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Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

Joseph Melhorn
 

Hi Don,

Yes, Beaver Creek was the importer, Samhongsa was the builder and 1986 was the first year imported. Southern Pacific was the road, I have #6965 and I believe it is from the 1994 Run.

 

Joe Melhorn

Sahuarita, AZ

 


Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

Donald B. Valentine
 

   Did not Beaver Creek or some small importer bring in a run of silk cars around 1987? Was not 
something like that on display at the NMRA National at Eugene,OR that August. Cannot recall
what prototype but seem to recall something like that, Perhaps So Pac?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: National Soap Company Tank Car LBRX 201

Tim O'Connor
 

This photo has come up before - Someone said it carried fish oil

On 4/13/2020 2:50 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: National Soap Company Tank Car LBRX 201

A 1948 photo from the Tacoma Public Library Digital Collections:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32607/rec/680

Body sheets are single riveted.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Striker Castings

David
 

This is the striker of a USRA gon copy built for Cincinnati Indianapolis & Western in 1923:

https://imgur.com/a/yi08mMU

David Thompson


Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

Benjamin Hom
 

George Courtney wrote:
"My curiosity on Georgia Gondola is also aroused.  I respect Bill Welch's research but noted that Tichy decals show a black gondola.  I presume the difference is either two different time periods or different paint colors for different classes of Georgia gondolas.  I''m wanting to do a black gondola and saw the Tichy decals as a possible choice."

If you're taking a Tichy lettering diagram as gospel, I know a Nigerian prince that needs some help handling cash.  Behold these howlers:


Ben Hom




Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

George Courtney
 

My curiosity on Georgia Gondola is also aroused.  I respect Bill Welch's research but noted that Tichy decals show a black gondola.  I presume the difference is either two different time periods or different paint colors for different classes of Georgia gondolas.  I''m wanting to do a black gondola and saw the Tichy decals as a possible choice.

George Courtney


Re: GM&O and A&WP colors

Todd Horton
 

I have a not so great photo of a C of G 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 11:29 AM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


My friend Joe Sullivan asked me the following:


1.  What color were GM&O flat cars in 1952 - 1954 time period?  The 42' 50T "USRA-ish" ones.

2.  I am assuming that A&WP flat cars and GA RR gondolas (specifically the ones rebuilt from flat cars) of that period were freight car brown (Langley Jr., Hanson & Silcox won't argue) .  Does anyone here dissent?  Does anyone dissent from assumption that the GA/A&WP freight car brown resembled the L&N color, except maybe a bit more LIGHT brownish that pure oxide red?

3. Does anyone know or a photo of one of the few CofGa 40' 1937 door-and-a-half boxcars with SUPERIOR doors?

4.  There's an online rumor of the existence of HO scale Farmall tractor decals.  Does such a thing actually exist??

Thanks

Scott Chatfield


Re: Striker Castings

George Eichelberger
 

Southern Card Record (Drawing List) F-67 for “USDDB gond" 198000-199999 (1918) and M&O USDDB gond M&O 11400-11599 (ACF 1925) does not include a striker drawing. The drawing I did find, SF-2217, is labeled “Draft Sill Construction for Westinghouse and Session Gears” includes “End Elevation”, top and side views. There is no striker casting on the draft gear although the Southern appears to have received other draft gears on different groups of cars.

SF-2217 was traced from “US Standard Print No. 1936-D so it is not a Southern design. (I can upload the Specification F-86, Feb. 23, 1918 that appears to include the complete US Standard Spec if anyone is interested.)

The Google Drive link for SF-2217 (another big file!) is:


Ike

 


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tony,

No, that's not the photo I saw. The car in the photo I remember pretty much filled the entire frame. Good call though. This might be the same class.

Yours Aye,


Garth  🦆

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:09 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Garth Groff  wrote:
Somewhere there is a close-up photo of these UP gondolas being loaded at a coal tipple. I seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson posted it back on the old Yahoo group. Does it jar any memories?

    Garth, do you mean the photos of both SP and UP gondolas being loaded with ballast at Black Butte, California? It includes UP 25218, built in 1903 with the Standard Steel Car Co. version of the Fox-like trucks. It is included in my Volume 1 on gondolas in the series _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ on page 73.  On page 69 of that volume are two Standard Steel builder photos of such UP gondolas, from Keith Retterer.

Tony Thompson




Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

spsalso
 

I agree that the wheelbase length I got is very strange.  If someone would care to examine the (American Smelting) photo and tell me where I went wrong, I'd surely like to hear.  I would prefer to be wrong, because it's the simplest solution.

It was a simple case of measuring the length of a known dimension (half of the IL) and measuring the wheelbase length in the photo, and doing a ratio.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Dennis,

No I don't know anything more about them than what I remember from the photograph. I'm pretty sure it was shared on an earlier version of this group, and might be in some archive. That's not something I want to undertake, especially with out painfully slow DSL connection.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:00 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
Somewhere there is a close-up photo of these UP gondolas being loaded at a coal tipple. I seem to remember that Richard Hendrickson posted it back on the old Yahoo group. Does it jar any memories?
 
If it is the same car, I believe these were 46' IL with drop bottoms, and were intended for coal service.
 
Do you have any idea who built those cars? Somewhere deep in the recesses of my memory (or what's left of it) I recall that Barney & Smith had a fabricated plate passenger car truck, that from the side looked like a section of fabricated I beam with journal boxes poking through slots. B&S also built freight cars. What I can't recall is if they also tried a freight version, but if so, this is pretty much what it would look like. Unfortunately, there is only one book on Barney & Smith, and I don't own it; I read a borrowed copy.

Dennis Storzek


Re: F&C LV box car

Clark Propst
 

bill woelfel
2:09pm   
Car knocker will bad order that car, no couplers!  

The car in not in it's natural habitat. This car had a Duryea underframe. I'm waiting for an order of Kadee 197s. Those are the ones with the narrow boxes because the boxes will stick out a ways passed the ends. I'll have a photo of the car on the layout when the couplers arrive.

Thanks!!
CW Propst


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Dave Parker
 

I have never seen or heard of a conventional freight truck with a wheelbase in excess of 6 feet.  Express trucks, sure.  But, freight trucks?

The 1901 IC car looks to my eye to have good old Fox trucks, probably the 40-t, 5-6 wheelbase variety.  Since it was built by PSC, that would make sense.  [IIRC, there was also a shorter, 30-t Fox, but the sideframe was somewhat different in shape].
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Question re: Lidgerwoods

William Canelos
 

Pacific Great Eastern had two of these machines.  They did not use them for truing loco wheels.  They were used by the wrecking crew to do wreck recovery.  There is an amazing book called "In the Ditch" by Eric Stathers  who worked on the wreck trains on the PGE and the recoveries they made using them show incredible knowledge of weights & balances as well as leverage.  PGE did not have a "big hook" only a 7000 pound crane. The Lidgerwoods along with that tiny crane saved their bacon time after time, A great read.

Definitely worth the read.  I got in on Amazon Kindle as an Ebook. 

Bill


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Dennis Storzek
 

Further discussion tickled the gray cells. Here is a photo of a boxcar built by the Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1901 for the Iowa Central that has similar trucks:
https://www.midcontinent.org/equipment-roster/wooden-freight-cars/minneapolis-st-louis-4570/

Dennis Storzek


Re: F&C LV box car

bill woelfel
 

Car knocker will bad order that car, no couplers!  Looks great!


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

John Riddell
 

36’ truss-rod boxcar QRL&P No. 1119 rode on fox trucks until at least October 1952. The ORER does not indicate that it is  restricted from interchange. A color photo of November 12, 1950  is on page 5 of the CN Color Guide book by Morning Sun.

 

John Riddell

 

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Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

Brian Carlson
 

Tamiya from spray cans is just fine and quicker than getting out an airbrush for one car. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 14, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Bill J. via groups.io <jolitzwr@...> wrote:

Eric, that is an important post!

I've tried on several occasions to dullcoat a car with a rattle can.  It has never worked to my satisfaction.  Cans 'sneeze' on liquid in too-large drops.  Only an airbrush gives small enough droplets.

More, I've had better experiences with the old faves than the new ones.  Maybe it's experience, maybe it's product.

Thanks for your blog,

Bill Jolitz


Re: Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

Charles Happel
 

Chicago and Northwestern RPO's had the baggage doors close to the ends. Apologies for being off topic.

Chuck Happel


Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.

Mark Twain


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 04:13:09 PM EDT, Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:


Hi Andy,

Milw baggage cars generally had doors toward the car ends, above the trucks. A spotting feature for those cars.

Did any other railroad put the doors close to the car ends?

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 03:04:03 PM CDT, Andy Miller <aslmmiller@...> wrote:


Fascinating cars!   They look like, or are,  baggage cars with the doors at the ends of the side.  Was this typical for the Milwaukee or are they unique to the silk business? And why?

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 2:00 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

 

Photo: Milwaukee Road Silk Train

A 1921 Photo from the University of Washington:

https://digitalcollections.lib.washington.edu/digital/collection/imlsmohai/id/5538/rec/215

Caption: "By the end of the 1920s, the single most valuable import coming through Seattle was Japanese silk. This luxury material came to Seattle on fast steamships and was sent by express train to eastern markets. Because it was both expensive and perishable, silk needed to be handled very carefully. One train carried a cargo of silk valued at $5 million."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

Bill J.
 

Eric, that is an important post!

I've tried on several occasions to dullcoat a car with a rattle can.  It has never worked to my satisfaction.  Cans 'sneeze' on liquid in too-large drops.  Only an airbrush gives small enough droplets.

More, I've had better experiences with the old faves than the new ones.  Maybe it's experience, maybe it's product.

Thanks for your blog,

Bill Jolitz