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Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods

Hudson Leighton
 

It's a poor copy but you will get the idea.


MP USRA gon, was FSA/OWI photos

mopacfirst
 

Looking closer at the broadside photo of the MP gon, the door latches are plainly visible.  The MP diagram says these are Wine.

But I've also noticed that on the Intermountain model, there are no latches.  Were there some drop door designs that didn't need these?  I'm assuming not, but I'd like to throw that question out.

Back to the prototype, there are four guys shoveling the contents over the side.  Their aim was pretty good, since there are four discrete piles on the embankment.  The doors probably wouldn't have been a good idea here.

After these 3000 cars were built in 1919, MoPac ordered 750 clones in 1925, with 10 drop doors instead of 8.  In typical MP practice, along with the AB brake upgrade the cars also got power brake gear  Moving forward in time, by 1949 a number of the original cars were rebuilt with steel sides.  The last of them lasted to the late fifties.

Another note on the diagram says 'a few of these cars are fitted up to haul containers', meaning the small Youngstown limestone containers.

Ron Merrick


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

bill woelfel
 

Thats not really a wrecker, looks more like a locomotive crane for handling material, note the long, non solid  boom. This may have been all that was available at the time, but still..........

I operated cranes like this at my brief tenure on the C&NW  Proviso, Il. in the 70's.  Never tried to lift a car.    Bill W


Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods

Hudson Leighton
 

A little OT, Lidgerwood is still in business, they make car pullers and ship winches.

-Hudson


Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:

     Jeez Tony, I thought that's what the made wheel lathes for! I'd like to see a photo of that. 

   Of course, but you no doubt realize that pulling the drivers off a steam locomotive to take them to the lathe might be more trouble that the Lidgerwood method, which is carried on without disassembling the running gear. Photo below, taken in 1949 at West Oakland. You can see the cable heading off to the left that pulls the locomotive (Arnold Menke collection). For those interested, the flat car is an old F-50-2. 

Tony Thompson



Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Hi Tony, 

     Jeez Tony, I thought that's what the made wheel lathes for! I'd like to see a photo of that. Thanks for
offering one.

      Not sure when it was retired but know where to check. The Rutland had one at least up into the 
early into the early 1940's and rented it to the St.J. & L.C. from time to time as well. I'd agree that it
must have been really tough on the ballast cars especially when any curvature of the track occurred,
which we know it did quite often. The photos I have are evidence of that as well. Still neat equipment
to my mind, however. Steam operated and mechanical. What could be better??

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Boiler Loads

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Can anyone suggest proper cribbing for a boiler load such as this?

Bull Pardie



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Date: 4/13/20 12:47 PM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Boiler Loads

Bob,

And it's on a WP flat car. WP 2614 was part of series 2401-2700. These were ordered from Mt. Vernon, but actually built by AC&F. They are 50' cars, and were a match for series 2351-2400 built in 1937 by PC&F. Chad Boas offers a resin kit that matches either group.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:48 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Boiler Loads

A 1948 photo from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Collections:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1807

Description: "Two flatcars with boilers, Birchfield Boiler. Giant boilers wait on flatcars for shipment to Southern California. The largest will be installed in the new building of the General Petroleum Corp. of Los Angeles. The Birchfield Boiler facilities can be seen in the background. The plant was also completing an order for 25 large pressure tanks complete with copper heating coils for the US Army in addition to approximately 400 tank heaters for the army."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

Bruce Smith
 

Close examination shows missing boards in a couple of spots!
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941
 
Unloading 'coal' (looks like cinders or gravel to me) - MP USRA gondola
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8a03846/ 

I dare say (and it IS "dare" in this group!) that the 1960's tooled Bachmann/Parkway issue N Scale model of this car doesn't look that bad against the prototype.  This  general MP paint scheme was offered.  (It certainly helps that the view is from rather far away...)

George Irwin


Re: Photo: Boiler Loads

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Bob,

And it's on a WP flat car. WP 2614 was part of series 2401-2700. These were ordered from Mt. Vernon, but actually built by AC&F. They are 50' cars, and were a match for series 2351-2400 built in 1937 by PC&F. Chad Boas offers a resin kit that matches either group.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:48 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Boiler Loads

A 1948 photo from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Collections:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1807

Description: "Two flatcars with boilers, Birchfield Boiler. Giant boilers wait on flatcars for shipment to Southern California. The largest will be installed in the new building of the General Petroleum Corp. of Los Angeles. The Birchfield Boiler facilities can be seen in the background. The plant was also completing an order for 25 large pressure tanks complete with copper heating coils for the US Army in addition to approximately 400 tank heaters for the army."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996

Richard Remiarz
 

Nicely done car Bill!  I also bought some of these “just in case” and have one more to build. 

 

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

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From: Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Riding the Rods Part 2 GN 9996

 

Here is a Great Northern truss rod boxcar inspired by a circa 1954 photo by the late Bruce Meyer built w/a Westerfield kit I ordered when Al announced he was retiring and selling his business. i ordered several kits "just in case" he did not find a buyer—Thank you Andrew Dahm! Pretty much out-of-the-box except for the scratch built Running Board system, and the brass wire and brass turnbuckles for the underframe. Decals are from the kit plus the GN medallion from a Microscale set as I wanted to exactly copy the reference photo I used. The only variance is the GN reweigh location because I could not find the "Q" I needed. Obviously need to install the brake wheel. Painted w/Badger's "Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red."

Bill Welch

 


Re: FSA/OWI photos - Omaha 1938, 1941

G.J. Irwin
 

Unloading 'coal' (looks like cinders or gravel to me) - MP USRA gondola
https://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8a03846/ 

I dare say (and it IS "dare" in this group!) that the 1960's tooled Bachmann/Parkway issue N Scale model of this car doesn't look that bad against the prototype.  This  general MP paint scheme was offered.  (It certainly helps that the view is from rather far away...)

George Irwin


Re: June 1941. "Railroad yards. Milwaukee, WI

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

Please notice the newest paint scheme with the herald (third car) still has a wood roof.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 01:03:13 PM CDT, John Larkin via groups.io <jflarkingrc@...> wrote:


That shot highlights 3 Milwaukee boxcars with 3 different paint schemes.  I'm not a Milwaukee expert by any means but the cars appear to be built to the same plan.  That's one of the best pix I've ever seen illustrating how paint schemes can vary on what appears to be identical cars.

John Larkin

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:09:21 PM CDT, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:



Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:

The chief use of a Lidgerwood on a railroad was to pull a plow through a series of
open ended gondola type cars with side doors to place ballast or fill outside of the rails. I've never seen one except
in a bunch of photos I have and I've never heard of anyone modeling one. Does anyone have any photos of just
the LIdgerwood itself rather than the whole train with one included?

   Don, two comments. First, after about 1915, very few railroads used Lidgerwoods for plowing out side-door ballast cars. It was TERRIBLY hard on the cars. Second point, lots of railroads did use Lidgerwoods to pull locomotives (with cutters in place of brake shoes) for wheel tire contour truing. There are several pictures of the SP practice in Bob Church's steam books. I can send one if you like.

Tony Thompson




Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Bill Welch
 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 03:39 PM, Donald B. Valentine wrote:
Perhaps the easient way to widen the Rapido roof so it overlaps an added fascia strip would be to cut it in half lengthwise with a razor saw and add a small strip of styrene in the middle where the running board should be able to hide it well and less work is required to have all looking "right". Don't you think this would work?
 
Cordially, Don Valentine
It probably would work, IF the roof can be removed easily.

Bill Welch


Re: Rapido diesel accuracy was RE: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

spsalso
 

Schyler,

I am glad I was able to clear up your error in making your assumption about SP&S people.  

I assure you, there are a goodly number of people, other than myself, that take the SP&S seriously, and advocate for it. 


Ed

Edward Sutorik






On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

What can I say?  My O(our) experience was different.

Schuyler

 

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Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Norm Buckhart
 

that’s not a problem - I will complete the sizing here - maybe half size or quarter size?


On Apr 13, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:

The coupler sits a bit low. I need to add a shim but I will install short shank couplers first. The flat car's couplers are at the right height.

Colin Meikle<couplerheight.jpg>


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Kemal Mumcu
 

The coupler sits a bit low. I need to add a shim but I will install short shank couplers first. The flat car's couplers are at the right height.

Colin Meikle


Re: Rapido diesel accuracy was RE: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

Schuyler Larrabee
 

What can I say?  My O(our) experience was different.

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: Rapido diesel accuracy was RE: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

 

Schuyler,

But, you see, I DID get in touch with Rapido.  I sent information to both Gareth and Bill, and they responded.  I came up with numerous photos, including ones I bought just for the purpose.  I offered opinions--informed opinions.

I think I made it clear that I would do everything I could to ensure the SP&S models were accurate.  One could at least imply that to be the case, if one thought about the amount of time I put in doing research.  I never once blew them off.  I never ignored a question.  I always tried to back up my statements with evidence.

So.  It is NOT in part "because".

They had everything they needed.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

gary laakso
 

Did the reduction in height lower the couplers?  If so, how did you adjust the couplers?

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Question re: upcoming Rapido USRA DS box

 

One thing about these Rapido cars that could be corrected is the incorrect ride height.  They ride high on the trucks.  This was the same problem with the NP cars.  I had to make a jig and sand down the excess bolster material to bring down the car to ride at the right height. 

A possible solution:  Make the cars with the correct bolster ride height and add a fitted washer to deliver the cars.  The toy train types will be happy and more discerning modelers can remove the washer to bring down the car to the right height. 

Colin Meikle

A video from the Pacific Great Eastern of a GN USRA being righted after a wreck.  From the mid-fifties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdtnVk2M3YU&t=2s


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcar roof mystery

Richard Townsend
 

What I remembered was B&O 370000-370099 class M-40 (later B-11), rebuilt from M-55c and M-55h.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Yes, P&LE also.
 
Elden Gatwood
 
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcar roof mystery
 
I seem to recall seeing some 40’ box cars that were stretched to 50’ using diagonal panels in the middle of the cars’ rectangular panels for the roof.


On Apr 13, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Dennis Storzek wrote:


 Seems I recall the NKP had some auto cars that were built based on an earlier design, where it was found the new diagonal pressing interfered with the loaders, and so the cars were built with diagonal panels EXCEPT for two; those were the older recangular design to gibe the needed clearance.
 
    SP built some automobile cars with such a feature, doubtless the same reason.
 
Tony Thompson
 
 
 

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