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Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bob Webber
 

Some examples - sorry for quality - these are just grabs...but give you some ideas.

At 08:13 AM 4/17/2020, you wrote:
Gents,
     Just a question on load orientation of the tractors, I recall perhaps 30-years ago seeing a modeled flatcar load of tractors with them set on the deck at an angle and side by each. Just wondering if this was at all a common loading practice at one time? I'm doing a load of 6 Farmalls in S scale and the tractors seem to be a better fit if loaded this way. Have a second car of John Deeres as well. All of these tractors were nicely detailed except had plastic "blobs" for steering wheels, which I replaced with etched wheels from Tractor Fab.
     Bud Rindfleisch

Bob Webber


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Douglas Harding
 

The group files has a pdf on an AAR diagram on tractor loading in 1949, shows proper blocking, etc. Orientation on the flat car depended upon the size of the tractor. The Farmall M (the lifelike model) was larger than the H, so was loaded differently. Shippers of course wanted to get as many as possible on each car.

https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/files/Tractor%20Loading%20on%20Flatcars%20AAR%201949.pdf

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:13 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR loads

 

Bud,

 

Tractors could be loaded longitudinally (length-wise), diagonally, or lattitudinally (cross-wise), depending on the size and type of the tractor.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:07 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR loads

 

Gents,

     Just a question on load orientation of the tractors, I recall perhaps 30-years ago seeing a modeled flatcar load of tractors with them set on the deck at an angle and side by each. Just wondering if this was at all a common loading practice at one time? I'm doing a load of 6 Farmalls in S scale and the tractors seem to be a better fit if loaded this way. Have a second car of John Deeres as well. All of these tractors were nicely detailed except had plastic "blobs" for steering wheels, which I replaced with etched wheels from Tractor Fab.

     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bruce Smith
 

Bud,

Tractors could be loaded longitudinally (length-wise), diagonally, or lattitudinally (cross-wise), depending on the size and type of the tractor.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:07 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] FARMALL TRACTOR loads
 
Gents,
     Just a question on load orientation of the tractors, I recall perhaps 30-years ago seeing a modeled flatcar load of tractors with them set on the deck at an angle and side by each. Just wondering if this was at all a common loading practice at one time? I'm doing a load of 6 Farmalls in S scale and the tractors seem to be a better fit if loaded this way. Have a second car of John Deeres as well. All of these tractors were nicely detailed except had plastic "blobs" for steering wheels, which I replaced with etched wheels from Tractor Fab.
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR loads

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Gents,
     Just a question on load orientation of the tractors, I recall perhaps 30-years ago seeing a modeled flatcar load of tractors with them set on the deck at an angle and side by each. Just wondering if this was at all a common loading practice at one time? I'm doing a load of 6 Farmalls in S scale and the tractors seem to be a better fit if loaded this way. Have a second car of John Deeres as well. All of these tractors were nicely detailed except had plastic "blobs" for steering wheels, which I replaced with etched wheels from Tractor Fab.
     Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

John Larkin
 

This is the type of issue that really points out how unaware we can be of our surroundings.  I've been around railroads since the Roman days and inside boxcars numerous times and I never paid attention to the inside of the doors...  It does make sense though that they were very likely painted if no other reason than to prevent corrosion and to present a more favorable look to shippers.

Good idea to paint the floors a wood color. 

John Larkin


On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 8:59:37 PM CDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


When I was clerking in Portland in 1961-62, all the un-insulated boxcar doors I saw were painted on the inside the same color as the car's exterior.  RBLs (insulated boxcars) had plug doors that were insulated and lined with wood.

On some Intermountain, Kadee and Branchline boxcars with sliding doors that I built, I have painted the interior of the sides to look like wood or plywood, and the floors a dirtier similar color.  The interiors are visible with the doors open.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HO Scale Grab Irons

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

BLMA had both drop and straight grab irons made with. 008 wire.  Atlas has taken over from BLMA and the grab irons have recently become part of their line.  I now use them exclusively and they make a difference.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 4/16/20 3:28 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] HO Scale Grab Irons


Bob, it sounds like you want Kadee bracket grabirons.


On 4/16/2020 9:07 PM, Bob Miller wrote:

Tichy has straight and drop grabs in 18” and 24” widths.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:50:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Scale Grab Irons
 

HO Scale Grab Irons

I want to upgrade a couple of HO scale freight cars I acquired at a swap meet. The cars have holes for simple wire grab irons but I'd like to add commercial grab irons with more detail.

Any suggestions for what I might use?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

Todd Sullivan
 

When I was clerking in Portland in 1961-62, all the un-insulated boxcar doors I saw were painted on the inside the same color as the car's exterior.  RBLs (insulated boxcars) had plug doors that were insulated and lined with wood.

On some Intermountain, Kadee and Branchline boxcars with sliding doors that I built, I have painted the interior of the sides to look like wood or plywood, and the floors a dirtier similar color.  The interiors are visible with the doors open.

Todd Sullivan


Re: HO Scale Grab Irons

Tim O'Connor
 


Bob, it sounds like you want Kadee bracket grabirons.


On 4/16/2020 9:07 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
Tichy has straight and drop grabs in 18” and 24” widths.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:50:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Scale Grab Irons
 

HO Scale Grab Irons

I want to upgrade a couple of HO scale freight cars I acquired at a swap meet. The cars have holes for simple wire grab irons but I'd like to add commercial grab irons with more detail.

Any suggestions for what I might use?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: C&NW "Route of the 400"

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

   Someone raised the question earlier this week of when the C&NW began using the 
"Route of the 400" slogan on box cars. While perusing my 1940 CarBuilders for something
else today I ran across a photo of C&NW boxcar #105598 built in Jan. 1940 clearly
displaying the slogan.

Hopes this helps, Don Valentine


Re: HO Scale Grab Irons

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Tichy has straight and drop grabs in 18” and 24” widths.


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:50:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Scale Grab Irons
 

HO Scale Grab Irons

I want to upgrade a couple of HO scale freight cars I acquired at a swap meet. The cars have holes for simple wire grab irons but I'd like to add commercial grab irons with more detail.

Any suggestions for what I might use?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


HO Scale Grab Irons

Bob Chaparro
 

HO Scale Grab Irons

I want to upgrade a couple of HO scale freight cars I acquired at a swap meet. The cars have holes for simple wire grab irons but I'd like to add commercial grab irons with more detail.

Any suggestions for what I might use?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ADMIN - do not open website from "Richard Ramik"

Richard Ramik
 

Jeff:

Thanks.  Had no idea this had happened.

Rich Ramik



On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 4:35:55 PM EDT, Aley, Jeff A <jeff.a.aley@...> wrote:


Hi Folks,

 

               RealSTMFC got an email from “Richard Ramik” asking “if anyone has done business at [spam website]???”

 

               It’s SPAM, please don’t click on the link.

 

               The real Richard Ramik has been a member of RealSTMFC for a long time; I doubt the message was really from him.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC


Re: Boxcar Interior Door Color

spsalso
 

The smart folks painted the whole interior a very light color--light beige or light grey--white looks dirty too quickly.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Boxcar Interior Door Color

David
 

Don't know about Milwaukee specifically, but general practice was to paint the inside of the door and sometimes put the car number on it also.

David Thompson


National Archives photo - 13 March 1941

David
 

C&O 5361 is an AAR 1937 box with Creco door but not the wacky Deco end that gets all the attention.

David Thompson


Rebuilt USRA Double Sheathed Boxcars

David
 

RPC #24 covers the double-sheathed rebuilds. Reading between the lines a bit, the 8-panel sides were generally supplied by Youngstown, and the ten-panel sides by Pullman-Standard, but that is not necessarily a hard and fast rule.

David Thompson


Re: CNW slogans

Jack Mullen
 

Tony,
I'm not sure about an absolute beginning date, but the slogan was applied to PS-1 orders in the 1949-54 period.
It appeared on the right side of the car, with "The Overland Route" on the left side.
57400-57898 even, 1949, 40' auto car, 15' doors
106600-108598 even, 1949, 40' XM
6200-10198 even, 1951, 40' XM
1-625, 1953, 40' XM
all the above have riveted sides
656-1655, 1954, 40' XM
Not sayin' this is a comprehensive list. There was a another lot in 1955 that I'm not sure of offhand, and there were several small groups of cars built in the same time frame.
I should mention that a similar slogan, "Route of the "400" and the Streamliners" was used briefly pre-WW2.

Jack Mullen


Re: ADMIN - do not open website from "Richard Ramik"

Todd Sullivan
 

Thanks, Jeff, for keeping us safe. 

I learned the hard way not to open fishy stuff like that.

Todd Sullivan


Re: National Archives photo - 13 March 1941

Dave Parker
 

Brian:

That's a nice shot of a CN Fowler with 5-ft doors (IOW the very nice Speedwitch K104 kit).  Although numerous, photos of these cars pre-AB brakes seem to be rather scarce.

Thanks for posting.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


ADMIN - do not open website from "Richard Ramik"

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               RealSTMFC got an email from “Richard Ramik” asking “if anyone has done business at [spam website]???”

 

               It’s SPAM, please don’t click on the link.

 

               The real Richard Ramik has been a member of RealSTMFC for a long time; I doubt the message was really from him.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, RealSTMFC

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