Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI
I can't read the numbers on the other cars clearly, but the closest two were built as auto cars with end doors, 205800-206199.
Most of this series was listed as XM cars in 1935, but about 64 were listed as XA cars with the end doors permanently closed. Interesting that one has a steel roof and the other doesn't. Paul Krueger Seattle, WA
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
Richard Wilkens
Here is a very early photo of SP&S 10092 C.T., probably shortly after being built.
Rich Wilkens
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SP&S Freight Cars from Salvaged Freight Cars
Richard Wilkens
Here is a list of the foreign road cars that were wrecked on the SP&S and were salvaged and rebuilt for maintenance of way and commercial service. This list does not include the hundreds of freight cars purchased from parent roads GN & NP as well as the hundreds of second hand drop bottom gondolas purchased to be converted to woodchip cars.
Rich Wilkens B&A 39280 to SP&S X-303 (Box car used as cable car) MOW, AFE 7647, October 1945 C&NW 122524 to SP&S X-285 (Outfit box car) MOW, AFE 7690, October 1945 CB&Q 44351 to SP&S X-144 (Box car water service), MOW, AFE 5951, July 1935 D&H 23754 to SP&S X-14 (Outfit box car) MOW, AFE 7270, December 1943 FGE 31660 to SP&S X-357 (Ice car, end bunkers removed), MOW, AFE 7617, June 1945 GN 65059 to SP&S X-146 (Flat car, GN car wrecked at North Bonneville, WA) MOW, AFE 6457, December 1938 N&W 84300 to SP&S X-356 (Ice car, end bunkers removed), MOW, AFE 7617, June 1945 NP 13815 to SP&S X-12 (Outfit flat car), MOW, AFE 7166, June 1943 NP 39762 to X-300 (Outfit box car), MOW, AFE 7028, December 1941 NP 44264 to X-9 (Idler car for wrecker), MOW, AFE 3920, September 1923 NP 69880 to SP&S X-6 (Flat car), MOW, AFE 4480, February 1926 NYNH&H 79835 to SP&S X-25 (Flat car), MOW, AFE 3131, April 1920 CRI&P 62119 to SP&S X-124 (Cook and dining car, RI car destroyed by fire at Vancouver, WA March 6, 1926), MOW, AFE 4617, June 1926 SDRX 6112 to SP&S X-84 (Water tank car), MOW, AFE 7592, August 1945 SDRX 6151 to SP&S X-85 (Water tank car), MOW, AFE 7592, August 1945 SLSF 147645 to SP&S X-86 (Flat car fitted with old 4,000 gal. tender oil cistern and used to hold water), MOW, AFE 7573, April 1945 SP 24332 (Box) to SP&S X-111 (Outfit flat car, mounting car for crane X-37) MOW, AFE 6893, August 1941 UP 13500 (Box) to SP&S 32003 (Flat car built from salvage of UP 13500 destroyed by fire at Amber, WA on September 1, 1916), Commercial service (later to MOW X-29), AFE 1665, February 1917
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Re: Utah Coal Route steel gons in log service
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Tim has (probably unintentionally) garbled his statement a little. The 300-ft. trees on the Olympic Peninsula are Douglas fir, not spruce (for record spruce trees, visit Vancouver Island). Lodgepoles 100 feet tall would be a VERY tall tree of that species. As I said, this doesn't CONTRADICT what Tim said, hopefully clarifies it. Tony Thompson
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Re: Photo: Poultry Car
Lester Breuer
Bob thanks for sharing. Interesting photo.
First photo I have seen with the what I am guessing is the door to the center aisle out of the car attendant’s quarters or is it the side of the cages? Lester Breuer
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Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI
John Larkin
That shot highlights 3 Milwaukee boxcars with 3 different paint schemes. I'm not a Milwaukee expert by any means but the cars appear to be built to the same plan. That's one of the best pix I've ever seen illustrating how paint schemes can vary on what appears to be identical cars. John Larkin
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:09:21 PM CDT, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:
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Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
John Larkin
Next to last photo was on e-bay for a while a couple of months ago. I'm not sure whose station is shown there but multiple railroads ran through here. I'm going to have to dig out my old Omaha map to be accurate. John Larkin
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19:28 PM CDT, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:
In the fifth picture, I have doubts about it being a pickle car. It certainly looks similar to a pickle car but all pickle cars I have seen images of were owned by a pickle packing company. This car has Kansas City Southern on it. What else could it be hauling? I have no idea. Something briny or acidic, it would seem. Could KCS have a car they leased to a pickle producer? A partial number might end in 24. Chuck Peck On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:04 PM Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:
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Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
John Larkin
The first picture may likely be cinders used for fill. Many years ago when UP built the cut-off through Omaha (bypassing the original line south of there) they built massive trestles. These were filled in by dumping fill over until today's mainline was finished - this was quite a fill and required lots of material and dumping cinders was a very good way to get rid of them and fill in the trestles at the same time. If you ever pass through Omaha on I-80 the fill is very evident and extends for about 3+ miles. Except for the lighting (I-80 is north of the railroad) it would be a great photo place. John Larkin
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19:28 PM CDT, Charles Peck <lnnrr152@...> wrote:
In the fifth picture, I have doubts about it being a pickle car. It certainly looks similar to a pickle car but all pickle cars I have seen images of were owned by a pickle packing company. This car has Kansas City Southern on it. What else could it be hauling? I have no idea. Something briny or acidic, it would seem. Could KCS have a car they leased to a pickle producer? A partial number might end in 24. Chuck Peck On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:04 PM Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
I've yet to see eave boards on a "as built", Bill. Can you provide photos of any "as builts" with them on the car? Can they not be added quite easily with a piece of Evergreen strip? I'm picky , too, but when a product is offered the way the original version was built and it is advertized in this case as as a USRA Double Sheathed, NOT as a MODIFIED USRA double sheathed, how can I complain? I still prefer the Ertl model as they are usually three for the price of one new Rapido and I still feel that operating doors on injection molded box car models in HO scale ought to br mandatory but that's my gripe, not everyone elses! Just saw too many empties rolling even into the 1980's with their doors wide open and still vividly remember passing a northbound freight paralleling I-5 somewhere north of Fresno in Aug. 1982 with three kids sitting in a boxcar with their feet hanging out and a dog sitting there with them. How are you going to model that in any time period if the darn door won't open??? Happy Easter, Don Valentine
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
Jack Mullen
Bill,
As-Built, the metal roofing just wraps over the top of the sides. No fascia. Presence of a fascia indicates a replacement roof, and at that point various owners' choices diverge, and other mods may also appear. Jack Mullen
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Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
In the fifth picture, I have doubts about it being a pickle car. It certainly looks similar to a pickle car but all pickle cars I have seen images of were owned by a pickle packing company. This car has Kansas City Southern on it. What else could it be hauling? I have no idea. Something briny or acidic, it would seem. Could KCS have a car they leased to a pickle producer? A partial number might end in 24. Chuck Peck
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:04 PM Paul Krueger <kruegerp12@...> wrote:
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Re: Tamiya primer (was [RealSTMFC] Painting brass)
Mont Switzer
Back when I had more time than money I built my own spray painting booth. That was over 40 years ago. I took an end from a wooden wire reel abut 24 inches in diameter and cut
it in half so I had a semi-circular top and bottom. I made a back from sheet aluminum. The booth is about 2 feet tall because this is how wide the aluminum was. I braced the booth with 1 x 2 sofe pine and installed a bathroom fan in the back. It pulls
the air through two 20 x 20 furnace air filters. I hooked a clothes drier hose to the fan outlet and ran it to a dryer outlet. I used to hang the hose out the window when painting, but later replaced a basement window panel with aluminum and an exterior
dryer outlet for a permanent and more suitable year round installation. Then I installed a light bulb in the booth and have been using it ever since. I set the booth on an old cabinet the correct height for standing at the booth. The cabinet stores my
painting jigs, holders and other painting supplies.
I use a small portable air supply with compressor and air reservoir like you buy at a farm and fleet store. I built a quick disconnect brass manifold out of brass fittings so I can have two airbrushes connected to the compressor at the same time. Of
course the manifold is in line after the obligatory water trap and pressure adjustment valve. I wired the paint booth to receive the air compressor electrical chord and work light so that with the flip of one switch the light and fan come on and other controls
the air compressor.
All of this is in a small space just off of the laundry room shared by the electric water heater and south staging for the layout.
I used to paint a lot of brass for myself an others. Some manufacturers used a clear coat to protect the brass. Others just painted the model a brass color no doubt to hide some sloppy soldering. As Tim O'Connor suggests, you can soak a lot of this
over coating off with lacquer thinner, but it always seemed to require some hand work for a complete job. I soon learned that the overcoats were usually pretty thin and even (Overland Models was great), and it held paint well. I therefore began spraying
over the clear coat unless it was exceptionally heavy. I still used gray primer under red and lighter colors. This worked fine when using lacquer based paint like Scalecoat 1.
I invested in a media blasting both for those situations where the clear coat or a failed pant application had to come off. I bought my media blasting booth from a tool catalog; some assembly required. I rigged it up for
use with a cheap hobby media blasting airbrush like gun. I have a second air compressor which lives in the garage so I rigged up with quick disconnect fittings so I could use it for other household tasks. The
booth lives on a wheeled cart in the garage. I prefer to roll it outside when using it, weather permitting, even when using the booth. Lacquer thinner first and tidy it up with the media blasting. This also etches the surface slightly for paint adherence.
I recycle the media by using it over and over. I have not bought any in years. I'm
always amazed how you can media blast paint and
lettering off of a styrene model, but it has no affect on the details. I've also undone some bad (overdone) weathering with this tool.
I always made sure Mrs. Switzer had a state of the art electric oven in the kitchen. I like freshly baked fruit pies. This is also where I bake on the lacquer based paint applied to brass models. I have my own set of hand-me-down cookie sheets for this
process and have to make an appointment to use the oven. Not trusting the thermostat of the oven(s) I pre-heat it to 150 degrees and then shut it off. I then slide brass model on the cookie sheet in the oven and leave it for an hour. The paint dries to
a very hard finish. When applying multiple color paint schemes the hard baked finish takes masking well. Just remember, start with light colors and end with dark colors.
I prefer to paint with lacquer based paints and weather with water or alcohol based medial and weathering powders. Remember, one of the best ways to hide a bad paint job is weathering. I've weathered my way out of more than one mess.
Lastly, don't scrimp where it comes to your personal Safety. I have a good quality respirator and use it. Plan B is a particle mask. If you don't believe paint and blasting media can get into your lungs just blow your nose on a white tissue after you
are done painting or blasting. What you get will be the color of your project that day.
Mont Switzer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Nelson Moyer [npmoyer@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 11:27 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: Tamiya primer (was [RealSTMFC] Painting brass) Yep, mass painting doesn’t work with that paint, though I once primed twelve stock cars in a makeshift cardboard paint booth in the garage. I still prime in the garage, but I do one car at a time using paint handles. I made four handles, so I can do four cars in a session. My paint booth is a fairly small Paasche, and using rattle cans really messes it up due to the wider pattern than an airbrush. Rather than cleaning the paint booth after every rattle car session, I wait for warm, dry day without too much wind (rare in Iowa), open the garage door, and set up a temporary bench of plywood on saw horses, and paint in the garage. Because Tamiya dries so fast, there isn’t any wet overspray except on the plywood, the rest is just powder as you’ve experienced. Of course I use a respirator and gloves, but because the garage door is open, and because Tamiya dries so fast, the fumes are mostly gone after 10-15 minutes.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Nelson
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June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
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FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
I was looking at photos on the Library of Congress website and found these from Omaha with freight cars. Most were taken November 1938, but I think one is from 1941. Paul Krueger Seattle, WA Union Stock Yards - boxcars in the background Grain elevators - CGW boxcars in the midground, SAL box in the background, and what is that on the side of the boxcar behind the RI locomotive in the foreground? CGW boxcar close-up (too bad the photographer wasn't back a foot or so) American Smelting and Refining - nice cut of freight cars across the middle of the photo, is that a pickle car in the middle? Two rail cranes in the photo too. Another view of American Smelting, but the freight cars are more distant Unloading sheep at the stock yards - MILW stock car being unloaded, Quaker City Live Stock Express stock car in the background with part of a RI stock car. Close-up of sheep being loaded into a stock car Stock yards - decent view of ARLX 11801 on the right Omaha rail yard - good views of roofs and ends Omaha elevated view - some freight cars in the lower left corner
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Re: Photo: Poultry Car
Ray Breyer
LPTC, please. The X didn't come until after 1926. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 11:44:07 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
I would guess the marks are LPTX. I can read TRANSIT on the sill under the door. I would assume this is a Live Poultry Transit Company car LPTX. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: Painting brass
Fred Jansz
Dip the model in thinner overnight, blast with alu oxide, wash & dry, then a light mist of Vallejo gray primer, paint with Tru-Color, decal and finish with Vallejo satin.
Fred Jansz
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Re: Photo: Poultry Car
Eric Hansmann
I would guess the marks are LPTX. I can read TRANSIT on the sill under the door. I would assume this is a Live Poultry Transit Company car LPTX.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On Apr 12, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:
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Re: More WP West Coast Meat Reefer Data
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Fred, I suppose there were reefer blocks within hot freight trains as a convenience for re-icing enroute. What I meant to imply is that most of the customers had sidings with a very short capacity, and probably would receive only one or two cars at a time, especially on the WP. At least on the WP you probably wouldn't see long trains of nothing but meat reefers. Maybe Tony or some of the other SP fans would have more information about meat reefers on the SP's Overland route. Yours Aye, Garth
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:43 AM Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote: Wow!
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Photo: GN Boxcar 24368 - Beer & Forward Facing Rocky
Photo: GN Boxcar 24368 - Beer & Forward Facing Rocky A 1937 photo from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Collections: http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/35581/rec/1698 Description: "A Great Northern freight car advertises Columbia Breweries "First Car Load Shipment of Canned Beer out of a Pacific Northwest Brewery, Leadership, Alt Heidelberg Guest Beer". In 1936 the company reported that they were the first of the Northwest brewers to introduce canned beer in the territory of Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Alaska." Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: Poultry Car
Photo: Poultry Car A photo from the Digital Horizons (http://www.digitalhorizonsonline.org/digital/about) website: http://www.digitalhorizonsonline.org/digital/collection/ndshs-dm/id/432/rec/375 Description: "A railroad freight car that is loaded with poultry from Jamestown, N.D. There is a door in the center of the railroad car, and open air traveling compartments on either side for the poultry. There are crates on the right, and buildings in the background." "No later than 1926" Can anyone make out the reporting marks? Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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