Re: P2k "Time Saver" kits
Todd Sullivan
Hi Dennis,
To answer your question with one kit as an example ... I just received a P2K ATSF Fe-24 50ft auto boxcar kit that is a Time-Saver kit. The main parts are the body shell and floor / underframe. The body has the running board and laterals with handgrabs attached to the roof, and the handbrake equipment attached to the B end. The floor / underframe has the center sill molding and brake system assembled together. The separate part sprues for the modeler to work with are for the doors, side and end ladders and handgrabs, corner stirrup steps, tack boards, draft gear boxes and couplers and the trucks. I hope that gives you an idea. I think I bought a Mather boxcar kit that was also a Time-Saver quite a while ago, and it had a similar level of assembly to the ATSF kit. IIRC, Life Like also had some tank car kits as Time-Saver kits. Todd Sullivan
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Re: Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?
Steve SANDIFER
If a standard flat car is about 9’ wide, then the boilers in the prototype photo are smaller boilers. They are more like 6’ wide.
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:15 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?
Weight Of An Industrial Boiler? I have an HO scale Birchfield industrial fire tube boiler to use as a flat car or gondola load. It is a 3D printed model: This is a very large boiler. It scales out at roughly 18 feet long, 13 feet high and 8 feet wide. This photo shows as many as two of these large boilers and two smaller ones on a fifty-ton flat car: http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1807 Out of curiosity, what would one of these larger boilers weight? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Steve SANDIFER
Standard procedure at freight houses.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:05 PM To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Hi List Members,
At some industries, boxcars can be lined up on two tracks such that the far car is accessed by walking thru the near car and then across a steel plate serving as a bridge to get to the far car.
This can be seen nicely in he image below...
More information can be found at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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P2k "Time Saver" kits
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
I have a bunch of Proto 2000 models that have become surplus to my needs, that are going on e-Bay this weekend. Some are fully assembled, some are kits, and some are Time-Saver kits. I seem to recall that the later were partially assembled, but what was assembled? Can someone refresh my memory as to how much assembly was done, please?
Dennis (e-Bay seller model-men) Storzek
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Re: early CBQ cars
Rupert Gamlen
Claus
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On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Friday, 24 April 2020 11:19 am To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] early CBQ cars
Hi List Members,
Nice image of early CBQ cars...
More information can be found at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Andy Miller
There is an interesting feature about this. Unlike box cars which had sliding doors, Reefers had double leaf swing doors needed to seal the car air tight. That is why the doors were only 4’ wide. (well the SFRD were 5’) Any wider and they could not be loaded or unloaded on parallel tracks. One of the great developments of WWII was the forklift truck. It soon became the preferred way to unload box cars, but most forklifts would not fit though a 4’ door! That’s why plug doors rapidly became standard on reefers after the war.
For the longest time no one made a 40’ plug door, iced reefer in HO. So I kitbashed them. After I did about a dozen, Accurail came out with theirs – the story of my model RRing life.
Regards,
Andy Miller
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 8:03 PM To: main@realstmfc.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Los Angles Produce Terminal arrangement, but their 12 tracks were at an angle. Reefers could be unloaded 3 at a time using bridge plates between far 2. There was always one against a dock, 36 cars could be unloaded at the same time. Andy Jackson Santa Fe Springs CA
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Richard McQuade
I spent 2 summers in the big CPR freight sheds in Lambton Yard in Toronto. The bridge plates were used on a lot of the cars. The shed was long and cars were always beside each other on adjacent tracks because some destinations like Montreal Pool and Montreal Eaton's would load 2 or more cars with the outside car loaded first then the inside car because there was a lot of freight going there every day without exception. I seem to recall that they were at the west end of the shed where the switch lead was because it made more sense to have them at that end then to have them buried up against the track bumpers at the far (east) end of the freight shed. There were two shifts - "graveyard" (1130pm-8am) and day shift (8am-4:30pm). All cars had to be closed at the end of the day shift so that they could be shunted between 4:30-11:30pm. Some cars wouldn't be fully loaded but had to have bulkheads nailed inside to keep the load from shifting while the yard crew banged them around. If a car was loaded it was sealed at the end of the shift but semi-loaded cars just had their doors closed and latched. On a model railroad a large freight shed could keep a crew busy for a whole shift because loaded cars needed to be switched out and replaced with empty cars and semi-loaded cars had to be moved then brought back to their proper loading docks. That meant that not all cars on the inside track (closest to the shed) would be dragged out and sent away but that some would be and replaced with empties and some wouldn't be. Inbound freight to Toronto went to the King St. freight shed downtown. After those cars were unloaded and yarded they were sent up to us to be loaded. We didn't unload boxcars at Lambton, only loaded them from trucks that brought the freight to the shed.
Richard
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Re: Weathering powder binder
Aley, Jeff A
Rumor is that it’s makeup – same stuff that is used in cosmetics. What that stuff is, is an off-topic exercise for the reader 😊
Regards,
-Jeff
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On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:18 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Weathering powder binder
Do you have any idea what Bragdon's adhesive might be? Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- My understanding is that Bragdon’s has an adhesive mixed in which is activated by pressure. Rubbing the powder generates the required pressure.
To my knowledge no other weathering powders have any kind of binder or adhesive.
Doug Harding
From:
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On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Can anyone tell me what the binder is in weathering powders? What is the substance that makes the powders stick when rubbed? Onto a steam era freight car. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
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Re: Photo: WP Boxcar 20807
Tony Thompson
Bob Chaparro wrote:
Ah, yes, the famous silver "feather" cars. There must be several thousand models in existence for every car that was on the prototype. Tony Thompson
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Los Angles Produce Terminal arrangement, but their 12 tracks were at an angle. Reefers could be unloaded 3 at a time using bridge plates between far 2. There was always one against a dock, 36 cars could be unloaded at the same time. Andy Jackson Santa Fe Springs CA
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Re: former VGN cars?
gary laakso
More likely C&IM gondolas that were akin to the VGN types.
Gary Laakso Northwest of Mike Brock
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:09 PM To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] former VGN cars?
Hi List Members,
Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.
More information can be found at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: former VGN cars?
Judging by the appearance of those cars and the date of the picture, they could very well be Virginian “battleship gons” that were sold by the railroad and used as storage bins or scrapped. The railroad was decreasing the number of those cars in active service throughout the 1950s, and only a comparative few were left at the time of the merger with N&W. I believe the N&W got rid of the ones left within about 18 months.
C&IM had some similar looking cars, but they were 70 ton cars on 4 wheel trucks, IIRC. Frank Bongiovanni
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Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023
Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023 A 1940 builder's photo from the Illinois Digital Archives: http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19536/rec/72 Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Photo: WP Boxcar 20807
Photos: WP Boxcar 20807 1951 builder's photos from the Illinois Digital Archives: http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/21885/rec/170 There is an additional photo referenced to the right of the photo box. Silver car with "Rides Like A Feather" logo. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: former VGN cars?
Didn’t C&IM have some battleship gons?
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early CBQ cars
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Nice image of early CBQ cars...
More information can be found at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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Re: Weathering powder binder
Richard Townsend
Do you have any idea what Bragdon's adhesive might be? Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Harding <iowacentralrr@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2020 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Weathering powder binder My understanding is that Bragdon’s has an adhesive mixed in which is activated by pressure. Rubbing the powder generates the required pressure.
To my knowledge no other weathering powders have any kind of binder or adhesive.
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Townsend via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:06 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Weathering powder binder Can anyone tell me what the binder is in weathering powders? What is the substance that makes the powders stick when rubbed? Onto a steam era freight car.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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Weight Of An Industrial Boiler?
Weight Of An Industrial Boiler? I have an HO scale Birchfield industrial fire tube boiler to use as a flat car or gondola load. It is a 3D printed model: This is a very large boiler. It scales out at roughly 18 feet long, 13 feet high and 8 feet wide. This photo shows as many as two of these large boilers and two smaller ones on a fifty-ton flat car: http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/15644/rec/1807 Out of curiosity, what would one of these larger boilers weight? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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former VGN cars?
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Are the six axle gons former VGN cars? If so, they are far from home.
More information can be found at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
At some industries, boxcars can be lined up on two tracks such that the far
car is accessed by walking thru the near car and then across a steel plate
serving as a bridge to get to the far car.
This can be seen nicely in he image below...
More information can be found at the link below...
Enjoy!
Claus Schlund
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