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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Richard Wilkens
SP&S had two Lidgerwood's, L-1 and L-2 that were put in service in 1910. The machinery for L-1 was purchased from Northern Pacific in 1908 and the car was assembled by the SP&S from parts from wrecked Dirt Car No. 1071 which was destroyed at Vancouver in August 1910. Its not clear if the machinery for L-2 was purchased used or new, it was mounted on Columbia River & Northern Flat Car No. 331. Both Lidgerwood's were retired in 1938 on AFE 6383.
Rich Wilkens Archivist, SP&S Railway Historical Society
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MP USRA gon, was FSA/OWI photos
David
The original USRA gons used a windup shaft mechanism for the doors. Wine door locks were used on a number of copies built in the 1920s, and sometimes retrofitted to the originals.
David Thompson
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Re: boxcar roof mystery
Guy Wilber
Dennis wrote:
“Seems I recall the NKP had some auto cars that were built based on an earlier design, where it was found the new diagonal pressing interfered with the loaders, and so the cars were built with diagonal panels EXCEPT for two; those were the older rectangular design to gibe the needed clearance.“
Dennis,
The "mixed panel" roofs were discussed some time ago:
Ed Hawkins wrote:
"Dave, I have confirmed the following cars having the combination diagonal
panel/Murphy panel roofs. There were probably more. All were auto cars with 15' wide door openings built new with these roofs. You have already referenced Tony's book and some specific SP cars. D&TS 5000-5099, 2-55, Greenville MP 88900-88999, 6-57, MP NJI&I 3300-3399, 1-51, ACF NKP 86100-86249, 12-49, ACF NKP 86200-86349, 1-55, Greenville Numerous SP cars, 1950-1956, all built by SP WAB 19800-19999, 5-53, ACF WAB 20000-20199," Guy Wilber wrote:
"Ed, Other than the SP cars, none of the above cars were equipped with Auto~Loaders. The balance were in parts service. Whether, or not, the cars were purchased by the respective roads contemplating installation of Auto~Loaders I do not know. Until Evans developed the Type "F" with a boom hoist and the Type "G" the rectangular panel was required to facilitate the supports for the lifting sheave hanger frame and the similar frame that supported the safety hook assembly used to secure the racks when stored against the roof of cars. Evidently, Evans lift assemblies were also used within auto parts cars utilized for shipping car bodies. I have some literature on the system but have yet to find a complete installation drawing. I believe that may offer another connection to the mixed panel roofs." Regards,
Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can
Nelson Moyer
I haven’t used Tamiya dull coat, so I can’t comment directly. I have seen a little white powder accumulation on SS car Z-channel when I got overzealous with Model Master Clear Flat and put down a wet coat. The talc or whatever they use tends to settle next to vertical details, on ladder stiles and rungs, or on grab irons, etc. The best way to avoid that is to use a couple of light passes, let it dry, and it it’s not flat enough, repeat the application. Also shake the can frequently to keep the particulate suspended and evenly mixed. I never had that problem with Dullcote, and I don’t use acrylic flats because they cloud the paint color. I’ve never had enough powder accumulation to have to redo a car. The slight white residue I’ve seen can be covered during weathering, since it’s already in location that accumulate dirt and grime.
Sometimes Dullcote will cloud if it’s sprayed on a humid day. If it’s not too bad, spray Testors Universal Thinner on the car and let it day, If it’s bad, you can try brushing the thinner on with a wide flat brush and let it dry, but you risk ruining decals if they’re not well sealed.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of John Riddell
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:57 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can
Has anyone sprayed Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 from the can ?
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Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can
Paul Doggett
That’s the French chalk it’s the flatting agent in the varnish. I have not used Tamiya but I had it happen with Humbrol matt varnish you really have to shake the can especially if it’s been stored for some time.
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On 14 Apr 2020, at 12:57, John Riddell <riddellj@...> wrote:
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Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can
John Riddell
Has anyone sprayed Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 from the can ?
On several occasions it has left a WHITE POWDER RESIDUE on the model. Has anyone experienced this ? John Riddell
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Re: Photos: Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Company Tank Cars
Mark Vinski
Is the truck being used to move the car with a connection to the coupler?
Mark Vinski
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Chuck Soule
I am aware that the Northern Pacific had a Lidgerwood at their Auburn, WA engine facility, but I am not sure I could find a picture of it in our current lockdown situation.
Chuck Soule
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Re: Photo: Boiler Loads
Allen Cain
I sent the link to the photo to Multiscale Digital who produces some really nice freight car loads. He will produce it in the near future and based on other items that I have bought from him, it will be a quality piece. Luckily the photo has two of the large boilers loaded in opposite directions so he can see all four sides. If you have not seen his loads, check them out on Ebay or on his site: And no, I have not stake in his company. Allen Cain
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
I guess I should step in here and mention the issue #7 of my newsletter WORK EXTRA is all about the Lidgerwood Rapid Unloader, including all the photos I have of them and plans. Those interested in purchasing a copy can contact me at the above e-mail address.
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita springs, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...> To: main <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2020 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: Lidgerwoods There is an excellent full page article on the C&NW Lidgerwood car pulling a ten wheeler backwards at the 40th Street shops in Chicago. The brake shoes are replaced with cutters to reshape the tire back into the proper contour without having to use a drop pit. The article has two pictures and drawings of the cutters. I cannot scan so it is on page 42 of Volume II C&NW in Color by Lloyd Keyser published by Morning Sun.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:48 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Don Valentine wrote:
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Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI
John Barry
Thanks Doug, I have a full set of the RPCs and have only begun to scratch the surface. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 08:16:04 PM EDT, Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> wrote:
Just about all meat packers used leased reefers from the 30s on. Those reefers could have the meat packers reporting marks or could have the reporting marks of the owner. Union Refrigeration, General American, Mather, North American were all major players in the leased meat reefer market. Even companies that had their own reporting marks, also used reefers with the owner’s reporting marks and the meat packers name or logo.
Dubuque, leased from several companies, including both Union Refrigeration and General American. I don’t have a color photo of a Dubuque meat reefer in the P/L as shown in the photo. But I do have a b/w photo, see attached.
URTX cars tended to be more orange, which can be verified by looking through Gene Green’s Refrigerator Color Guide by Morning Sun. This book has the later Dubuque scheme, but not the earlier P/L as seen in the 1941 MILW yard photo.
Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #14 has photos of General American Meat reefers, including a photo of car leased to Dubuque on p. 90. It is not lettered for Dubuque and has URTX reporting marks. Remember General American purchased Union Refrigeration in 1929.
Note the color variations on the two MDT reefers just beyond the Northern Refrigerator Car Co reefer.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Barry
Also of note is the URTX meat reefer marked for Dubuque Packing Company. What color is that, orange? Very different from the adjacent Northern Refrigerator to the right or the Milwaukee branded car to the left. And the dark lettering contrasts with the white seen on the tonally similar MILW boxes in the forground.
John Barry
ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA
707-490-9696
PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 02:03:13 PM EDT, John Larkin via groups.io <jflarkingrc@...> wrote:
That shot highlights 3 Milwaukee boxcars with 3 different paint schemes. I'm not a Milwaukee expert by any means but the cars appear to be built to the same plan. That's one of the best pix I've ever seen illustrating how paint schemes can vary on what appears to be identical cars.
John Larkin
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:09:21 PM CDT, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Lloyd Keyser
There is an excellent full page article on the C&NW Lidgerwood car pulling a ten wheeler backwards at the 40th Street shops in Chicago. The brake shoes are replaced with cutters to reshape the tire back into the proper contour without having to use a drop pit. The article has two pictures and drawings of the cutters. I cannot scan so it is on page 42 of Volume II C&NW in Color by Lloyd Keyser published by Morning Sun.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:48 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
It's a poor copy but you will get the idea.
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MP USRA gon, was FSA/OWI photos
mopacfirst
Looking closer at the broadside photo of the MP gon, the door latches are plainly visible. The MP diagram says these are Wine.
But I've also noticed that on the Intermountain model, there are no latches. Were there some drop door designs that didn't need these? I'm assuming not, but I'd like to throw that question out. Back to the prototype, there are four guys shoveling the contents over the side. Their aim was pretty good, since there are four discrete piles on the embankment. The doors probably wouldn't have been a good idea here. After these 3000 cars were built in 1919, MoPac ordered 750 clones in 1925, with 10 drop doors instead of 8. In typical MP practice, along with the AB brake upgrade the cars also got power brake gear Moving forward in time, by 1949 a number of the original cars were rebuilt with steel sides. The last of them lasted to the late fifties. Another note on the diagram says 'a few of these cars are fitted up to haul containers', meaning the small Youngstown limestone containers. Ron Merrick
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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box
bill woelfel
Thats not really a wrecker, looks more like a locomotive crane for handling material, note the long, non solid boom. This may have been all that was available at the time, but still.......... I operated cranes like this at my brief tenure on the C&NW Proviso, Il. in the 70's. Never tried to lift a car. Bill W
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
A little OT, Lidgerwood is still in business, they make car pullers and ship winches.
-Hudson
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Tony Thompson
Don Valentine wrote:
Of course, but you no doubt realize that pulling the drivers off a steam locomotive to take them to the lathe might be more trouble that the Lidgerwood method, which is carried on without disassembling the running gear. Photo below, taken in 1949 at West Oakland. You can see the cable heading off to the left that pulls the locomotive (Arnold Menke collection). For those interested, the flat car is an old F-50-2. Tony Thompson
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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hi Tony, Jeez Tony, I thought that's what the made wheel lathes for! I'd like to see a photo of that. Thanks for offering one. Not sure when it was retired but know where to check. The Rutland had one at least up into the early into the early 1940's and rented it to the St.J. & L.C. from time to time as well. I'd agree that it must have been really tough on the ballast cars especially when any curvature of the track occurred, which we know it did quite often. The photos I have are evidence of that as well. Still neat equipment to my mind, however. Steam operated and mechanical. What could be better?? My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Boiler Loads
WILLIAM PARDIE
Can anyone suggest proper cribbing for a boiler load such as this? Bull Pardie Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> Date: 4/13/20 12:47 PM (GMT-10:00) To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boiler Loads Bob, And it's on a WP flat car. WP 2614 was part of series 2401-2700. These were ordered from Mt. Vernon, but actually built by AC&F. They are 50' cars, and were a match for series 2351-2400 built in 1937 by PC&F. Chad Boas offers a resin kit that matches either group. Yours Aye, Garth Groff 🦆 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:48 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
Close examination shows missing boards in a couple of spots!
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of G.J. Irwin <groups@...>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 5:27 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941 Unloading 'coal' (looks like cinders or gravel to me) - MP USRA gondola
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8a03846/ I dare say (and it IS "dare" in this group!) that the 1960's tooled Bachmann/Parkway issue N Scale model of this car doesn't look that bad against the prototype. This general MP paint scheme was offered. (It certainly helps that the view is from rather far away...) George Irwin
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