tidal estuary, as the tidal flow extends up to and past Albany 100 miles north.

Tim Barney - sitting about 1/4 mile from the old, long gone, O&W Kingston Branch and the Ellenville Station/Freight Depot (for some steam era content)

On 4/10/2020 7:13 PM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io wrote:
     What a shame to cut up the Liberty Ships. I gather there was no interest on the Left Coast to restore one 
as has been done on the East Coast with the John W. Brown out of Baltimore on which crusies are offered or 
even just tours such as on the DDE USS Slater in Albany, NY or the USS Kidd in Baton Rouge, LA. IIRC there
is also a WW II flat top in NYC.

Cordially, Don Valentine



Recommendations: two Wilson & MRRX Mather RC RTR meat reefers

Andy Carlson
 

I just checked out Mather meat reefers on Ebay after my Mather post just minutes ago. There are a good number of both Red Caboose RTR and kits offered, almost all at much less expense than mine. I recommend going to ebay first. I don't mind keeping my two reefers! Stay safe, everyone.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Saturday, April 11, 2020, 9:22:32 AM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


Hello-
I have two Red Caboose factory assembled HO Mather meat reefers offered for sale.

RC RR-31009-5 Wilson Car Lines; WCLX 7532
RC RR-31001-5 Mather orange lease car MRRX 2684

Priced at $35 each, shipping included to the US. These are new, in never been opened packaging. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...> for details.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA
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Offered: two Wilson & MRRX Mather RC RTR meat reefers

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I have two Red Caboose factory assembled HO Mather meat reefers offered for sale.

RC RR-31009-5 Wilson Car Lines; WCLX 7532
RC RR-31001-5 Mather orange lease car MRRX 2684

Priced at $35 each, shipping included to the US. These are new, in never been opened packaging. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is accepted. Contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...> for details.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA

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