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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

I have tried a couple of times to correct misinformation and been ignored. I suspect they didn't know me from Adam, and didn't want to take the time verifying my corrections. Now I just grimace and move on.

I was very successful correcting a badly mislabeled photo in the UVA Special Collections and Archives, but I had worked with many of the librarians in that section and had done several special cataloging projects for them. They fixed the problem immediately.

I have also been ignored by at least two local California historical societies/museums to which I offered donations of really good materials appropriate to their collections. Curiously, I was a member of one of these groups, and my offer was ignored three times (another railroad museum gratefully took the material almost immediately). Several other historical societies have accepted my donations, but then didn't have the grace to thank me for the materials. In fairness, I must say I was well treated by many other groups. It's been a mixed bag. And as for acknowledgement of donations, I would rather have the material preserved, lack of thanks not withstanding.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:48 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Actually, I have had very good responses from the several photo archives I have worked with.
These include USC, County of Los Angeles Library, City of Los Angeles Library and several Southern California historical societies.
The organizations I have found very non-responsive are smaller museums around the country, and that probably is a staffing issue as Garth noted. I am a member of the Board of the Hemet Heritage Foundation, which operates the Hemet Museum in the old Santa Fe Depot. Staffing certainly is an issue for us as we are an all volunteer organization.
I also have had some good luck correcting misleading or erroneous narratives published by various historical societies. But sometimes not. I found a horribly wrong narrative on-line published by a historical society in the California Central Valley. The narrative concerned the citrus industry and the transportation of oranges, something I do have a little knowledge of. It was so out of wack I could not suggest edits so I suggested to the organization's president that the whole article be pulled. His response was, "We are aware the Mrs. ______ sometimes is inaccurate in her writings but she is the town's historian and prominent local figure so no one wants to upset her". 
I wonder how often that is the case?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Freight car kits for sale.

lsittler
 

Please send the list
 

From: Jared Harper
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 5:11 PM
To: Proto-Layouts@groups.io ; REALSTMFC@groups.io ; SantaFeRR@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Freight car kits for sale.
 
Email for kit list.
 
Jared Harper

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Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Actually, I have had very good responses from the several photo archives I have worked with.
These include USC, County of Los Angeles Library, City of Los Angeles Library and several Southern California historical societies.
The organizations I have found very non-responsive are smaller museums around the country, and that probably is a staffing issue as Garth noted. I am a member of the Board of the Hemet Heritage Foundation, which operates the Hemet Museum in the old Santa Fe Depot. Staffing certainly is an issue for us as we are an all volunteer organization.
I also have had some good luck correcting misleading or erroneous narratives published by various historical societies. But sometimes not. I found a horribly wrong narrative on-line published by a historical society in the California Central Valley. The narrative concerned the citrus industry and the transportation of oranges, something I do have a little knowledge of. It was so out of wack I could not suggest edits so I suggested to the organization's president that the whole article be pulled. His response was, "We are aware the Mrs. ______ sometimes is inaccurate in her writings but she is the town's historian and prominent local figure so no one wants to upset her". 
I wonder how often that is the case?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


REVISED spreadsheet of double wood sheathed box cars rebuilt to steel sheathing

David
 

N&W 47500-47999 and 50000-50499 were rebuilds of steel-sheathed cars, so they don't fit on this particular list. PRR's X29 rebuilds and various roads' single-sheathed rebuilds shouldn't be in there either.

David Thompson


Re: Evemodel HO flat cars

Tony Thompson
 


Re: Walthers 40' gon

Hugh Guillaume
 

To: John Larkin

Send your mailing address to me at: mguill1224 "at" aol "dot" com.


Re: FARMALL TRACTOR DECALS

Vera Mills
 

Hello,
I am still having trouble with an occasional attachment not opening but going to the home page instead.
In this case I wish to view the photograph of the Farmall tractors but cannot find it in the massages under message No.172001.
Thanks for any advice.
Regards,
Glen Mills


Re: Evemodel HO flat cars

Bruce Smith
 

Kindergarten rule! (if you can't say something nice, don't say anything...)

"Oddities" is hardly the word I would use... It's way too nice 😉

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:13 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Evemodel HO flat cars
 

Gents,

 

I stumbled upon these on eBay today:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-2pcs-3pcs-5pcs-HO-Scale-52ft-Flat-Car-1-87-Rolling-Stock-Freight-Car/193206684745?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711100440%26meid%3D570f039d9b89433088a1993b4f8ea179%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D3%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D142358706013%26itm%3D193206684745%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplRVIAMLv5WebWithPLRVIOnTopCombiner&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982

 

I’ve had never heard of this company, “Evemodel,” before. 

 

Note the one “LEHIGHTON, PA 18235”…What the…?  That’s the zip code for that city…

 

I thought these were oddities and wanted to share with the group.

 

Looking forward to the comments!

 

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

 

 

 


Re: [SantaFeRR on IO] Freight car kits for sale.

Jared Harper
 

The prices on the list I sent out does not include shipping.

Jared Harper

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:11 PM Jared Harper via groups.io <harperandbrown=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Email for kit list.

Jared Harper


Evemodel HO flat cars

Steven D Johnson
 

Gents,

 

I stumbled upon these on eBay today:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-2pcs-3pcs-5pcs-HO-Scale-52ft-Flat-Car-1-87-Rolling-Stock-Freight-Car/193206684745?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711100440%26meid%3D570f039d9b89433088a1993b4f8ea179%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D3%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D142358706013%26itm%3D193206684745%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplRVIAMLv5WebWithPLRVIOnTopCombiner&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982

 

I’ve had never heard of this company, “Evemodel,” before. 

 

Note the one “LEHIGHTON, PA 18235”…What the…?  That’s the zip code for that city…

 

I thought these were oddities and wanted to share with the group.

 

Looking forward to the comments!

 

 

Steve Johnson

Nashville, TN

 

 

 

 


Re: No visible attachements

Tom Madden
 

Attachments are now showing up on posts on the web site and the "Emailed photos" folder has been reestablished. Guess someone paid the bill. Unfortunately the Emailed photos folder only contains the very recent ones and the multitude that used to be there are gone. Also posts that came to the web site with attachments missing, still have the attachments missing. Guess that's a lesson to all group owners to not let payments for extra storage lapse.

Tom Madden


REVISED spreadsheet of double wood sheathed box cars rebuilt to steel sheathing

Eric Lombard
 

 Hello, Folks...

The previous version was 40ft cars only. This revised version includes 50ft cars. A few inappropriate series have been removed  and a few that had been missed on the first pass have been added.. The count is now 365 series. Shall I make a calendar?
I would very much appreciate any feedback you might have to share. 

Two versions of Excel are attached: so that those with older versions can open the file. If the native format seems not to work for you try using "Google Sheets" (Free app in Google browser). I have found that it produces a document faithful to the the original .xlsx format.

As before, enjoy or curse

Eric L
elombard@...


Re: Barriger Library AC&F Photos

Charles Peck
 

Our friend Garth posted an interesting photo along with the suggestion it might 
have been a trailer for a motor car of some sort.  I see that as a good possibility but 
here is another suggestion. I do not know anything about the Pond Fork & Bald Knob 
nut being in West Virginia, it might have been a logging road like the Cass.
It seems to me that loggers were among the last to use link and pin couplers.  Thus this 
might have carried logging tools to and from the work areas. 
Just a guess.
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:22 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Friends,

While wandering through the AC&F photos, I came upon a four-wheeled "boxcar", Pond Fork & Bald Knob Railroad Co. 3. The PF&BK was a West Virginia shortline built circa 1926, which almost immediately became the C&O's Pond Fork branch. So what was this car for? Obviously with a link-and-pin coupler and no air brakes (the rather pathetic manual brakes are worked by the crank seen just beyond the coupler) it wasn't an interchange freight car. My conclusion is that this isn't a boxcar at all, but more likely a baggage trailer for a small self-propelled motor car, something like a Mack Model-B railbus.


The similarity to double-door box vans owned by the English narrow-gauge Lynton & Barnstable was not lost on me.  😉

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 9:02 AM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
After taking a break for a year or so, some early-1940s AC&F builder's
photos have been added to the Flickr page, including several USG-A
4-course tanks.

SHPX 17520:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619124151/in/album-72157649155982802/

USQX 11200 :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619388297/in/album-72157649155982802/

NdeM 45305:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618608328/in/album-72157649155982802/

David Thompson




Freight car kits for sale.

Jared Harper
 

Email for kit list.

Jared Harper


Re: Rebuilt Double sheathed boxcars using Youngstown Steel wi

James E Kubanick
 

Eric,

It also came through for me and I also kept the file in a folder for reference. You also have my appreciation for your work in this.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 1:40:30 PM EDT, James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...> wrote:


Eric,

It did come through to me; I have downloaded and been looking through it.  Quite a bit of work on your part.  Thank you!

Jim Brewer


Re: Bridge Girder On Flat Cars

spsalso
 

I am failing to see any problem with hauling this girder laid flat.  If it were "taller", there could arguably be side clearance problems, but it's not.

I do sort of question having it blocked so high, though.  I would think half the height would do.  I would be a bit concerned that, if the car came to a quick stop, that the mass of the girder would cause the blocking to rotate "forward".  Hopefully, the diagonal tie downs at the appropriate end would keep that from happening.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Barriger Library AC&F Photos

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

While wandering through the AC&F photos, I came upon a four-wheeled "boxcar", Pond Fork & Bald Knob Railroad Co. 3. The PF&BK was a West Virginia shortline built circa 1926, which almost immediately became the C&O's Pond Fork branch. So what was this car for? Obviously with a link-and-pin coupler and no air brakes (the rather pathetic manual brakes are worked by the crank seen just beyond the coupler) it wasn't an interchange freight car. My conclusion is that this isn't a boxcar at all, but more likely a baggage trailer for a small self-propelled motor car, something like a Mack Model-B railbus.


The similarity to double-door box vans owned by the English narrow-gauge Lynton & Barnstable was not lost on me.  😉

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 9:02 AM David via groups.io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
After taking a break for a year or so, some early-1940s AC&F builder's
photos have been added to the Flickr page, including several USG-A
4-course tanks.

SHPX 17520:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619124151/in/album-72157649155982802/

USQX 11200 :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49619388297/in/album-72157649155982802/

NdeM 45305:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618608328/in/album-72157649155982802/

David Thompson




Re: GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, Don, having visited the quarry, I knew it was marble, but my fingers typed granite anyway.  When I was a kid, the family used to go to Lake George every summer and the marble quarries were a day trip from there.  I took some little tiny blocks and when I got home, glued them to my flat car, probably a Varney from the cereal box train.  Yikes, that’s ~60 years ago!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 2:58 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] GCSX Flat Car [was Barriger Library AC&F Photos]

 

Hold on Schuyler!  I did not say granite on Rutland flat cars. The proper load is MARBLE!  The west

side of the Green Mountains in Vermont , in other words Rutland territory, is primarily dolomitic rock

or slate further west along the New York border and Lake Champlain. In the main stem of the Green

Mountains and on their eastern slopes is where the granite is found along with copper, though the 

latter is no longer mined. For Vermont granite loading I'm going to suggest either Barre & Chelsea flat 

cars of the #700 to #749 group, the decks of which were 42 ft., 1 in in length and 9 ft. 2 in. wide, or you 

could use Boston & Main flat cars from the #33501 to #33796 group that with decks of the same 

dimensions. 

 

Hard to believe but by the time the Connecticut & Passumpsic Rivers RR was completed from White

River Jct. to Newport, VT, together with is subsidiary the Massawippi Valley Railroad from Newport to

Lennoxville, PQ with trackage rights into Sherbrooke, PQ, by the early 1870's copper was being mined

at three points between White River and Lennoxville with all of this trackage becoming Boston & Maine

territory by the 1890's. These were Pompanoosic, and Ely in Vermont and Capleton, PQ with ample 

evidence of it's loading still present at the 1st and 3rd location. they having lasted the longest. That 

said I believe the concentrated ore that was shipped from all three points was always bagged and

shipped in box cars as I have been told it was from Pompanoosic where it was still being loaded and 

shipped in bags until the Elizabeth Mine closed in 1958. So there's and interesting commodity from 

this region shipped by rain but nit in a way that makes it such and interesting load as marble or 

granite chained on a flat car.

 

 


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tony,

You are so right about archivists and cutlines. The sad thing is that if you write them to correct something like this, your input is usually ignored. Perhaps understandable, since most museums and archives are understaffed and underfunded, but it is their mission to preserve and present information correctly.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:58 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
Bob Chaparro wrote:

Photo: PRR BoxcarA photo for the Illinois Digital Archives:

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16614coll41/id/23/rec/363

Description: "Photo of an XM type boxcar, an American Railroad Administration model that was used as the basis for the second type of Pullman troop transport."

      As is very often true, museums and archives really have no idea what they are talking about (the caption may well have been written by an intern or volunteer). It's obviously a USRA box car and no doubt the many PRR-kknowledgeable folks on this list will have a LOT to say <g>.

Tony Thompson




Re: Help with decals

Jim Betz
 

  I use straight distilled water when first applying decals.  I wick off extra
water and then let it settle down.  Sometimes but not often I have to go
back and do a 2nd application of water.
  After the water I use straight Solvaset, again wicking it off using
small rectangles of tissue that I hold in tweezers and touch the
corners 'near' the decal.  Then I let the Solvaset dry - pretty much
until it has no wet look (about 30 minutes max).
  I keep applying Solvaset (and wicking and let dry) until the
decal is fully down - usually takes only 2 or 3 times.
  Before the last Solvaset application I use a sharp straight pin -
the kind with a round ball of plastic on them - and tap, tap, tap
everywhere and especially where there is any silvering.  This
lets the last application of Solvaset penetrate/get under the
decal and when you do this all of the bubbles, silvering, any
places where it isn't really and truly down all settle down to 
the surface - including ribs, valleys, details, etc.
  I let that final time dry fully (half a day or more) and then I
check to see that it is "ready for the next stage".

  If you are careful you can work a different side of the model
while the previous side is drying and so the work tends to go
just about as fast as you can do it.
  I can't work on decals with an Optivisor any more - so it is
also important to take breaks to relieve the eyes and tension
in the back.

  These are my methods.  YMMV.
                                                                              - Jim