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Re: Rebuilt Double sheathed boxcars using Youngstown Steel wi

James Brewer
 

Eric,

It did come through to me; I have downloaded and been looking through it.  Quite a bit of work on your part.  Thank you!

Jim Brewer


Re: Help with decals

Jim King
 

Noted modeller, Bob Harpe, told me years ago that he uses 2 strengths of Solvaset.  1 is a mix of 40% Solvaset, 40% distilled water and 20% isopropyl alcohol.  I don’t use distilled water because our city water has never given me issues with fogging, etc.  I know some areas have “dirty” water and distilled, bottled water is the best option.

 

The other is full-strength Solvaset.  I have a bottle of each and use the greatly thinned brew when first applying decals.  Its dilution gives me enough time to move into position with a toothpick or broken-tipped #11 blade.  Once the decal dries, I switch to full-strength Solvaset to finish it. 

 

If the painted surface has sufficient gloss and I put enough thinned Solvaset on that spot, even with rivets, it usually takes just a couple applications of full-strength to get everything to nestle well.  I have Microsol bottles but rarely use them once I got used to the 2-step Solvaset process.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks for your research and response, Ed.  You’re a valuable resource!

 


Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ed Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

 

 



On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

 

I’m glad to have Don Valentine’s info about the use of the Rutland cars to haul granite blocks, so I can justify using one on my (future) ERIE layout . . . but I’m wondering if Ed Hawkins can answer the question out of the ACF records, whether the drawings for these cars (assuming they’re in the collection) show any other railroad users?

 

Schuyler,

The ACF drawing collection at the National Museum of Transportation has 4 drawings that pertain to lot 2551. All are dated in the range July-October 1942. 

 

31-3812 Lettering Diagram (also applies to lot 2558 GSCX ash transfer cars)

41-3419 Steel Details (also applies to lots 2544, 2552)

61-3594 General Arrangement (also applies to lots 2520, 2552)

61-3595 Brake Arrangement

 

The Barriger Flickr web site also has photos for related lots 2544 (U.S. Navy), 2552 (U.S. Coast Guard), and 2520 Nicaro Nickel Co. (Defense Plant order). 

 

If interested in obtaining copies/digital scans of any drawings, contact Teresa Militello, curator of the NMOT library at tma.teresa2@.... Keep in mind that at this time the NMOT is closed due to coronavirus restrictions.

 

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

 

 


Re: Rebuilt Double sheathed boxcars using Youngstown Steel wi

Eric Lombard
 

Well, I see that the attached file on yesterday's post is not available in our current arrangement. 
Email me if you are interested in the spreadsheet of steel-sided rebuilds and I will get one off to you.

Eric L


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Don and friends,

Coast Guard Yard: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618643298/in/album-72157649155982802/  and end view at https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619163361/in/album-72157649155982802/ (note the interesting coupler cut rod arrangement!)




One wonders how many of these 11-pocket flats were built for the government. Perhaps this was a standard military design, and the GCSX car sort of "leaked out". I noted that the examples above do not have AAR standard reporting marks, indicating that they were strictly for on-base use. As restricted cars and in small lots, they aren't of much use to us, but still interesting.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:54 AM Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Garth and others,

    Lets not overook the "Coast Guard Yard flat car in the same grop of photos that was also
constructed in anuary 1943. The more we look I suspect the more we will find with 11 stake
pockets per side. I'm also wondering if the late Al Armatige mght have been the person behind
the Athearn flat car model havin worked with or for Athearn at one point and being from New
England himself. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've never foud the source of any drawings
used to produce the model but know many other wjo are as happy as I am that Athern chose a
Rutland prototype to model. Given the use of marble as a building material and with Howe Scale
being located adjacent the Rutland's home yard in Rutland, Vt. there is reasonable justification 
for any modeler to have one of these Rutland flat cars on their model pike.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Bridge Girder On Flat Cars

Kemal Mumcu
 

You make an interesting observation Bruce. Looking through other photos of these cars I see some have the plate and others don't. It seems that the lower numbered cars have the plate and the higher numbers don't. Another reason to build one of each. ;)

The CP ran many many revenue earning cars into the 1950s on arch bar trucks. The company spanned sea to sea and most trips wouldn't need to ever leave home rails.

Colin


Re: Walthers 40' gon

 

That is the kit that I have.  I have chosen not to build it.  I will send it to anyone who will cover the cost of priority mail.  HTG


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Steve and Barb Hile
 

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Steve Hile


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Ed Hawkins
 



On Apr 22, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I’m glad to have Don Valentine’s info about the use of the Rutland cars to haul granite blocks, so I can justify using one on my (future) ERIE layout . . . but I’m wondering if Ed Hawkins can answer the question out of the ACF records, whether the drawings for these cars (assuming they’re in the collection) show any other railroad users?

Schuyler,
The ACF drawing collection at the National Museum of Transportation has 4 drawings that pertain to lot 2551. All are dated in the range July-October 1942. 

31-3812 Lettering Diagram (also applies to lot 2558 GSCX ash transfer cars)
41-3419 Steel Details (also applies to lots 2544, 2552)
61-3594 General Arrangement (also applies to lots 2520, 2552)
61-3595 Brake Arrangement

The Barriger Flickr web site also has photos for related lots 2544 (U.S. Navy), 2552 (U.S. Coast Guard), and 2520 Nicaro Nickel Co. (Defense Plant order). 

If interested in obtaining copies/digital scans of any drawings, contact Teresa Militello, curator of the NMOT library at tma.teresa2@.... Keep in mind that at this time the NMOT is closed due to coronavirus restrictions.

Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: Bridge Girder On Flat Cars

Lloyd Keyser
 

I agree I can't believe this girder is not mounted vertically except the tie down is much easier and cheaper. Does any one have a picture of how the cross members that go between two of these girders are shipped. We always see the girders but never the rest of the structural parts. I assume (that word always gets me in trouble) that at least the vertical cross members are at least partially assembled and are shipped in a gon. Would like to see this from an over head shot showing how they are tied down.  Also the modelers don't seem to model this gon only a main girder.
Lloyd Keyser

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:31 AM Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io <schuyler.larrabee=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

My immediate thought too, Brian.  What’s up with that?  There wouldn’t be any clearance issues with that girder if shipped vertically, as most are.

 

Schuyler

 

Surprised they laid the girder on its weak axis. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:

Lots of stuff to observe here.  What I find most interesting is the difference in lettering application on these two identical CP flat cars.  I guess I'll have to build one of each! 

From Vancouver Archives depicting Western Bridge Company, Vancouver BC.  About 1946. 

Colin Meikle

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/7/6/764460/fcd71ef8-b040-4cc8-9517-2aa7a3ae1053-A13454.jpg

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/7/5/756215/2530ca8e-da3f-46fa-bae4-702c680cd22f-A13455.jpg

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/7/5/759038/7cd664da-0d8d-4bb7-8512-0b4f9119e6df-A13457.jpg


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Douglas Harding
 

The 1935 date is because that is the last report the ORER publisher received from the Granite City Steel Company. You will often see dates in reports being different from the publication date.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Parker via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:33 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

 

From the January, 1938, ORER.  Not sure why the reported data is from 1935.



--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Dave Parker
 

From the January, 1938, ORER.  Not sure why the reported data is from 1935.



--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Bridge Girder On Flat Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

My immediate thought too, Brian.  What’s up with that?  There wouldn’t be any clearance issues with that girder if shipped vertically, as most are.

 

Schuyler

 

Surprised they laid the girder on its weak axis. 

Brian J. Carlson 



On Apr 22, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:

Lots of stuff to observe here.  What I find most interesting is the difference in lettering application on these two identical CP flat cars.  I guess I'll have to build one of each! 

From Vancouver Archives depicting Western Bridge Company, Vancouver BC.  About 1946. 

Colin Meikle

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/7/6/764460/fcd71ef8-b040-4cc8-9517-2aa7a3ae1053-A13454.jpg

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/7/5/756215/2530ca8e-da3f-46fa-bae4-702c680cd22f-A13455.jpg

https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/7/5/759038/7cd664da-0d8d-4bb7-8512-0b4f9119e6df-A13457.jpg


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I’m glad to have Don Valentine’s info about the use of the Rutland cars to haul granite blocks, so I can justify using one on my (future) ERIE layout . . . but I’m wondering if Ed Hawkins can answer the question out of the ACF records, whether the drawings for these cars (assuming they’re in the collection) show any other railroad users?

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

 

Friends,

 

I just spotted this flat car among the Barriger Library AC&F photos: GCSX 106. It has 11 stake pockets, like the Athearn 40' flat car. It has long been a truism that Rutland 2700-2799 were the only match for this classic model. In his August 1993 RMJ article on these cars, Richard Hendrickson cautiously said " . . . one of the few prototypes . . . ", though he makes it clear in his text this was the only match he had found at that point. Obviously, here is another: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618640708/in/album-72157649155982802/ .

 

The above photo is captioned " Granite City Flat Car". This probably stand for GCSX stands for "Granite City Steel"? I find no listing for GCSX in my 1958 ORER. The Fallen Flags web site has three photos of locomotives from Granite City Steel, but no further information.

 

So can anyone comment on whether these cars were for in-plant use, or might they have been seen in freight trains as private owner cars?

 

Thoughts to ponder.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Tracks along the Mon, circa 1934

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

All;

 

This photo has been shared before (Luke Swank is one of my favorite photographers), and those are, indeed, the infamous J&L tank cars spoken of so disrespectfully in the past.  This is a J&L/P&LE interchange, so one could be unsurprised at their presence, since it is likely they are moving in interchange, to J&L’s Aliquippa plant downriver (to rear).

 

Not that any of you are interested!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 10:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Tracks along the Mon, circa 1934

 

Eric,

 

The open load might be on a couple of PRR F22 or F23 flats with a spacer car.

 

OH M G! Are those tank cars the elusive J&L 20K gallon cars? And, at first glance, they appear to maybe be a light color... However, noting the tones of many other notably dark objects nearby, it suddenly becomes completely unclear if they are indeed light in color, or if that is simply sunlit highlights.  And of course that you can't actually tell the road name on the cars 😉

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:17 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tracks along the Mon, circa 1934

 

I stumbled across this fine photo on the Historic Pittsburgh site. While it's not a pristine clear image, there are some neat freight cars in the yard on the right side of the image. Click on the image after the page opens so you can zoom in for a look around.

 

There's a cool open load on a couple of flat cars and interesting tank cars.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Tracks along the Mon, circa 1934

Bruce Smith
 

Eric,

The open load might be on a couple of PRR F22 or F23 flats with a spacer car.

OH M G! Are those tank cars the elusive J&L 20K gallon cars? And, at first glance, they appear to maybe be a light color... However, noting the tones of many other notably dark objects nearby, it suddenly becomes completely unclear if they are indeed light in color, or if that is simply sunlit highlights.  And of course that you can't actually tell the road name on the cars 😉

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:17 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tracks along the Mon, circa 1934
 
I stumbled across this fine photo on the Historic Pittsburgh site. While it's not a pristine clear image, there are some neat freight cars in the yard on the right side of the image. Click on the image after the page opens so you can zoom in for a look around.

There's a cool open load on a couple of flat cars and interesting tank cars.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Garth and others,

    Lets not overook the "Coast Guard Yard flat car in the same grop of photos that was also
constructed in anuary 1943. The more we look I suspect the more we will find with 11 stake
pockets per side. I'm also wondering if the late Al Armatige mght have been the person behind
the Athearn flat car model havin worked with or for Athearn at one point and being from New
England himself. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've never foud the source of any drawings
used to produce the model but know many other wjo are as happy as I am that Athern chose a
Rutland prototype to model. Given the use of marble as a building material and with Howe Scale
being located adjacent the Rutland's home yard in Rutland, Vt. there is reasonable justification 
for any modeler to have one of these Rutland flat cars on their model pike.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

James Brewer
 

GCSX = Granite City Steel Co., Granite City, IL

My July 1958 ORER indicates "Cars bearing these marks not registered in this issue of The Official Railway Equipment Register."

Jim Brewer


Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Douglas Harding
 

According to http://www.nakina.net/other/report/report.html

GCSX Granite City Steel Co. 7/1930-1/1941; 1/1943-4/1961 (not listed)

Granite City Steel cars are not listed in the 1943 ORER.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 5:11 AM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

 

Friends,

 

I just spotted this flat car among the Barriger Library AC&F photos: GCSX 106. It has 11 stake pockets, like the Athearn 40' flat car. It has long been a truism that Rutland 2700-2799 were the only match for this classic model. In his August 1993 RMJ article on these cars, Richard Hendrickson cautiously said " . . . one of the few prototypes . . . ", though he makes it clear in his text this was the only match he had found at that point. Obviously, here is another: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618640708/in/album-72157649155982802/ .

 

The above photo is captioned " Granite City Flat Car". This probably stand for GCSX stands for "Granite City Steel"? I find no listing for GCSX in my 1958 ORER. The Fallen Flags web site has three photos of locomotives from Granite City Steel, but no further information.

 

So can anyone comment on whether these cars were for in-plant use, or might they have been seen in freight trains as private owner cars?

 

Thoughts to ponder.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Tracks along the Mon, circa 1934

Eric Hansmann
 

I stumbled across this fine photo on the Historic Pittsburgh site. While it's not a pristine clear image, there are some neat freight cars in the yard on the right side of the image. Click on the image after the page opens so you can zoom in for a look around.

There's a cool open load on a couple of flat cars and interesting tank cars.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

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