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Re: Speaking of decals

Tim O'Connor
 

I found this to be true of the Kadee "laser sharp" decals - The white is translucent.
It's a shame because 99.9% of their lettering is perfect.

On 4/15/2020 1:50 PM, Gary Bechdol wrote:
Fenton:

I ordered several sets of ACL steam locomotive decals from K4.  I had twp locomotive professionally painted, but when the painter applied the white decals, the printing was so thin that the decal did not show up on the black locomotives.  Even doubling up the decals did not help. Maybe I had an early set, but before you try decaling a car, do a test first on a piece of scrap using the paint color you are applying to the car.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Tim O'Connor
 


Bill the thing that has me stumped is how to efficiently paint the
tractor wheels and still get all that detail with hubs.



On 4/15/2020 6:52 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

Farmall decals came up over a year ago, and I think Tony Koester was working with someone to bring them back. I haven’t heard anything since then. Perhaps Tony will give us an update? I have twelve tractors waiting H Decals.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 2:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

 

Someone in the past couple of days asked if there had been any decals made for the Farmall tractors.  Indeed there has been.  They were done by

the now maligned Oddball Decals.  The set number is 87-563.  I have a set to use on my Sunshine tractor kit.  Hopefully I will get to it in this lifetime.

 

Bill Pardie



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Speaking of decals

Donald B. Valentine
 

   Well, I'm not going to post a color photo of me sitting with my father on the new Ford 8N bought in the
spring of 1949 but the tractors on the DT&I flat posted earlier looked a lot more like the succeeding Ford
"Jubilee" model than an 8N. I looked for an 8N myself in late 1978 and ended up buying a Massey-Ferguson
35 Deluxe instead. Ten years newer, oversize tires and rims and, more importantly, a dual range transmission
with Multi-Drive AND a live power take-off, which was the major drawback of an 8N, all for less than any 
reasonable 8N could be found. The 8N seems to have developed a bunch of cult worshipers and I wanted 
a working tractor! Still have the Massey-Ferguson and have never regretted purchasing it even though I'd 
rather have had one with a Perkins Diesel than the Continental gas motor. IIRC the Ferguson that first 
competed with Ford after the Harry & Henry team split was a TO-30 and the paint was a bit darker gray 
than what was used on the Fords. Have just spoken with my childhood neighbor whose parents were
partners with my parents on a corn harvester and who at 83 has a few years on me and he has confirmed
my memory of the model and color difference between the Ford and the Ferguson in those early years. He 
has also reminded me that either could be had with the exhaust beneath the left-hand running board or in a 
vertical position. The only piece of farm machinery I can think of that the position beneath the running board 
might interfere with is a belly mounted mower, my preferred type of sickle bar mower.

Just an old hayshaker, Don Valentine


Re: Tamiya Flat Clear TS-80 spray can

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

As far as rattle cans go, I'm with Nelson on this: Tamiya and sometimes Krylon. Tamiya gives a finer spray compared to Dullcote and Model Masters.

    Totally true about Tamiya. I am genuinely impressed with their nozzles. Fine spray, limited spread (you don't paint your hands and the surroundings), no blurts. And every can is as good. None of which is true with Testors.

Tony Thompson




Re: MDC heavy duty trucks

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Sutorik wrote:

Athearn has sold these trucks separately.  So you might want to also search under the Athearn name.
They HAVE sold them separately.

     Athearn essentially sells ALL the parts to ALL their models. But scarcely any parts are on their website. They do give a phone number for the parts department, and I have found that when you call, they are pleasant and helpful. The key thing they tell you is the PART NUMBER for what you want. Then you can go online and order, using that number. Prices are okay and delivery is prompt.

Tony Thompson




Re: MDC heavy duty trucks

spsalso
 

Athearn has sold these trucks separately.  So you might want to also search under the Athearn name.

They HAVE sold them separately.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: MDC heavy duty trucks

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Townsend wrote:

Todd, thanks so much! I had forgotten about those trucks, and they are perfect. Not roller bearing like the MDC, and since I don't want the roller bearings, that works out well.

      When I worked on a helium car, I needed essentially those trucks (this was before Corey came along). I used the MDC truck, simply cutting off the roller-bearing journals and gluing on solid bearing journal boxes. It's actually pretty quick and easy.

Tony Thompson




CNW slogans

Tony Thompson
 

Could someone please let me know when CNW began to paint the "Route of the 400 Streamliners" slogan on box cars? Thanks in advance.

Tony Thompson
tony@...


Re: Speaking of decals

 

I've always liked this photo. utility tractors on one end and row crop on the other. A fair difference in height between the two versions.

Martin put this photo in the sheet for his tractor load too. But his were Farmall H row crop. It would be fun to do the H utility version.

Dan Smith


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Nelson Moyer
 

Farmall decals came up over a year ago, and I think Tony Koester was working with someone to bring them back. I haven’t heard anything since then. Perhaps Tony will give us an update? I have twelve tractors waiting H Decals.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 2:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

 

Someone in the past couple of days asked if there had been any decals made for the Farmall tractors.  Indeed there has been.  They were done by

the now maligned Oddball Decals.  The set number is 87-563.  I have a set to use on my Sunshine tractor kit.  Hopefully I will get to it in this lifetime.

 

Bill Pardie


Re: F&C LV box car

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Clark,
Nice job. Thanks a lot, now I have to get one of these. I love the board streaking. Not overdone like someone I know did (ahem).. May I forward this to PanPastel for publishing?

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 05:29:23 PM CDT, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


bill woelfel
2:09pm   #171723  
Car knocker will bad order that car, no couplers!  

The car in not in it's natural habitat. This car had a Duryea underframe. I'm waiting for an order of Kadee 197s. Those are the ones with the narrow boxes because the boxes will stick out a ways passed the ends. I'll have a photo of the car on the layout when the couplers arrive.

Thanks!!
CW Propst


Re: Speaking of decals

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Scott,
There is a tab of customer reviews that you can read. judging from his image as seen on my laptop the dimensional data looks quite readable. I like the custom decal option. Maybe I'll produce the C&S/CB&Q set I need for my USRA 2 Bay Hoppers through him. I like the additional new colors.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020, 08:08:04 AM CDT, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of this company's decals? I'm looking specifically at this set:   https://modernrails.com/products?keywords=georgia%2C+florida+%26+alabama .

Thanks

Scott Haycock


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

spsalso
 

A little housecleaning on my last post:

One of the SP series was 34', another was 36+'.  Both close-ish to 34'.  There might be other candidates.


Ed

Edward Sutorik



On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 02:34 PM, spsalso wrote:
Charlie,

I usually use the process you describe (if I can't get a car number, etc.), but I didn't like it for this because the picture gets pretty fuzzy when it's blown up that much, and it's kinda hard to get accuracy.

But.

I did it anyway.  And, yes, the truck wheelbase comes in around 5 1/2 feet.  Which is remindful of the dimension that Dennis came up with by a different method.

Well, well, says I.

Contemplating on all this, I thought:  "What if the inside length wasn't 40'-ish?"

So I went backwards from the truck wheelbase to get the IL.  Which comes up at about 34'.  In that case, I could note that Southern Pacific had a couple of gon series with that IL.  Nothing shows up for UP, that I can see.  But...........

In other words, if the truck wheelbase is "standard", which it appears to be when compared to the neighboring truck, then it would seem likely that the car was shorter than the typical 40'.

Interestinger and interestinger.


Ed

Edward Sutorik



Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

spsalso
 

Charlie,

I usually use the process you describe (if I can't get a car number, etc.), but I didn't like it for this because the picture gets pretty fuzzy when it's blown up that much, and it's kinda hard to get accuracy.

But.

I did it anyway.  And, yes, the truck wheelbase comes in around 5 1/2 feet.  Which is remindful of the dimension that Dennis came up with by a different method.

Well, well, says I.

Contemplating on all this, I thought:  "What if the inside length wasn't 40'-ish?"

So I went backwards from the truck wheelbase to get the IL.  Which comes up at about 34'.  In that case, I could note that Southern Pacific had a couple of gon series with that IL.  Nothing shows up for UP, that I can see.  But...........

In other words, if the truck wheelbase is "standard", which it appears to be when compared to the neighboring truck, then it would seem likely that the car was shorter than the typical 40'.

Interestinger and interestinger.


Ed

Edward Sutorik




On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 01:03 PM, Charlie Vlk wrote:
Guys
How about using the 33” wheel as the scaling element.   If you measure off the center of the journal to the outside of the wheel that establishes your 16 1/2 “ and perspective errors should be way less than using undetermined half length of the car body.
There were many types of “Fox” pressed steel (hardly sheet metal) trucks.
Charlie Vlk

 


Re: Speaking of decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Craig, I believe a few of us have that tee shirt too.


On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 4:29 PM Craig Wilson <agecompanyphotog@...> wrote:
Bob Schleicher (Model Ralroading/RailModel Journal) was very fond of a photo of the prototype DT&I car with a load of Ford tractors and used it often for his "Wish List" articles.  One day I got a Walthers flier that had a drawing of a WIKING tractor that looked an awful like those same tractors.  I went online to order them but found that they were "out of stock - backorder."  Normally I don't play that game but since I needed 10 for the load and this was my chance to save some money on them, I bit the bullet and submitted the order.  It took a few months to get them but they finally showed up.

These were undecorated gray models and easily disassembled so that I could paint them red/gray/black.  I mounted them on a 70-ton flatcar kitbashed from two Athearn models (the top car in the photo).  What I didn't know at the time, the Wiking models are actually Ferguson tractors, not Fords.  The only real difference is that the exhaust pipe on the Canadian-built Fergusons is mounted vertically, while on the Fords it runs horizontally along the frame.  Other than I knew that when I took the model to an RPM meet I'd hear "You know those are Fergusons, not Fords" the real problem was that those delicate exhaust pipes broke off every time I handled the car.  When Intermountain came out with their 70-ton flatcar I decided to redo the load.  I modified the tractors by moving the exhaust pipes along the frame thus solving both problems.

Even by getting a "sale price" on the Wiking tractors, it was a pretty expensive load (I used to refer to the original version as my "$90 load on a $10 flatcar") but I was only making one of them.

Craig Wilson




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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: MDC heavy duty trucks

Richard Townsend
 

Todd, thanks so much! I had forgotten about those trucks, and they are perfect. Not roller bearing like the MDC, and since I don't want the roller bearings, that works out well.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MDC heavy duty trucks

Hi  Richard,

I looked on eBay for Roundhouse SP ore cars, as that's where I thought the MDC trucks were used, but the photos in the auctions I found were not conclusive.

Have you seen Cory Bonsall's trucks used under the Utah Coal Route 70t gons?  Here's a link to his auction for them with pretty good photos:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Scale-3D-Printed-Truckframes-70-Ton-Carbon-County-Railway-CBC-2-Pair/232519243454?hash=item36233a16be:g:GwIAAOSweIlZZrgX

Todd Sullivan


Re: Unusual trucks on gon in American Smelting photo

Dave Parker
 

I took a quick stab using Charlie's suggestion and got 5-8.  Pretty close to 5-6 given the fuzziness of the photo.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Speaking of decals

Bob Chapman
 

Re K4 decals --

I recently ordered four boxcar sets, and was amazed to see them in my mailbox in three days. They catalog a huge variety of roadnames, including some real oddballs most of us would not have on our shopping list. Very tempting to come up with projects that might use a few of them.

Based on experience so far, I'd rate them as very good. Things seem to be the right size and font. Not up to thoroughness standard of Speedwitch's (but how many are?!). The film is reasonably thin. 

When it comes time to order decals for the next round of projects, they will be high on my consider list. 

Bob Chapman


Re: Speaking of decals

Jim Ogden
 

I hate to say this but Ford sold an aftermarket kit to modify the exhaust on 8N tractors to where it resembled the as built Ferguson. The stock exhaust interfered with some implements.

Jim Ogden

Owner of two 8N Fords


Re: Speaking of decals

Jim King
 

I think “not opaque enough” is a common complaint about ALPS printed decals if you want to model a new(-ish) paint.  For faded and/or weathered lettering, I’ve heard (and experienced) that ALPS works OK.  Buyer beware, as usual.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/