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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

bill woelfel
 

The Rapido newsletter dated April 3rd says the cars should be here sometime in May so I guess they they have left the factory already. There is a pic of an SP&S car and the ladders/grabs match. The car pictured  on the website is a DL&W car and  the grabs are out of line. I've got some on order also (ATSF) and just gonna wait it out.   Bill W


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Doug Paasch
 

Thanks Claus!  Awesome picture, and with the unloading crane with tongs, too.  I will be modeling log dumps on my layout and this photo will be a great reference on how log loads were secured in gondolas and type of crane used to unload them.

Doug Paasch


On Apr 11, 2020 1:59 PM, "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...> wrote:


Painting brass

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Painting Brass: --

Soak in solvent to make sure all flux and oils are removed;

Soak in white vinegar (nothing more that weak acetic acid);

Rinse and dry;

I blast in a cabinet with #400 Alox;

Most primer is nothing more than another (unnecessary) coat of paint, and
of questionable value when attempting a (chemical) bond to non-ferrous material
and so-called etching primers are formulated for ferric materials employing
phosphoric acid as the etchant (creating iron phosphate for paint to stick to);

But I do coat with a clear industrial preparation.......branded as "Steelcote"
(and consisting largely of purified shellac - once covered with the color coat
it's as durable as anything else);

Paint and then bake......I have stuff painted over thirty-five years ago
with Steelcote - Scalecoat.......trudged all over and about for display, packed, unpacked,
repacked, unpacked.......etc., etc., etc.,

Rarely any touch up..........

Mal Houck


Painting brass

Andy Carlson
 

Tim O'Connor can tell you that George Bishop received his California supplied paint in 1 gallon buckets, 4 to a card board box, stacked together on wooden pallets.

I have way too much time.....
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA

On Saturday, April 11, 2020, 6:22:28 PM PDT, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
.....5 gallon cans from California.....

 
   For resin or styrene I will occasionally use Scalecoat paint but the usual paint I use there is now Tru-Color
which I know to be manufatured by the same Califoria supplier that supplied Accu-Paint to George Bishop
in five gallon cans. The late Gordon Cannon, founder of Cannon & Company, was also a great supporter
of Accu-Paint.
of u
_._,_._,_


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Robert kirkham
 

Putting aside thoughts about accurate modelling, it looks to me as if straight (not drop) grabs in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th from bottom positions on the side would remedy the problem.   

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

 

Randy,

I have not checked with Rapido.  I thought that perhaps something so obvious would have already been discussed here, and I had missed it.

Assuming that turns out to be true, based on yours and any other responses, I will indeed message Rapido on the matter.

I was very impressed when they dumped the cast plastic grabs on the NP box, and replaced them with wire.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: HO Freight cars for sale

Brian Carlson
 

UGH, doing my taxes tonight and didn’t realize Armand replied on list. I have deleted my reply from the group online, apologies for the oops. Better eat quickly because the food is jail is meh.

 

Brian Carlson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Freight cars for sale

 

Armand:

List attached

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Armand Premo
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 8:33 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Freight cars for sale

 

Brian,Please send me your list.Thank you.Armand Premo

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 8:07 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’m clearing out some excess inventory and projects. I have some plastic and one F&C resin kits as well as plastic RTR cars up for sale. No sunshine cars in this batch.  If you’d like a list email me off-list at prrk41361 AT yahoo DOT com

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

spsalso
 

Randy,

I have not checked with Rapido.  I thought that perhaps something so obvious would have already been discussed here, and I had missed it.

Assuming that turns out to be true, based on yours and any other responses, I will indeed message Rapido on the matter.

I was very impressed when they dumped the cast plastic grabs on the NP box, and replaced them with wire.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Painting brass

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    I agree with Pierre except on one thing. WHY PRIME? Primer hides detail. I've been painting brass for 
over fifty years, painted my first piece with fellow STMFC member Andy Miller's air brush at the MIT Model
RR Club shortly before I bought my own Paasche and with Andy looking over my shoulder. I used Floquil
Zinc Chromate Primer and Floquil paint. This was the only two models I have ever painted with primer or
Floquil paint, the first and the last!  I still have that model to remind me of why I never used Floquil again
and cheered when they went out of business. I switched to Scalecoat, now called Scalecoat I to differ it 
from Scalecost II that is meant for plastic, and have never regreted it  It does not need a primer nor is one 
recomended. But like Pierre I grit blast brass, clean it well and if I have a concern will also use white 
vinegar in the preparation process. I have never had  a problem with Scalecoat I not adhering to a model
if this process is followed. Scalecoat also lasts well when sealed well. I have at least 1 bottle of it with the 
original address on the label: 888 Velmont Ave., Birmingham, AL

   For resin or styrene I will occasionally use Scalecoat paint but the usual paint I use there is now Tru-Color
which I know to be manufatured by the same Califoria supplier that supplied Accu-Paint to George Bishop
in five gallon cans. The late Gordon Cannon, founder of Cannon & Company, was also a great supporter
of Accu-Paint.
of u

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

Todd Sullivan
 

The data about the photo that Bob pointed out says 1946 or 1947. 

I wondered about the use of the UCR gon in log service.  It probably came from the Salt Lake City area to the smelter in Tacoma with copper ore or concentrate, and was released empty.  An enterprising yardmaster needed one more gondola for a log loading on a branch his trains serviced, so he grabbed it and sent it there.  It came back with these skinny sticks for this mill.  Notice that the nice brake wheel is slightly dished the wrong way. 

I'm just finishing one of these UCR gondolas from Cory Bonsall, and needed a photo of the B end to see how the cutting levers were positioned.  Voila!  The photo Bob provided is perfect.  I have another much older photo that shows the A end.   Model photos in a few days.

Todd Sullivan 


Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp

Allen Cain
 

Claus,

And this is why so many people died entering confined spaces before OSHA implemented confined space entry rules.  May have been based on other agencies work.

I recall a case where about six men were killed when repairing a tank without air packs, wenches or other rescue equipment that would be SOP today.

First man in passed out so another went in to rescue him, then he passed out and another went in an so on until they were all dead at the bottom of the tank.

The oxygen in the bottom of the tank had been displaced by a an inert gas that was heavier than oxygen.  Sad story.

Allen Cain


Re: Painting brass

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m guessing you’re using Scalecoat or Scalecoat II? What about other paints like Tru Color? Do you still bake?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Painting brass

 

brass is fussy
Remove any factory clear coat, worst part of the job
Wash
Soak in white vinegar
wash
Prime
Bake
Colour coats, bake

Don't touch clean brass with fingers

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 2020-04-11 7:22 p.m., Clark Propst wrote:

Would like to know what prep work folks do before laying on color?
Thanks, appreciate it!
CW Propst


Re: HO Freight cars for sale

Armand Premo
 

Brian,Please send me your list.Thank you.Armand Premo

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 8:07 PM Brian Carlson via groups.io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I’m clearing out some excess inventory and projects. I have some plastic and one F&C resin kits as well as plastic RTR cars up for sale. No sunshine cars in this batch.  If you’d like a list email me off-list at prrk41361 AT yahoo DOT com

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


HO Freight cars for sale

Brian Carlson
 

I’m clearing out some excess inventory and projects. I have some plastic and one F&C resin kits as well as plastic RTR cars up for sale. No sunshine cars in this batch.  If you’d like a list email me off-list at prrk41361 AT yahoo DOT com

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service

David Soderblom
 

A lovely image with so much going on:

- Such skinny logs for that long ago; not old-growth at all, and with tangled branches.  Not worth harvesting for many outfits at that time.
- A recently constructed mill: the paint and roof lines are so tidy.  What’s the long diagonal building extension going to in the background?  It looks like a factory building with its windows on lower storeys, so many uses for the sawdust or scrap?
- Note how the top logs in the foreground car extend over the car end, coupler, and to the next car.  Not kosher, unless the cars were intended to be a single shipment unit.
- The steam crane at the far end: for unloading the cars?  Most sawmills had better means than that, although those were specifically for log cars, as opposed to gons, where the logs have ti lifted over the sides.  Was this a highly unusual movement, justifying the photo?
- Steam everywhere.  Talk about the steam era.  1930s, to judge by the cars to the right.

And the obvious question:  Why UCR cars?  Logs from Utah?!


David Soderblom
Baltimore MD


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Randy Hammill
 

I would guess Rapido would know. Have you checked with them? They have email and are on Facebook too. Bill Schneider might see this and reply too.

It is a hand-finished pre-production sample, and depending on how early in the process is probably from 3D-printed masters. But it is worth telling them sooner rather than later, because if it's not altered in the CAD prior to cutting tooling, then it's much more expensive to fix.

Randy

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: Painting brass

J. Craig Whitcomb
 




On Apr 11, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:



brass is fussy
Remove any factory clear coat, worst part of the job
Wash
Soak in white vinegar
wash
Prime
Bake
Colour coats, bake

Don't touch clean brass with fingers

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2020-04-11 7:22 p.m., Clark Propst wrote:
Would like to know what prep work folks do before laying on color?
Thanks, appreciate it!
CW Propst


Re: Painting brass

Pierre Oliver
 

brass is fussy
Remove any factory clear coat, worst part of the job
Wash
Soak in white vinegar
wash
Prime
Bake
Colour coats, bake

Don't touch clean brass with fingers

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2020-04-11 7:22 p.m., Clark Propst wrote:

Would like to know what prep work folks do before laying on color?
Thanks, appreciate it!
CW Propst


Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:

 I notice a worker is about to enter (or perhaps has just emerged from) the interior of the chlorine tank car via the dome (or should I say bonnet?). I wonder what procedure they followed to make sure the interior was fully purged of any residual chlorine. No safety or rescue equipment of any sort in sight! I used to work for an industrial gas company back in the 1980s, this breaks every safety rule we were ever taught!! Now how about someone modeling THIS scene!?!

       Note in that photo (the second one) that there IS no bonnet. It has been removed. An installed bonnet has no manway at all. This car must be being repaired. And I think I see the top of a ladder under the raised arm of the workman in the car, but that might just be one of the bolts that fastens the bonnet.
       Impossible to know how the car had been purged, or how long it sat with the open access, so I don't think we can critique the safety measures in use.

Tony Thompson




Re: Photos: Hooker Tank Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim and Friends,

Well . . . I'm wondering if you are serious about this statement. The black cars with white or silver lettering are obvious. The cars with orange ends and the black band at the dome are equally obvious, even in black-and-white photos. I don't think these are going to be missed by anybody.

Or am I just humor challenged today? Being caged up might be taking its toll.


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 3:40 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

The orange and black Hooker paint scheme is shown in builder photos from
before World War II.

Of course the photos are all black & white, making this less obvious. :-)




On 4/11/2020 3:28 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
> Friends,
>
> Yesterday someone asked when the orange paint scheme was applied to
> Hooker tank cars. I'm not sure anyone answered. A clue is in the photo
> of GATX 24784 at
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/42 .
> The car appears to be new, and the date on the tank reads 9-53. Now
> this may not be one of the first cars in the orange paint, but it is a
> start.
>
> Yours Aye,
>
>
> Garth Groff


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

 
I notice a worker is about to enter (or perhaps has just emerged from) the interior of the chlorine tank car via the dome (or should I say bonnet?). I wonder what procedure they followed to make sure the interior was fully purged of any residual chlorine. No safety or rescue equipment of any sort in sight! I used to work for an industrial gas company back in the 1980s, this breaks every safety rule we were ever taught!! Now how about someone modeling THIS scene!?!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 

From: mark_landgraf via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Comp
 
It looks like a drawbar from the trailer hitch of the truck to coupler of the car for the purpose of moving the car around the facility. 
 
Mark Landgraf


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:12 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
<claus@...> wrote:
Hi Bob and List Members,
 
Thanks Bob for these great links. I notice in the image of TELX 224 that there appears to be the tailgate of a truck. Two items of interest...
 
(1) The truck bed appears to be holding chlorine cannisters that may be similar to those used on chlorine cannister railroad cars
 
(2) There appears to be a rod or pipe between the car TELX 224 and the back of the truck – what does the rest of the group make of this?
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:41 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars
 

Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars

These black-and-white photos are from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Archives:

TELX 210

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/11668/rec/10

TELX 224

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/4899/rec/155

TELX 307

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17891/rec/50

TELX 308

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5388/rec/64

Use the slider above the photos to enlarge them.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

12101 - 12120 of 183573